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Drag that's a drag,
The Jet Exec is in Italy,South America, Austrailia, New Zeland, Canada Dang near all over.
Why are you gus still in the stone age? (CAA?)
What about the Helicycle?
CAA don't like that either?
The Jet Exec is in Italy,South America, Austrailia, New Zeland, Canada Dang near all over.
Why are you gus still in the stone age? (CAA?)
What about the Helicycle?
CAA don't like that either?
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Hmmmm......
I wonder what lethal contraptions the ignorant will strap themselves and their innocent passengers into without regulation?
HP
I wonder what lethal contraptions the ignorant will strap themselves and their innocent passengers into without regulation?
HP
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HP with OVER REGULATION you will NEVER fly anything. But that CAA will let you ball up a certified just as quickly & Just as deadly.
Hairyplane You must work for the CAA
Like the FAA thay have a saying,
We're not happy unless you're not happy!
Hairyplane You must work for the CAA
Like the FAA thay have a saying,
We're not happy unless you're not happy!
It's not often I find myself defending the CAA, but on this occasion, I think the CAA strike a reasonable balance between regulation and risk. I think the Mechanical Failure rate of Rotorways in the UK is extremely small (except the engine valve train) due to the UK requirements for qualified engineering oversight. I don't think the same can be said for other less regulated regimes.
PD - to be fair to the CAA, they haven't yet issued the Talon A600 a Permit to Fly because the engineering report they requested on the new Tail Rotor Drive system and also the Cog Belt Main Rotor drive hasn't been completed. The design engineer charged with the job, by the UK importers, has been dragging his heels - for almost 3 years! That's hardly the fault of the CAA.
To my untrianed (engineering) eye, I think the Talon tail rotor system is plain daft. More moving parts, more cost, more weight, more risk - why bother? The belt drive tail rotor is perfectly fine and indeed has proven safety advantages over a shaft drive system, particularly for an amateur assembled helicopter. The cog belt is a different story, and I welcome its arrival......when it gets approved.
JJ
PD - to be fair to the CAA, they haven't yet issued the Talon A600 a Permit to Fly because the engineering report they requested on the new Tail Rotor Drive system and also the Cog Belt Main Rotor drive hasn't been completed. The design engineer charged with the job, by the UK importers, has been dragging his heels - for almost 3 years! That's hardly the fault of the CAA.
To my untrianed (engineering) eye, I think the Talon tail rotor system is plain daft. More moving parts, more cost, more weight, more risk - why bother? The belt drive tail rotor is perfectly fine and indeed has proven safety advantages over a shaft drive system, particularly for an amateur assembled helicopter. The cog belt is a different story, and I welcome its arrival......when it gets approved.
JJ
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I do not work for the CAA, or anybody else for that matter. I hold PPLA/ PPLH and own/ operate both. I am a fixed wing display pilot.
Love or hate the 'Campaign Against Aviation' we need a regulatory body.
Aviation would be far less safe without them, surely an irrefutable fact.
HP
Love or hate the 'Campaign Against Aviation' we need a regulatory body.
Aviation would be far less safe without them, surely an irrefutable fact.
HP
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Still have a bunch Balling up type certified machines-seen both sides of the fence ,Guess what?
The mechanical caused Accident rates are lower in experimentals.
Pilot error Caused are #1 in both classes
And as for risk If you want zero risk DON"T fly
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For absolute no risk Find a warm bath and razor blades.
Regulations only stifle, Education reduces risk,
The mechanical caused Accident rates are lower in experimentals
.Pilot error Caused are #1 in both classes
And as for risk If you want zero risk DON"T fly
.For absolute no risk Find a warm bath and razor blades.
Regulations only stifle, Education reduces risk,
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JJ, happy to accept a smacked bottom on that matter, I was only made privy to that Talon information, by coincidence, about ten minutes before reading your post. All of my numerous previous enquiries to the horses mouth were answered with the CAA being the reason for the lengthy delay.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it......but my guess on the reason for the change to shaft drive T/R was to overcome the negative vibe over the "rubber band" T/R drive system ....whereas the cog belt imho is a great idea, easier inspections, lighter..and no oil bath leaks
Of course, I understand the need for regulation, however, I'm sure we're all aware of a lot of helicopter crashes of late...of properly regulated, certified machines....sadly no machine and no amount of perhaps sometimes 'belt and braces' safety edicts will ever be perfect
Safe flying all....
If it ain't broke, don't fix it......but my guess on the reason for the change to shaft drive T/R was to overcome the negative vibe over the "rubber band" T/R drive system ....whereas the cog belt imho is a great idea, easier inspections, lighter..and no oil bath leaks
Of course, I understand the need for regulation, however, I'm sure we're all aware of a lot of helicopter crashes of late...of properly regulated, certified machines....sadly no machine and no amount of perhaps sometimes 'belt and braces' safety edicts will ever be perfect
Safe flying all....
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Rotorway 162f
Hi all
I would like to fulfill a lifetime ambition of flying a helecopter and have found myself in a position to do so, but on a budget, and have decided to go for a Rotorway, I am quite capable of doing the spanner work myself but also want to enjoy the flying side, having read the threads on Rotorway corner there isn't a lot of positive feedback, ie 1hr flying 3hrs maintenance, secondary drive shaft failure, oil bath seals, cracks etc to be honest this doesn't put me off, but I would like a true account, opinion from an owner that isn't selling there machine.
I would like to contact Jellycopter, Chester and whirlybird to discuss the options as i'm in Cheshire and I believe they are quite close to me. my e:mail is
[email protected]
thankyou in advance
I would like to fulfill a lifetime ambition of flying a helecopter and have found myself in a position to do so, but on a budget, and have decided to go for a Rotorway, I am quite capable of doing the spanner work myself but also want to enjoy the flying side, having read the threads on Rotorway corner there isn't a lot of positive feedback, ie 1hr flying 3hrs maintenance, secondary drive shaft failure, oil bath seals, cracks etc to be honest this doesn't put me off, but I would like a true account, opinion from an owner that isn't selling there machine.
I would like to contact Jellycopter, Chester and whirlybird to discuss the options as i'm in Cheshire and I believe they are quite close to me. my e:mail is
[email protected]
thankyou in advance
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Rotorway 162f wanted
Hi
I am looking for a Rotorway Exec 90 or 162f
I have cash waiting
would like a complete machine (not part built or unfinished project) in permit but not compulsary,
[email protected]
thankyou
I am looking for a Rotorway Exec 90 or 162f
I have cash waiting
would like a complete machine (not part built or unfinished project) in permit but not compulsary,
[email protected]
thankyou
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You're not missing anything there anyway...it's primarily US..and buying a Rotorway from overseas for use in the UK is a no brainer..
There's nothing currently being advertised on the European section of Rotorway Owners Group either
There's nothing currently being advertised on the European section of Rotorway Owners Group either
edit. "Disregard below. I checked with the owner and itīs not for sale."
I know of a Rotorway here in Iceland fully assembled and ground run but never flown.
I can check if the owner will sell. The currency rate with our Krona should be very favourable to the Ģ. He built it some years ago, very competent guy so I would think the build quality is good.
PM me if anyone interested in buying RW from overseas is interested.
I know of a Rotorway here in Iceland fully assembled and ground run but never flown.
I can check if the owner will sell. The currency rate with our Krona should be very favourable to the Ģ. He built it some years ago, very competent guy so I would think the build quality is good.
PM me if anyone interested in buying RW from overseas is interested.
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I live right across from their factory (until they moved off our airport a few years ago) and they flew daily without any incidents (here anyway). Many of the buyers would come out here and get their rating or at least solo before going back to their homes. It's a neat little machine and I visited the factory quite a few times before deciding what to buy. My biggest concern was weight and balance; they have a ballast weight that must be moved from the front skid (flying solo) to a post aft of the engine (flying with a passenger). When the factory rep told me that the helicopter would roll over if the ballast was not in it's correct position that pretty much iced it for me. Later I read accident reports of exactly that same thing happening when an owner pilot dropped off a friend at his house and took off to fly back to the airport forgetting to reposition the ballast. He lifted off and over she went. Now I realize that this was clearly pilot error and not the aircrafts failings but there you have it. Rotor inertia was my second concern. I finally settled on a Bell 47G (low powered Franklin 210 HP engine) that I bought on the cheap. Lots or rotor inertia, safe with a history of training who knows how many thousand pilots. For something in the same class as the Rotorway, albeit single seat, I would opt for the turbine Helicycle.
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Rotorway Wanted
Now in a financial position which enables me to seriously look for a Rotorway circa Ģ30k must be in permit,
I have seen the Southern H site, just wondering if anybody knows of one coming up for sale, any help would be appreciated
thankyou
Russell
I have seen the Southern H site, just wondering if anybody knows of one coming up for sale, any help would be appreciated
thankyou
Russell
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I can't believe that I'm about to write, what I am about to write but, these are extenuating circumstances!
We have someone with an Exec who lives round our parts. I don't know what the normal flight rpm is supposed to be for this heli but you can hear this chap's engine from miles away, screaming and humming across the distance and seeming to linger in the air (the noise that is) forever. Even as a heli-aficionado I find it objectionable!
To be honest I would rather you buy a Robbie - OMG I've actually said it may God forgive me!
Rotorways for sale here
Same priced Robbie for sale here
And if you had the budget, this is what you should really buy
Happy flying.
We have someone with an Exec who lives round our parts. I don't know what the normal flight rpm is supposed to be for this heli but you can hear this chap's engine from miles away, screaming and humming across the distance and seeming to linger in the air (the noise that is) forever. Even as a heli-aficionado I find it objectionable!
To be honest I would rather you buy a Robbie - OMG I've actually said it
may God forgive me!Rotorways for sale here
Same priced Robbie for sale here
And if you had the budget, this is what you should really buy
Happy flying.