The worst job possible?

[Gomer Pylot]

Well, even for a helicopter job, I doubt it's the worst possible. The worst I've personally seen, although I've never been desperate enough to do it, is the notorious 'pilot-pumper' used by Grasso Offshore Services. You fly your own 206, no weather minimums, with no maintenance at all because it's a Part 91 operation, and do all the work on a number of offshore platforms. You work 14 on/7 off, live offshore on your work hitch in a temporary building, doing your own cooking, housekeeping, etc in addition to the the normal work, which is at least 12 hours/day, all for less money than even new-hire pilots make at the major operators. I think (at least I hope) those days are gone, but that was the worst flying job I've seen.

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

206B, up to 200 sectors a day, the only expat living offshore so I have to eat African food (which was fine, but not 3 meals a day, 5 days a week), treated less than a taxi driver (taking a video 26 miles, i.e. 52 miles round trip because the Platform Production Supervisor forgot the tape), but earning revenue for THE COMPANY.

Did it, paid the bills. Moved on.

NEO

[blme]

Best job

Just a funny comment

The Queens flight

Paid as footmen, not pilots. The DofE cannot stand his Staff in uniform, ie higher rank than him.

Now, thats the worst job in the world!

Private flying not AOC.

Legally could be done on a PPL, so there.

[SilsoeSid]

Thank you B73.

Now, your thing about inexperienced pilots.

"If you need reminding, this was a recent incident where an under-experienced pilot launched a B206 in poor weather conditions. RIP."

The impression given on anything I can find on this incident is that the commander was an experienced pilot as this is mention by 2 seperate people. Obviously without the AAIB report this cannot be confirmed.

I repeat, "But your biggest problem, B73, is the thought you have that only inexperienced pilots crash in bad weather!"

Judging by your PM words of advice to me of;
"If you can remember back to your days of flying singles then I hope that you'll agree that
'poor weather + low experience pilot + unstabilised single (B206) = potential recipe for disaster' ,
you will not like it when i don't agree with that statement.
There is a potential recipe everytime skids go light, regardless of composition!

I don't know what category you put yourself in, but if you remember only one thing;

Experienced pilots can crash in good weather.
(I would rather fly with an 'inexperienced' pilot who is a bit cautious, than an 'experienced' one with no fear!)
Ok, that may be technically 2 things !

Perhaps you would like to research at what hourage a rotary pilot is likely to have an incident. You may be surprised!

Remember, in a helicopter, if there's nothing going wrong, it's just about to!

SS

[212man]

blme,
I think you'll find they are quite happy actually (obviously blissful ignorance!) Well the one I know is.

[Bravo73]

Well, Sid, we seem to be spiltting hairs on this one. Like I said in the PM, we also seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

Maybe an updated 'formula' is needed:

poor weather + low experience pilot + unstabilised single (B206) = much higher chance of a potential recipe for disaster

But it's all kinda academic though. As you say, any pilot can have something go wrong at any time. Surely it's a matter of operating so as to try to reduce your exposure to that (or any) risk?

And regarding the deleted incident (as also mentioned in the PM): Although the commander was an experienced pilot, he (unfortunately) wasn't experienced enough (ie under-experienced) to know when to stay on the ground. We will probably never know the pressures that he was under to lift again in such dire conditions but it took 4 lives so that we could all learn from his mistake. RIP.

Regards,

B73





RIP?
I don't know if you're including the pilot in that, but it seem inconsistent with your allegations against someone who sadly isn't around to defend himself.
Heliport

[SilsoeSid]

B73,

If you think we are singing from the same hymn sheet, there must be quite a few songs on it, as I am not singing the same tune as you.

Nice update to the formula, buckling under pressure ? However I still wouldn't agree with the phrase "much higher chance of a potential recipe for disaster". Sounds as if you are trying to get all the bases loaded on that one.

But now your song to sing is that it's all academic. Come on B73, which side of the fence are you going to land on?

I am trying to fathom out your definition of 'experienced', or indeed this phrase you are using, 'experienced enough'. What on earth do you mean when you say;
"Although the commander was an experienced pilot, he (unfortunately) wasn't experienced enough (ie under-experienced) to know when to stay on the ground."
How can you say such a thing, without people thinking as Brassed Off does, "sharing a cockpit with you would be very difficult due to the size of your head." whilst reading your posts?

Perhaps by your definition, we should all get nice 9-5, Mon-Fri jobs that enable us to keep our feet on the ground.

'And finally';
"We will probably never know the pressures that he was under to lift again in such dire conditions but it took 4 lives so that we could all learn from his mistake. RIP."

Have you seen the report? Please tell us why this incident occured, as you seem to have laid all blame onto the pilot launching in bad weather.



It's a nice day out there today, let's keep it that way.

SS

[bbbeenthere]

Change of Career

I fancy a change ; does anyone know the Academy of Perfection that B73 may have been a graduate?
I am handsome, extremely adaptable, not one to ever make a mistake, and could fit the course in during the next couple of weeks

[archos]

B 73

I came across yet another updated formula: The so-called "GIRFOD" (Greatest Imagineable Recipe For Desaster).
Extremely poor weather + any pilot + any single/twin + flying at 100 ft agl. + not spotting the 300 ft tree in his/her flight path.
No chance for even the most under experienced pilot.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Got a thanks but no thanks in the mail - Worth a try though - anyway, i'm useless at ironing !!

[pilotwolf]

Got a thanks but no thanks in the mail - Worth a try though - anyway, i'm useless at ironing !!

Ditto!

PW

[fflyboy101]

So has anyone heard who did get the job???

[MPR]

This is only my assumption....

Looks like the best\worst job might be on hold...... unless he buys another JetRanger

G-RIAN (John Green - Helicopters R Go) - became G-OJEF a few weeks ago, it appears to have rolled over at Haverfordwest

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=176413

[EMS R22]

I think the job description has changed.They are no longer after a pilot ,they just want a tea boy.

[overpitched]

I wonder if it was the newly hired pilot ?????? Short career if it was I guess

[SilsoeSid]

New addition to the job spec..............Engineering background essential!!


SS

(was the weather a factor! )

[MPR]

If its a tea boy they want.....

look no further than me! I even trained to make tea as a student. Just lacking in the engineering stakes.

[SASless]

If all they want is a tea boy...the wages shall have improved from that offered originally.

[hemac]

Bravo 73

I'm sure your intentions are generally honourable, but as a new comer to the professional world of flying your thread strikes me as someone very much intent on preserving their livelihood.

Give the new boys a break, or is it that you want this paticular job?

H.

[Bravo73]

Ah, jeez hemac,

I was hoping that this thread was just going to 'die a death' but you've asked me a question so I feel obliged to answer.

or is it that you want this paticular job? Well, are you sure you're not SilageSid in disguise? I refer you back to my posts of the 4th & 5th of May. I'm so far away from wanting this job you won't believe it.

What started as an idle thought on my part about what a cr@ppy job this was developed into a brief discussion on matters such as PPLs flying for renumeration and VFR machines & pilots potentially being pressurised into flying in IFR conditions (with the usual added dose of 'Sid cynism and bitterness'). I reasoned that this was a job for an experienced 206 pilot who had the b@lls when to say 'no'. Unfortunately, an experienced pilot wouldn't look twice at the job so it'd be left to a low experienced guy/gal.

SECTION REMOVED - Rumour network or not, your "speculation" about pilot error is out of order, and grossly unfair to another pilot whose professional reputation might be damaged by irresponsible comments of that sort.
Heliport

Thanks for that, Heliport. Can I please remind you and others that it wasn't myself who first speculated about the link between this job and the accident at Haverfordwest? It was MPR on the 29th of May. Is his post not going to be 'moderated' as well?

And you're right, Sid. I am going to ignore you.

If you do want to 'go pro' and stay onshore, please take Camp Freddie's advice which is repeated here time and time again. You won't get a job (that you'll actually want) with just a CPL(H). Budget for an FI(R) rating as well. Then your opportunities will multiply.


But then again, this is all just 'IMHO' so regards,

B73