Robinson R44
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From: East Dulwich, London
R44 Exhaust tail pipe SD
Having just had a 50hr service, the tail pipe extension was removed as one rivet was missing - in accordance with a recent SD. No other action is required. It begs the question, what was the 3" extension for in the first place? Any ideas??
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From: australia
Starting a Astro 44
Further to the thread about R44 starter motors, anyone got some good advice or tips on starting an Astro, First start of the day on a cold morning 6 degrees & then later trying to start when the engine is still hot!
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From: Derby
According to the EASA type certificate:
16. Minimum Flight Crew: 1 pilot in forward right seat
So if you're the only pilot on board, it's right seat only.
16. Minimum Flight Crew: 1 pilot in forward right seat
So if you're the only pilot on board, it's right seat only.
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
Yes, as an instructor you would occupy the left seat.
As long as you are rated on type, it doesn't matter what (front) seat you sit in.
Cheers
Whirls
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From: Australia
My first 3 hours on the R22 were in 20+kt winds under instruction
did yer instructer ever get a chance to, a) read or b) allow you to demonstrate to him that you had read, THE flight manual??
Especiallly in light of this little gem, as follows;
Many years ago as a student pilot I vividly recall flying solo in a R22 with 35kts of gusty and bumpy wind.
So that puts you as learning pre early eighties I guess.?
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From: Pewsey, UK
As others have said, as long as there's a body in the right hand seat, then P1 can be in the left hand seat or actually be the body in the right hand seat.
However, unless you've flown (hands on) a few hours from the left hand side, I'd suggest the RHS body would better be a licensed individual. There may be nohing wrong insurance wise, but note two things. One - the references for flight, the scan, the hand swapping required and all the rest are different than sitting in the RHS. Two - the controls in the RHS aren't removable, so an unlicensed passenger in the RHS with a licensed pilot in the RHS may cause the school or the insurance company a few problems.
However, unless you've flown (hands on) a few hours from the left hand side, I'd suggest the RHS body would better be a licensed individual. There may be nohing wrong insurance wise, but note two things. One - the references for flight, the scan, the hand swapping required and all the rest are different than sitting in the RHS. Two - the controls in the RHS aren't removable, so an unlicensed passenger in the RHS with a licensed pilot in the RHS may cause the school or the insurance company a few problems.
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From: airport
Originally Posted by topendtorque
How many years ago may I ask, before the relevant bits about wind limitations were put in the Flight manual?
So that puts you as learning pre early eighties I guess.?
So that puts you as learning pre early eighties I guess.?
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From: England
P1 Seat
Looked into this the other day. . .
Only an instructor can fly P1 from the left seat and only as part of a 'training flight' from licenced airfield to licenced airfield.
Any other flights, including and especially 'corporate flying' (eg. pax owns machine) P1 must be flown from the right seat.
It is possible to fly solo from left seat in a 22 & 44 but it's not legal.
Only an instructor can fly P1 from the left seat and only as part of a 'training flight' from licenced airfield to licenced airfield.
Any other flights, including and especially 'corporate flying' (eg. pax owns machine) P1 must be flown from the right seat.
It is possible to fly solo from left seat in a 22 & 44 but it's not legal.
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From: UK
"what was the 3" extension for in the first place? Any ideas??"
For those who missed this - it is a enquiry about the exhaust on a 44. The reason for the extension was cosmetic - early 44s got a lot of exhaust debris sticking to the rear panel by the tailpipe.
The extension reduced this by putting the outlet further away from the low pressure area.
But there MAY have been another reason - changing the exhaust frequency because there had been cracking in some early Raven II exhaust systems.
For those who missed this - it is a enquiry about the exhaust on a 44. The reason for the extension was cosmetic - early 44s got a lot of exhaust debris sticking to the rear panel by the tailpipe.
The extension reduced this by putting the outlet further away from the low pressure area.
But there MAY have been another reason - changing the exhaust frequency because there had been cracking in some early Raven II exhaust systems.
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From: South Florida
R44 Raven II TEMPORARY safety alert
Anyone else got the email from Robinson.
apparently due to vapour lock flight is now forbidden (until further notice!!!) in ambient temperatures greater than 41C or 105F.
That nails most deliveries of new ships I guess, as the only route you are 'allowed' to fly out of the factory is over the high desert (I 10), last week in the high desert ferrying a new R22 it was close to 45c at 4,000 ft (v warm with the doors on I might add).
Will watch this one carefully, we operate a Raven II in Florida and Vapour Lock is sometimes observed on start up.
apparently due to vapour lock flight is now forbidden (until further notice!!!) in ambient temperatures greater than 41C or 105F.
That nails most deliveries of new ships I guess, as the only route you are 'allowed' to fly out of the factory is over the high desert (I 10), last week in the high desert ferrying a new R22 it was close to 45c at 4,000 ft (v warm with the doors on I might add).
Will watch this one carefully, we operate a Raven II in Florida and Vapour Lock is sometimes observed on start up.