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According to the ADAC website (see ADAC-Hubschrauber-Flotte), the ADAC fleet consists of 21 EC-135s.
I however would tend to agree with the numbers that "skadi" gave above, i.e. 3 T1, 6 P1 and 15 P2. Now it should be noted that one of the mentioned 15 EC-135 P2s (D-HDCL) belongs to a sister company of the ADAC, called Elbe Helicopter and is based in Bautzen as a backup machine for Elbe Helicopter's BK-117.
I however would tend to agree with the numbers that "skadi" gave above, i.e. 3 T1, 6 P1 and 15 P2. Now it should be noted that one of the mentioned 15 EC-135 P2s (D-HDCL) belongs to a sister company of the ADAC, called Elbe Helicopter and is based in Bautzen as a backup machine for Elbe Helicopter's BK-117.
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I know that they still use a BO-105 on a full-time basis as "Christoph 33" in Senftenberg. Other than that, the one or two remaining BO-105s in the ADAC fleet serve more as backup machines.
The BMI (Bundesinnenministerium) and the DRF still have quite a number of BO-105s in use as HEMS machines (see EMS Helicopters in Germany). In general though, the BO-105 is slowly but surely being phased out, due to the more stringent JAR-OPS 3 requirements, which will be implemented in Germany by the end of 2009.
The BMI (Bundesinnenministerium) and the DRF still have quite a number of BO-105s in use as HEMS machines (see EMS Helicopters in Germany). In general though, the BO-105 is slowly but surely being phased out, due to the more stringent JAR-OPS 3 requirements, which will be implemented in Germany by the end of 2009.
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As was mentioned in a similar thread about the EC-135 not too long ago (see
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ighlight=ec135), the ADAC Luftrettung GmbH in Germany has a mixed fleet of EC-135Ts and EC-135Ps.
Maybe they or possibly Air Lloyd Luftfahrt Technik GmbH, who do most of the maintenance work for the ADAC helicopters, could give you some comparison information on what the pros and cons of the two different engine types are.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ighlight=ec135), the ADAC Luftrettung GmbH in Germany has a mixed fleet of EC-135Ts and EC-135Ps.
Maybe they or possibly Air Lloyd Luftfahrt Technik GmbH, who do most of the maintenance work for the ADAC helicopters, could give you some comparison information on what the pros and cons of the two different engine types are.
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German Army Air Corps School in Bückeburg clocks up 30,000 training hours on the EC135
Marignane/Bückeburg, September 8, 2006
The German Army’s EC135 training helicopter fleet at the German Army Air Corps School in Bückeburg reached the 30,000-hour mark at the end of August 2006. The German Army has been operating 14 EC135 state-of-the-art training helicopters since 2000 and relies on a customer maintenance and service contract with Eurocopter Deutschland GmbH to ensure smooth operation. These helicopters are used for advanced flight training for all parts of the German military.
Between six and eight courses for budding pilots in the German Army, Air Force and Navy take place in Bückeburg each year. After completing their initial training in a BO105, the trainee pilots then learn to fly in the most demanding conditions including day and night flight, low-level flight, flying in mountainous regions and under IFR flight conditions.
The training the pilots receive using state-of-the-art flight controls and cockpit systems architecture equips them with the skills they subsequently apply when flying the CH53G, UH- 1D, MK41, MK88 helicopters as well as the newest weapons systems, the NH90 and Tiger helicopters.
The innovative training concept relies, not least due to capacity and cost constraints, on high-tech EC135 simulators as well as the EC135 itself, with pilots gaining up to 60% of the required flying time in the Bückeburg simulator center. These simulators are also operated under a cooperative agreement.
With this training concept, Eurocopter is the first full system support provider in the history of the German Army. This maintenance and support concept offers a combination of a flexible personnel structure, high availability and reduced operating costs, which allow us to react to changes in the customer’s training mission requirements rapidly and reliably.
This means that Eurocopter provides full support around the clock for 14 helicopters –including pre-flight checks, refueling, debriefing and all scheduled maintenance, repairs and the full range of support for training flights, such as mountain flight training in Austria and France. The back-to-base support for the helicopters is provided at Eurocopter’s maintenance center in Kassel-Calden, which is distinguished by its wealth of experience in providing maintenance support to international military and civil aviation organizations.
"According to our contract, we always have 12 helicopters ready to fly during the day and six at night. This allows us to operate a two-shift system with 13 highly qualified staff, which reliably provides the army with between 5,500 and 6,000 flying hours per year at present", says Ralph Kohlstädt, who is the Maintenance Manager responsible for the Eurocopter Line Station in Bückeburg, about the service provided by the Eurocopter team.
"As customers, we are able to concentrate on our core business and expertise, of giving optimum flight training to young pilots, working in a concentrated and cost-effective way by leaving the job of ensuring that our EC135 training fleet is always ready to fly to Eurocopter", explains Lieutenant Colonel Runge, Flight Director at the Army Air Corps School, about the benefits of the Public Private Partnership between the army and the helicopter manufacturer.
Marignane/Bückeburg, September 8, 2006
The German Army’s EC135 training helicopter fleet at the German Army Air Corps School in Bückeburg reached the 30,000-hour mark at the end of August 2006. The German Army has been operating 14 EC135 state-of-the-art training helicopters since 2000 and relies on a customer maintenance and service contract with Eurocopter Deutschland GmbH to ensure smooth operation. These helicopters are used for advanced flight training for all parts of the German military.
Between six and eight courses for budding pilots in the German Army, Air Force and Navy take place in Bückeburg each year. After completing their initial training in a BO105, the trainee pilots then learn to fly in the most demanding conditions including day and night flight, low-level flight, flying in mountainous regions and under IFR flight conditions.
The training the pilots receive using state-of-the-art flight controls and cockpit systems architecture equips them with the skills they subsequently apply when flying the CH53G, UH- 1D, MK41, MK88 helicopters as well as the newest weapons systems, the NH90 and Tiger helicopters.
The innovative training concept relies, not least due to capacity and cost constraints, on high-tech EC135 simulators as well as the EC135 itself, with pilots gaining up to 60% of the required flying time in the Bückeburg simulator center. These simulators are also operated under a cooperative agreement.
With this training concept, Eurocopter is the first full system support provider in the history of the German Army. This maintenance and support concept offers a combination of a flexible personnel structure, high availability and reduced operating costs, which allow us to react to changes in the customer’s training mission requirements rapidly and reliably.
This means that Eurocopter provides full support around the clock for 14 helicopters –including pre-flight checks, refueling, debriefing and all scheduled maintenance, repairs and the full range of support for training flights, such as mountain flight training in Austria and France. The back-to-base support for the helicopters is provided at Eurocopter’s maintenance center in Kassel-Calden, which is distinguished by its wealth of experience in providing maintenance support to international military and civil aviation organizations.
"According to our contract, we always have 12 helicopters ready to fly during the day and six at night. This allows us to operate a two-shift system with 13 highly qualified staff, which reliably provides the army with between 5,500 and 6,000 flying hours per year at present", says Ralph Kohlstädt, who is the Maintenance Manager responsible for the Eurocopter Line Station in Bückeburg, about the service provided by the Eurocopter team.
"As customers, we are able to concentrate on our core business and expertise, of giving optimum flight training to young pilots, working in a concentrated and cost-effective way by leaving the job of ensuring that our EC135 training fleet is always ready to fly to Eurocopter", explains Lieutenant Colonel Runge, Flight Director at the Army Air Corps School, about the benefits of the Public Private Partnership between the army and the helicopter manufacturer.
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EC135 Main Transmission issues
Have heard a few tales around of EC135 Main Transmission issues :-
Blocked and bypassed filters
Strange grainy black material in the filter
Water ingress
Anybody out there had any of these problems - please feel free to post!
Would like to know so I can avoid them!
Blocked and bypassed filters
Strange grainy black material in the filter
Water ingress
Anybody out there had any of these problems - please feel free to post!
Would like to know so I can avoid them!
EC 135 2910 MTOW Retrofit
SB EC135-71-033 Retrofit to EC135 T2+ or P2+
Prerequisites -
Titanium torque struts
L623M1003 109 Mast with Euro 4 or 5 MMI (i.e. the painted one with integral scissor lugs)
MGB S/N 0301 or higher
Transmax Lube Oil in MGB
Modified X-Y fittings ( if AC SN higher than 445 you already have them)
Must have ADC
Must have correct FADEC Software version - if you already have CAT A your OK
Various other smaller mods are required depending on your aircraft and mod status - the ones above are the big ones.
The VEMD and CAD software is changed and the CAT A switch is now called HIGH NR.
Life limits are reduced on a range of components - Mast now lifed etc.
Power increase -
AEO MCP - no change
AEO TOP - now 2 x 78 was 75
AEO Transient - now 2 x 82 was 80
OEI MCP - now 1 x 89.5 was 86
HIGH NR -
Previously CAT A was selected ON below 55 KIAS. With HIGH NR system it is virtually the same except when selected, the data from the ADC will select HIGH NR OFF above 55 KIAS.
Prerequisites -
Titanium torque struts
L623M1003 109 Mast with Euro 4 or 5 MMI (i.e. the painted one with integral scissor lugs)
MGB S/N 0301 or higher
Transmax Lube Oil in MGB
Modified X-Y fittings ( if AC SN higher than 445 you already have them)
Must have ADC
Must have correct FADEC Software version - if you already have CAT A your OK
Various other smaller mods are required depending on your aircraft and mod status - the ones above are the big ones.
The VEMD and CAD software is changed and the CAT A switch is now called HIGH NR.
Life limits are reduced on a range of components - Mast now lifed etc.
Power increase -
AEO MCP - no change
AEO TOP - now 2 x 78 was 75
AEO Transient - now 2 x 82 was 80
OEI MCP - now 1 x 89.5 was 86
HIGH NR -
Previously CAT A was selected ON below 55 KIAS. With HIGH NR system it is virtually the same except when selected, the data from the ADC will select HIGH NR OFF above 55 KIAS.
EC135 high skid
How is the high skid variant of EC135P/T2 protected against wire strike? The low skid has the protection, as i saw it on OAMTC of austria, but how can the high skid variant have the protection mounted?
Are there only two skid heights or is there more?
BTW: The helicopter should be camera and nightsun equiped.
Thak you for your time!
Are there only two skid heights or is there more?
BTW: The helicopter should be camera and nightsun equiped.
Thak you for your time!
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EC135 Wire Strike Protection
To my knowledge, none of the UK McAlpines equipped, high skid, police role 135s (I've flown about half of them) have any wire strike protection. However, my 6 year old son has a Macs poster on his bedroom wall that shows line drawings of low and high skid 135s fitted with wire cutters above and below the cockpit, and the high skid variant had what appear to be extensions on the front of the skids - presumably to deflect wires beneath the aircraft.
Just to give a balanced view: the Police MD902 that I currently fly also has no wire strike protection - although it too could be fitted.
I'm sure McAlpines at Oxford would be able to give you a definitive answer for the 135.
QOS
Just to give a balanced view: the Police MD902 that I currently fly also has no wire strike protection - although it too could be fitted.
I'm sure McAlpines at Oxford would be able to give you a definitive answer for the 135.
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Thanks for replying!
I saw this photo, it has high skid, and the wire protection mounted. It seems to me that low and high skid configuration have no difference in wire cutters.
I can't figure out if these skid wire deflectors allow the camera and night sun to be mounted.
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We are currently in the process of getting a similar step mount faa stc'd for both the 135 and 145. when no cameras or searchlights are installed, the skid tube wire strike guards are installed, with the camera or searchlight installed, they are removed
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Thank you all for the information. BGS or Bundes Polizei (now) are our example, but i couldn't find any photos of combined cutters and equipment, so i guess its either one or the other. We will have to deal with that.
here's a Photo of a EC 135 on High Skids with WSPS , but just the upper part of it.
http://www.copterweb.de/
Thats one of the first new EMS-Helicopters flown by the Bundespolizei
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sirs: feel free to send PM, have lots of jpegs of our mounts which have hardpoints forward and rear, also can carry a variety of cameras (FSI,Wescam, Cineflex) as well.
thanks
dr
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dr
EC135 P2+ vs. P2i
I noticed there are many versions out there, but i couldn't find the differences. For example, what it the difference between P2+ and P2i? I heard some small talk about P2i being upgraded P2+ from P2. Is that correct?
Thank you for any answers that would clear this out for me.
Thank you for any answers that would clear this out for me.
Tightgit
I think that the P2i and the P2+ are the same. The correct name being the P2+
The main difference is an increase in MAUM from 2835kg to 2910kg.
Also the CAT A (now called High NR) facility is partially automated, that is to say that with the High NR mode on, the NR will decrease when airspeed passes 55Kt on the way up and increase when the airspeed passes 55-50Kt on the way down (up and down in this context meaning accelleration rather than climb!)
The main difference is an increase in MAUM from 2835kg to 2910kg.
Also the CAT A (now called High NR) facility is partially automated, that is to say that with the High NR mode on, the NR will decrease when airspeed passes 55Kt on the way up and increase when the airspeed passes 55-50Kt on the way down (up and down in this context meaning accelleration rather than climb!)