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Old 5th Jun 2008, 21:40
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R44 Exhaust tail pipe SD

Having just had a 50hr service, the tail pipe extension was removed as one rivet was missing - in accordance with a recent SD. No other action is required. It begs the question, what was the 3" extension for in the first place? Any ideas??
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Old 6th Jun 2008, 00:38
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I think it is to help duct some of the heat further away from the back of the aircraft.
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Old 15th Jun 2008, 12:13
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Starting a Astro 44

Further to the thread about R44 starter motors, anyone got some good advice or tips on starting an Astro, First start of the day on a cold morning 6 degrees & then later trying to start when the engine is still hot!
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 12:50
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P1 Lh Seat?

I have not had a chance to look into this myself yet, or even consult the manual, but in case anyone knows off the top; Is it legal to fly P1 from the LH seat in an R44?
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 13:04
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Yes, as an instructor you would occupy the left seat. As long as you are rated on type, it doesn't matter what (front) seat you sit in.
 
Old 19th Jun 2008, 13:18
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According to the EASA type certificate:

16. Minimum Flight Crew: 1 pilot in forward right seat

So if you're the only pilot on board, it's right seat only.
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 14:05
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As far as I know no Robinson is to be flown with the right (front) seat empty and steering from left only as FI
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 19:32
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Yes, as an instructor you would occupy the left seat.
True!

As long as you are rated on type, it doesn't matter what (front) seat you sit in.
False. Depends on the occupant of the other seat. If there isn't one, then no!!

Cheers

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Old 20th Jun 2008, 21:20
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POH for R44 states:

Section 2
Limitations

Solo flight from right seat only

Hence your suggestion is ilegal and (I think) uninsured in case of accident.
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Old 21st Jun 2008, 13:04
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My first 3 hours on the R22 were in 20+kt winds under instruction
Do you mind if I ask a harmless question?
did yer instructer ever get a chance to, a) read or b) allow you to demonstrate to him that you had read, THE flight manual??

Especiallly in light of this little gem, as follows;

Many years ago as a student pilot I vividly recall flying solo in a R22 with 35kts of gusty and bumpy wind.
How many years ago may I ask, before the relevant bits about wind limitations were put in the Flight manual?

So that puts you as learning pre early eighties I guess.?
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Old 21st Jun 2008, 20:03
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As others have said, as long as there's a body in the right hand seat, then P1 can be in the left hand seat or actually be the body in the right hand seat.

However, unless you've flown (hands on) a few hours from the left hand side, I'd suggest the RHS body would better be a licensed individual. There may be nohing wrong insurance wise, but note two things. One - the references for flight, the scan, the hand swapping required and all the rest are different than sitting in the RHS. Two - the controls in the RHS aren't removable, so an unlicensed passenger in the RHS with a licensed pilot in the RHS may cause the school or the insurance company a few problems.

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Old 21st Jun 2008, 20:35
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Originally Posted by topendtorque
How many years ago may I ask, before the relevant bits about wind limitations were put in the Flight manual?

So that puts you as learning pre early eighties I guess.?
I believe the wind limitations in the POH are from 1995
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Old 21st Jun 2008, 22:06
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I believe the wind limitations in the POH are from 1995
damm
I must be younger than I think I am
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 09:46
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P1 Seat

Looked into this the other day. . .

Only an instructor can fly P1 from the left seat and only as part of a 'training flight' from licenced airfield to licenced airfield.

Any other flights, including and especially 'corporate flying' (eg. pax owns machine) P1 must be flown from the right seat.



It is possible to fly solo from left seat in a 22 & 44 but it's not legal.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 10:27
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Weight and balance

Also the fuel tank is bigger on the left hand side
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 12:24
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R44 Tyre pressure

Anyone know what pressure the ground handling wheels should be at?
Thanks, RB
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 20:54
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"what was the 3" extension for in the first place? Any ideas??"

For those who missed this - it is a enquiry about the exhaust on a 44. The reason for the extension was cosmetic - early 44s got a lot of exhaust debris sticking to the rear panel by the tailpipe.

The extension reduced this by putting the outlet further away from the low pressure area.

But there MAY have been another reason - changing the exhaust frequency because there had been cracking in some early Raven II exhaust systems.

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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 00:32
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We inflate the tyres to 50lb's. Once inflated a wheel to 70lb, and may have been an old one, but when it blew the mechanic hit the floor so quick. Very funny to watch.
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Old 24th Jun 2008, 18:17
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Originally Posted by JimBall
early 44s got a lot of exhaust debris sticking to the rear panel by the tailpipe.
Even more than the new ones (ie. 2008 Raven II) ????
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Old 26th Jun 2008, 18:37
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R44 Raven II TEMPORARY safety alert

Anyone else got the email from Robinson.
apparently due to vapour lock flight is now forbidden (until further notice!!!) in ambient temperatures greater than 41C or 105F.

That nails most deliveries of new ships I guess, as the only route you are 'allowed' to fly out of the factory is over the high desert (I 10), last week in the high desert ferrying a new R22 it was close to 45c at 4,000 ft (v warm with the doors on I might add).

Will watch this one carefully, we operate a Raven II in Florida and Vapour Lock is sometimes observed on start up.
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