Training, hours building and first job prospects in America
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Tomlinson Aviation - first rate smaller school/commercial operation. They have a 300C/IFR, 300CBi/IFR, two 300CBs, and a 206B3. Totally different experience than HAI, depends on your needs/preferences.
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What of HAI?
Any bad or good stories?
They look rather large and I went and saw them for a few hrs & looked professional and sincere?
good links in the industry help students?
I too am still looking around for the right school for me and seems like there is several other almost students lurking around here.
Maybe we could pass on some info and aid each others search.
Its a heap of cash to invest in your future & really want to get it right.
Experienced pilots advise is REALLY appreciated and former students too.
For many like myself its a matter of which country/school to learn in, and although many pilots learn in the place they are living or closest to which is fine but when someone is able to travel over seas to gain a license & wanting to travel & work , its a really hard decision to make when there are so many options and paths to take.
I wish there was some sort of International pilots Carrer adviser that can help students find the answers that will get them on the best track to their career path.
For Example
Dear career guidance councilor,
I am an Australian & I would like to have the ability to fly in many countries and am ( single no kids ) and would like to end up either flying for a police service or emergency service and would also love to teach to get there , I have good people skills and would also like to do some tourism work to build hrs , will consider all most anything but WONT fly for free to build hrs.
Would like to do heli skiing operations or something of the nature or something near the surf as I am into kitesurfing & love the beach.
I have mining experience and know how to rough it so I dont mind working in the bush or doing oil rig or remote operations.
Basically I just want to fly my ass off, be the best damn helicopter pilot I possibly can be and have fun getting there.
I want to learn in a 300 type helicopter so that helps narrow down the schools .....kind of.
The questions that comes up , what country to commence the training in that will best help me get into the industry I want.
How to go about this ?
At the end of the day as long as I am flying and able to live I will be happy.
I am not sure if I have said the right things but I know from speaking to other almost students that these are the sorts of things that we keep kicking around and not overly getting enough information back.
We are not looking to hear bitching sessions of flight schools from other flight schools just some good and bad experiences,and career advise.
Maybe there is no right answer to all of our questions but it has to be clearer than what it seems.
Maybe its a matter of not asking the right people........
Although I have tried the schools to a point , it seems like most schools say that they are the right choice and in that country but that cannot be the case truthfully, yes I know that you want my money and believe me I want to hand t over , I just want to know that I am giving myself the very best start I possibly can knowing a much as I can,basically being armed with all the info I can obtain.
There must be pilots that have done something like I am looking to do and did it sucessfully.....just how to find those pilots?
How to contact pilots that are flying the sort of flying I want to do
Sometimes its not so much the right choice as the best choice?
Other almost students , what do you think?
Helofan.
Also my appologies for highjacking the thread a little.
Any bad or good stories?
They look rather large and I went and saw them for a few hrs & looked professional and sincere?
good links in the industry help students?
I too am still looking around for the right school for me and seems like there is several other almost students lurking around here.
Maybe we could pass on some info and aid each others search.
Its a heap of cash to invest in your future & really want to get it right.
Experienced pilots advise is REALLY appreciated and former students too.
For many like myself its a matter of which country/school to learn in, and although many pilots learn in the place they are living or closest to which is fine but when someone is able to travel over seas to gain a license & wanting to travel & work , its a really hard decision to make when there are so many options and paths to take.
I wish there was some sort of International pilots Carrer adviser that can help students find the answers that will get them on the best track to their career path.
For Example
Dear career guidance councilor,
I am an Australian & I would like to have the ability to fly in many countries and am ( single no kids ) and would like to end up either flying for a police service or emergency service and would also love to teach to get there , I have good people skills and would also like to do some tourism work to build hrs , will consider all most anything but WONT fly for free to build hrs.
Would like to do heli skiing operations or something of the nature or something near the surf as I am into kitesurfing & love the beach.
I have mining experience and know how to rough it so I dont mind working in the bush or doing oil rig or remote operations.
Basically I just want to fly my ass off, be the best damn helicopter pilot I possibly can be and have fun getting there.
I want to learn in a 300 type helicopter so that helps narrow down the schools .....kind of.
The questions that comes up , what country to commence the training in that will best help me get into the industry I want.
How to go about this ?
At the end of the day as long as I am flying and able to live I will be happy.
I am not sure if I have said the right things but I know from speaking to other almost students that these are the sorts of things that we keep kicking around and not overly getting enough information back.
We are not looking to hear bitching sessions of flight schools from other flight schools just some good and bad experiences,and career advise.
Maybe there is no right answer to all of our questions but it has to be clearer than what it seems.
Maybe its a matter of not asking the right people........
Although I have tried the schools to a point , it seems like most schools say that they are the right choice and in that country but that cannot be the case truthfully, yes I know that you want my money and believe me I want to hand t over , I just want to know that I am giving myself the very best start I possibly can knowing a much as I can,basically being armed with all the info I can obtain.
There must be pilots that have done something like I am looking to do and did it sucessfully.....just how to find those pilots?
How to contact pilots that are flying the sort of flying I want to do
Sometimes its not so much the right choice as the best choice?
Other almost students , what do you think?
Helofan.
Also my appologies for highjacking the thread a little.
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No question about it, choosing a location gets very tough when you have the (unusual) option of numerous countries and schools. Especially if you are planning on "only the best" jobs and working locations worldwide.
I submit that a rational, planned program is seldom, if ever, possible. Too many variables in the daily/yearly ebb and flow of school policies & staffing, regulations, and unpredictable employment. To plan a specific course through the maze would require crystal ball capabilities fit to make you a multimillionaire in the stock market!
The bottom line is thus: choose one of those "reputable schools" at random, by throwing a dart at the list, then GO! None of us can predict how it will turn out, but we can all be assured that the end result will be different from what we planned for, serendipitous, and not necessarily directly result from the energy we put into a particular focus.
Decisions are only difficult when the alternatives are of nearly equal value. So rather than agonizing over the choice, flip a coin.
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(at one of the disreputable schools, I guess)
I submit that a rational, planned program is seldom, if ever, possible. Too many variables in the daily/yearly ebb and flow of school policies & staffing, regulations, and unpredictable employment. To plan a specific course through the maze would require crystal ball capabilities fit to make you a multimillionaire in the stock market!
The bottom line is thus: choose one of those "reputable schools" at random, by throwing a dart at the list, then GO! None of us can predict how it will turn out, but we can all be assured that the end result will be different from what we planned for, serendipitous, and not necessarily directly result from the energy we put into a particular focus.
Decisions are only difficult when the alternatives are of nearly equal value. So rather than agonizing over the choice, flip a coin.
Dave
Chief Helicopter Flight Instructor
(at one of the disreputable schools, I guess)
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Ring the reputable schools up - if they're run by English people then go for it - I have found they're so grateful to be out of the UK, then you'll find everything you're looking for. Great attitude, training and that feeling of satisfaction when you walk out the door.....IMHO, of course....
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Yeah the old coin flip has certainly crossed my mind a few times.
It seems like it can be difficult to plan because as you say its a matter of what jobs are available.
I am sure there are going to be jobs that you wouldnt necessarily have as a first choice but I am sure they all have their value, its all experience.
Thank you for your input, taken on board any time.
HF
It seems like it can be difficult to plan because as you say its a matter of what jobs are available.
I am sure there are going to be jobs that you wouldnt necessarily have as a first choice but I am sure they all have their value, its all experience.
Thank you for your input, taken on board any time.
HF
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I see that others have mentioned them but I can add without a doubt Tomlinson Avaition. I had tried to post a remark for anyone wanting some info and advice for Heli school in FL but it was taken off!
Great people, Excellent air craft 300cb & cbi, IFR, tower controlled airfield, definately not your usual cattle market " Pay yer money and takes yer chance " I am a former student of theirs and they did an excellent job!
When i was shopping HAI offered me " MAYBE" chance of training in 6 months!
Hope this helps.
Great people, Excellent air craft 300cb & cbi, IFR, tower controlled airfield, definately not your usual cattle market " Pay yer money and takes yer chance " I am a former student of theirs and they did an excellent job!
When i was shopping HAI offered me " MAYBE" chance of training in 6 months!
Hope this helps.
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Is that because they were busy?
When I went and saw them ( I did not advise them I was coming ) I liked what I saw and wanted to go for a flight because I had the itch & wanted to scratch it LOL.
The couldnt get me a seat because they were just so busy ......thats a good sign as far as I can see.
When I went and saw them ( I did not advise them I was coming ) I liked what I saw and wanted to go for a flight because I had the itch & wanted to scratch it LOL.
The couldnt get me a seat because they were just so busy ......thats a good sign as far as I can see.
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Hi, I live in Scotland and I'm looking into training in America and was wondering if there was anybody older and wiser who'd like to share their experiences with me? I'm looking for HAI graduates in particular, or if you just wanted to bombard me with information about schools, jobs, machines, anything really, then feel free. Thanks.
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If you do a search here, you will find pages of information discussing the schools, the aircraft, the training methods, etc.
One thing to know about training to be a professional (especially at a school like HAI) - the more agressively you pursue the knowledge rather than waiting for it to be given to you, the more sucessful you will be.
One thing to know about training to be a professional (especially at a school like HAI) - the more agressively you pursue the knowledge rather than waiting for it to be given to you, the more sucessful you will be.
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Sterrance : Re. Learning in the States.
I learned to fly in Texas back in the 80's and had a great time. I trained on the H300 but the company now utilises R22/R44/B206 , they are called Helicopter Services and are owned and run by Robin Simpson - one of your countrymen. They are located at David Wayne Hooks airport on the North side of Houston. They have trained loads of folks from the UK , a lot of whom I am still in contact with and also operate charter , pipeline and other commercial work , so there is always the opportunity to pick up some turbine time.
Houston is a great city , also the weather is good (hot/humid in summer). Hooks has a tower and there is controlled airspace to get into around Houston - all good experience.
Contacts: Tel: 001 281 3704354
Website: www.heliserv.com
Email:[email protected]
Give them a call , Robin is one of the good guys and you'll love Texas !! Say hello to Robin for me.
Hope this helps...... Regards , Tony Gilson
I learned to fly in Texas back in the 80's and had a great time. I trained on the H300 but the company now utilises R22/R44/B206 , they are called Helicopter Services and are owned and run by Robin Simpson - one of your countrymen. They are located at David Wayne Hooks airport on the North side of Houston. They have trained loads of folks from the UK , a lot of whom I am still in contact with and also operate charter , pipeline and other commercial work , so there is always the opportunity to pick up some turbine time.
Houston is a great city , also the weather is good (hot/humid in summer). Hooks has a tower and there is controlled airspace to get into around Houston - all good experience.
Contacts: Tel: 001 281 3704354
Website: www.heliserv.com
Email:[email protected]
Give them a call , Robin is one of the good guys and you'll love Texas !! Say hello to Robin for me.
Hope this helps...... Regards , Tony Gilson
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hey sterrance
why dont you havea look at this below, this has all been asked before.
Frequently asked questions: training and job prospects
regards
CF
why dont you havea look at this below, this has all been asked before.
Frequently asked questions: training and job prospects
regards
CF
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Even Newer rule changes...
Just a word of warning to anyone going to train in the US - You now need to do many things to do this -
No training is allowed without a M1 Visa for foreign nationals - you need to make an appointment at the US embassy to do this - it will cost you $100 and £60 on the day, and £1.30 a minute number to arrange the appointment ( another £6 ) You will need to take your passport to get fingerprinted there and also the confirmation form from your FTO.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific..._verification/
You need to also complete the CAA SRG1160 form for £16 to get your license validated. The FAA do not charge for this service at their end. I have to say, that dealing with the FAA and CAA has been very pleasant despite the new rules. This validation lasts for 6 months and has come about due to people flying with piggy-back suspended or revoked licenses. Understandable I suppose.
On top of this, you have to make a TSA training application, another $130 everytime you want to book a course of training in the US.
Make sure you are WELL prepared before venturing off to the States now.
TFS
No training is allowed without a M1 Visa for foreign nationals - you need to make an appointment at the US embassy to do this - it will cost you $100 and £60 on the day, and £1.30 a minute number to arrange the appointment ( another £6 ) You will need to take your passport to get fingerprinted there and also the confirmation form from your FTO.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific..._verification/
You need to also complete the CAA SRG1160 form for £16 to get your license validated. The FAA do not charge for this service at their end. I have to say, that dealing with the FAA and CAA has been very pleasant despite the new rules. This validation lasts for 6 months and has come about due to people flying with piggy-back suspended or revoked licenses. Understandable I suppose.
On top of this, you have to make a TSA training application, another $130 everytime you want to book a course of training in the US.
Make sure you are WELL prepared before venturing off to the States now.
TFS
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Training at HAI - does my thinking make sense?
Hi
I'm looking for some advice as before I make my big step into doing my helicopter CPL.
Before I start though I wanted to say what a great resource, thanks to all of you who regularly post insightful comments and answers. I have spent about 30 hours reading most of the posts on here (before making my first ever posting) and I feel I have a much more rounded view of industry and training as a whole.
Some of my questions I will cover I know have been asked and answered elsewhere. However, previous answers may now be outdated and I wanted some fresh input. Finally, apololgies, I know some of the questions may belong in separate forums but I felt the best advice would come from people on this forum and would not get lost among the airline posts. OK I'll stop waffling.....here goes.
Although I would have liked to have supported Britsh FTO's and appreciate that it is probably better to train where you will fly I am looking a doing a joint FAA/JAA CPL at HAI. This is both for cost reasons, and to get my qualifications ASAP as am turning 30 soon.
1) Does anyone know what the waiting time is to start with HAI?I'm waiting for a response from them but think it could be a while due to Wilma knocking at their door.
2) I have read posts where people showed concern that HAI were becoming slightly under resourced (ratio of students to helis too high) and they were ordering more helis to resolve this. Is this situation now resolved?
3) If hypothetically I came back with 800 hours after 2 years (with circa 600 CFI) would my experience be of interest to a shool in the UK if I was up against a UK trained CFI with minimum hours, or would I be dismissed for not being trained in UK airspace and for mainly teaching the FAA syllabus etc?
4) Any thoughts on whether I should do the JAA CFI course in Florida or the UK?
My thougths are HAI would be cheaper and also the more training I do with them might help me when I start looking for a job as a CFI in US for the remainder of my visa stay when I graduate. With the UK option I would have had some of my training in UK and will start making contact with flight schools and other contacts in the UK where I ultimately want to build a career.
5) From researching the job market and reading posts here, even if I did get 800-1000 hours building as a CFI (on R22s or 300s) I would still need to find 1000-1500 hours on turbine etc before I became more marketable.
Unlike countries like the US where there appear to be more opportunities in tours, logging jobs, traffic watch etc to gain these hours there seem to be a lot fewer opportunities in UK. Am Is the only option to go to the North Sea? Note: I saynoption in the loosest terms as I'm aware that they are not really recruiting at the moment and might also need to self fund an IR.
Are there any other opportunities in the UK I haven't considered? Otherwise, as a Brit with CFI hours is it likely that I could get a visa to somewhere like Canada or Aus and do some low paid turbine work to build the hours for a year? Has anyone got experience of using their CFI hours in these countries to hours build on turbines?
6) Does anyone here who has gone to the states on J1 also been in the same position as me in that I have had a J1 visa before (in fact 2)? I am wondering if this will effect my entitlement for another. I have researched US gov sites but can't find any answers.
7) Am I correct in my understanding that if I did my FAA IR in US, it would cost about the same amount to convert to JAA IR on return to UK?
Sorry for such a long post (and any poor grammar) and thank you in advance for any help anyone can give me it will be most appreciated.
Russell
I'm looking for some advice as before I make my big step into doing my helicopter CPL.
Before I start though I wanted to say what a great resource, thanks to all of you who regularly post insightful comments and answers. I have spent about 30 hours reading most of the posts on here (before making my first ever posting) and I feel I have a much more rounded view of industry and training as a whole.
Some of my questions I will cover I know have been asked and answered elsewhere. However, previous answers may now be outdated and I wanted some fresh input. Finally, apololgies, I know some of the questions may belong in separate forums but I felt the best advice would come from people on this forum and would not get lost among the airline posts. OK I'll stop waffling.....here goes.
Although I would have liked to have supported Britsh FTO's and appreciate that it is probably better to train where you will fly I am looking a doing a joint FAA/JAA CPL at HAI. This is both for cost reasons, and to get my qualifications ASAP as am turning 30 soon.
1) Does anyone know what the waiting time is to start with HAI?I'm waiting for a response from them but think it could be a while due to Wilma knocking at their door.
2) I have read posts where people showed concern that HAI were becoming slightly under resourced (ratio of students to helis too high) and they were ordering more helis to resolve this. Is this situation now resolved?
3) If hypothetically I came back with 800 hours after 2 years (with circa 600 CFI) would my experience be of interest to a shool in the UK if I was up against a UK trained CFI with minimum hours, or would I be dismissed for not being trained in UK airspace and for mainly teaching the FAA syllabus etc?
4) Any thoughts on whether I should do the JAA CFI course in Florida or the UK?
My thougths are HAI would be cheaper and also the more training I do with them might help me when I start looking for a job as a CFI in US for the remainder of my visa stay when I graduate. With the UK option I would have had some of my training in UK and will start making contact with flight schools and other contacts in the UK where I ultimately want to build a career.
5) From researching the job market and reading posts here, even if I did get 800-1000 hours building as a CFI (on R22s or 300s) I would still need to find 1000-1500 hours on turbine etc before I became more marketable.
Unlike countries like the US where there appear to be more opportunities in tours, logging jobs, traffic watch etc to gain these hours there seem to be a lot fewer opportunities in UK. Am Is the only option to go to the North Sea? Note: I saynoption in the loosest terms as I'm aware that they are not really recruiting at the moment and might also need to self fund an IR.
Are there any other opportunities in the UK I haven't considered? Otherwise, as a Brit with CFI hours is it likely that I could get a visa to somewhere like Canada or Aus and do some low paid turbine work to build the hours for a year? Has anyone got experience of using their CFI hours in these countries to hours build on turbines?
6) Does anyone here who has gone to the states on J1 also been in the same position as me in that I have had a J1 visa before (in fact 2)? I am wondering if this will effect my entitlement for another. I have researched US gov sites but can't find any answers.
7) Am I correct in my understanding that if I did my FAA IR in US, it would cost about the same amount to convert to JAA IR on return to UK?
Sorry for such a long post (and any poor grammar) and thank you in advance for any help anyone can give me it will be most appreciated.
Russell
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Hi abigstep !!
Mell mate I am in the same boat as you.
I may not be able to answer all of your questions but I hope to help.
I had looked at alot of different schools with all the pro's and con's and settled with HAI.
I went and saw them about a year ago & taking all things that you have asked as well , I decided on HAI.
There are lots of reasons but it looks like the best option for me as well.
I already wrote a huge reply but accidently hit the back button and lost it but instead of doing this again how bout you PM me and lets trade e-mail adresses and keep in touch.
I am about to give me notice and apply and would like to begin in December or January.
Take care and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Helofan
"Its easier to get forgivness than it is to get permission"
Mell mate I am in the same boat as you.
I may not be able to answer all of your questions but I hope to help.
I had looked at alot of different schools with all the pro's and con's and settled with HAI.
I went and saw them about a year ago & taking all things that you have asked as well , I decided on HAI.
There are lots of reasons but it looks like the best option for me as well.
I already wrote a huge reply but accidently hit the back button and lost it but instead of doing this again how bout you PM me and lets trade e-mail adresses and keep in touch.
I am about to give me notice and apply and would like to begin in December or January.
Take care and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Helofan
"Its easier to get forgivness than it is to get permission"
Russell,
You are correct---HAI is closed today due to hurricane Wilma. All aircraft were safely inside the hangar, (all 4o or more of them, that answered Q2 I think!), and no damage as far as I know.
Your e-mail should be answered tomorrow-or feel free to call (toll free), and ask for Sam or myself and we can answer your questions by phone.
Gordy
You are correct---HAI is closed today due to hurricane Wilma. All aircraft were safely inside the hangar, (all 4o or more of them, that answered Q2 I think!), and no damage as far as I know.
Your e-mail should be answered tomorrow-or feel free to call (toll free), and ask for Sam or myself and we can answer your questions by phone.
Gordy
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Hi abigstep,
I am going out to the US soon on the J1 visa after 18 months of research. I too had the same questions to ask 6 months ago and had many concerns about HAI and its staffing/helicopter problems.
After talking with Patrick Corr at Helitech this year he admitted they had got those problems earlier in the year but now has had more aircraft delivered and also hired more instructors. He was a top guy and i admired him for his honesty!
Unfortunatly it was too late for me and my training is now with another school who offers the J1.
Do lots of research, talk to the guys there, talk to Patrick and Sam and the most important thing of all.... Visit the school!! I flew several thousand miles for 2 days at my school and it was worth its weight in gold!
Remember.... research, research, research, research!
Take your time and get it right on paper and clearly in your mind here, the last thing you want is a money shortage halfway through!
R22
I am going out to the US soon on the J1 visa after 18 months of research. I too had the same questions to ask 6 months ago and had many concerns about HAI and its staffing/helicopter problems.
After talking with Patrick Corr at Helitech this year he admitted they had got those problems earlier in the year but now has had more aircraft delivered and also hired more instructors. He was a top guy and i admired him for his honesty!
Unfortunatly it was too late for me and my training is now with another school who offers the J1.
Do lots of research, talk to the guys there, talk to Patrick and Sam and the most important thing of all.... Visit the school!! I flew several thousand miles for 2 days at my school and it was worth its weight in gold!
Remember.... research, research, research, research!
Take your time and get it right on paper and clearly in your mind here, the last thing you want is a money shortage halfway through!
R22
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abigstep,
Clearly you've been doing a bit of internet research and reading.
It would be very wise, in view of the amount of money you're looking to invest, to quit seeking opinions on chat forums and start getting some face to face time at the schools you've shortlisted.
For the price of two lessons in the UK you could easily root about on the web for a cheap charter flight to Sanford Fl, stay a few nights in cheap motels and really find out what you need to know.
If you can't afford or be bothered to fly out here and look for yourself believe me you'd better call off the whole project now.
I'm at HAI now aiming to finish the whole project by Christmas. If you take my advice and make the trip look me up when you get here ........ i'll give you positive and constructive feedback and talk through your plans.......
there's two people here I know of have ever owned a Busa.....one of them is a Flight Instructor and i'm the other one......
R1tamer
Clearly you've been doing a bit of internet research and reading.
It would be very wise, in view of the amount of money you're looking to invest, to quit seeking opinions on chat forums and start getting some face to face time at the schools you've shortlisted.
For the price of two lessons in the UK you could easily root about on the web for a cheap charter flight to Sanford Fl, stay a few nights in cheap motels and really find out what you need to know.
If you can't afford or be bothered to fly out here and look for yourself believe me you'd better call off the whole project now.
I'm at HAI now aiming to finish the whole project by Christmas. If you take my advice and make the trip look me up when you get here ........ i'll give you positive and constructive feedback and talk through your plans.......
there's two people here I know of have ever owned a Busa.....one of them is a Flight Instructor and i'm the other one......
R1tamer