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All this begs the question.....What is the difference between a Terrorist and a woman with PMS?
One can negotiate with a Terrorist!
Running for cover......
One can negotiate with a Terrorist!
Running for cover......
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She is not a pilot but she stated that women make less good pilots because during their period they tend to be very short-tempred or getting angry much more easily. Obviously her not being a pilot her argument does not hold a lot ot water but nervertheless it does show something...
I believe that often PMS or dysmynoria are merely excuses, and a woman that is happy about herself doesn't really suffer.
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Whirlygig,
you still ranting about pms?? I'd say you are getting to the end of your cycle missus!!!
As for your comments about looking better than most pilots.. ok I'll give you that one (Don't worry I'm not going soft, just being fair)
I have to say, I was onboard BA's first ever "All Girl crew" flight, and I was sat with a mate of mine who was one of BA's engineering management.. we both really wanted it to be a rough flight, I had my "Excuse me miss, did we land or were we shot down??" quip at the ready.. unfortunately, it was great, no problems at all, nor have ever experienced any unpleasant flights in the hands of a girl. (No innuendo intended!!!)
Although I must mention one particular woman I used to know, who recently gained a commendation for her rescue flying skills.. great pilot, crap driver.. reversed her car into a hangar door support..
Hmmm good pilot can't park cars.. who does that remind me of??? I wonder......
you still ranting about pms?? I'd say you are getting to the end of your cycle missus!!!
As for your comments about looking better than most pilots.. ok I'll give you that one (Don't worry I'm not going soft, just being fair)
I have to say, I was onboard BA's first ever "All Girl crew" flight, and I was sat with a mate of mine who was one of BA's engineering management.. we both really wanted it to be a rough flight, I had my "Excuse me miss, did we land or were we shot down??" quip at the ready.. unfortunately, it was great, no problems at all, nor have ever experienced any unpleasant flights in the hands of a girl. (No innuendo intended!!!)
Although I must mention one particular woman I used to know, who recently gained a commendation for her rescue flying skills.. great pilot, crap driver.. reversed her car into a hangar door support..
Hmmm good pilot can't park cars.. who does that remind me of??? I wonder......
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Well this started out being an interesting thread .... pity 'bout the miss guided (pls excuse the Pun!) goading by some of the contributers ... enough enough !!!
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Vfrpilotpb asked "Do any of you guy know the average size of the female Feet?"
I believe the answer is very small so they can get closer to the sink/ironing board/oven etc. Ho Ho Ho what a funny joke for a 12 year old to tell. It still amazes me that that aren't any new funny jokes about women, it would make me laugh if I heard a new one.
Regarding parking, I've said it before on PPrune.....I can't parallel park, that's why I fly helicopters, they can go sideways.
Blind
Why Women Are Best
A woman was out golfing one day when she hit her ball into the woods. She went into the woods to look for it and found a frog in a trap.
The frog said to her, "If you release me from this trap, I will grant you three wishes."
The woman freed the frog and then the frog said, "Thank you, but I failed to mention that there was a condition to your wishes. Whatever you wish for, your husband will get ten times more or better!"
The woman said, "That would be okay."
For her first wish, she wanted to be the most beautiful woman in the world. The frog warned her, "You do realize that this wish will also make your husband the most handsome man in the world, an Adonis, that women will flock to.
"The woman replied, "That will be okay because I will be the most beautiful woman and he will only have eyes for me."
So, KAZAM-she\'s the most beautiful woman in the world.
For her second wish, she wanted to be the richest woman in the world.
The frog said, "That will make your husband the richest man in the
world, and he will be ten times richer than you."
The woman said, "That will be okay because what\'s mine is his and what\'s his is mine."
So, KAZAM-she\'s the richest woman in the world!
The frog then inquired about her third wish and she answered, "I\'d like a mild heart attack."
Women are clever bitches. Don\'t mess with them.
I believe the answer is very small so they can get closer to the sink/ironing board/oven etc. Ho Ho Ho what a funny joke for a 12 year old to tell. It still amazes me that that aren't any new funny jokes about women, it would make me laugh if I heard a new one.
Regarding parking, I've said it before on PPrune.....I can't parallel park, that's why I fly helicopters, they can go sideways.
Blind
Why Women Are Best
A woman was out golfing one day when she hit her ball into the woods. She went into the woods to look for it and found a frog in a trap.
The frog said to her, "If you release me from this trap, I will grant you three wishes."
The woman freed the frog and then the frog said, "Thank you, but I failed to mention that there was a condition to your wishes. Whatever you wish for, your husband will get ten times more or better!"
The woman said, "That would be okay."
For her first wish, she wanted to be the most beautiful woman in the world. The frog warned her, "You do realize that this wish will also make your husband the most handsome man in the world, an Adonis, that women will flock to.
"The woman replied, "That will be okay because I will be the most beautiful woman and he will only have eyes for me."
So, KAZAM-she\'s the most beautiful woman in the world.
For her second wish, she wanted to be the richest woman in the world.
The frog said, "That will make your husband the richest man in the
world, and he will be ten times richer than you."
The woman said, "That will be okay because what\'s mine is his and what\'s his is mine."
So, KAZAM-she\'s the richest woman in the world!
The frog then inquired about her third wish and she answered, "I\'d like a mild heart attack."
Women are clever bitches. Don\'t mess with them.
Whirlygig
Please check your PM.
Whirlybird
I explained she is not a pilot. I just reported what she said. SHe is an English teacher and for operational reasons I don't have too much contact with her (thanks god)... If I had my way I would have introduce her to the PPRuNe and she would understand what makes a good pilot.
Even worst my meeting with her does not turn well in general
Anyway I shall not post in the PPRuNe when I am in a hurry....
I will close the door on the way out
Rwy in Sight
PS
I know that helicopters don't crash when an engine quites.. The terms autogyration and ungliness pushes them away ring a bell...
Please check your PM.
Whirlybird
I explained she is not a pilot. I just reported what she said. SHe is an English teacher and for operational reasons I don't have too much contact with her (thanks god)... If I had my way I would have introduce her to the PPRuNe and she would understand what makes a good pilot.
Even worst my meeting with her does not turn well in general
Anyway I shall not post in the PPRuNe when I am in a hurry....
I will close the door on the way out
Rwy in Sight
PS
I know that helicopters don't crash when an engine quites.. The terms autogyration and ungliness pushes them away ring a bell...
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Whirlybird, what a superb post on page 1! Girls, as a new ppruner I ask, what are your opinions on the variation of men's attitudes towards women crew around the uk and europe?
To some extent it is "grim up north" in regard to the male chauvinism we encounter on a day to day basis. However, most of us (that want to get on) just laugh it off - its just a refreshing change to experience the european male from time to time - are they really treating us a equals in the cockpit or am I just being drawn in by their charm. Is the prejudice that geordie man shoves in our face, still there but just concealed? I have my opinions what are yours? Come on you guys aswell!
To some extent it is "grim up north" in regard to the male chauvinism we encounter on a day to day basis. However, most of us (that want to get on) just laugh it off - its just a refreshing change to experience the european male from time to time - are they really treating us a equals in the cockpit or am I just being drawn in by their charm. Is the prejudice that geordie man shoves in our face, still there but just concealed? I have my opinions what are yours? Come on you guys aswell!
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I don't really think you can predict how men react to women pilots based on how far from the equator they live but the more people whinge about it and go on about it the worse it will get. It's going to get to the stage where people start to get paranoid about it.
Get over the who sex thing. People judge you very quickly on a number of things. Stop putting all people into groups and judge those you meet in the same way that you want them to judge you.
I am getting soooooooooo bl**dy bored of all these female pilot threads I am beginning to wish women weren't allowed in the cockpit
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Get over the who sex thing. People judge you very quickly on a number of things. Stop putting all people into groups and judge those you meet in the same way that you want them to judge you.
I am getting soooooooooo bl**dy bored of all these female pilot threads I am beginning to wish women weren't allowed in the cockpit
Blind
Except for a few redeeming qualities...there most likely would be a bounty on them!
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newcastlepilot,
Glad you liked my post.
As you can see, it's done no good whatsoever; we're now on page 4, and although no-one has yet referred to pink skies or cock-pits, they've covered pretty much everything else I mentioned. 
I'm not sure about different areas/countries having more or less prejudice. I do know a couple of women who flew themselves to Corsica, and no-one could actually do any paperwork or let them leave for a while, because they wanted to know where the pilot was; they were convinced two women couldn't possibly have flown themselves across Europe!!!! But I'd hate to generalise from one incident.
Blind,
I too am heartily sick of women pilot threads. I can't believe it's even worthy of comment - in 2005, 94 years after the first woman got a pilot's licence, 60 years after the end of the 2nd Worl War when the women ATA pilots flew all types of aircraft all over the country, and 30 years after the Sex Discrimination Act came into being. But things take a long time to change.
As to not whinging about it, up to a point you're right. OTOH, pretending prejudice isn't there won't make it go away...ostriches can be seen. And, personally, I've stopped altering my behaviour to suit what people want or to create an impression...I don't care if it gets better or worse; I'll be me, do what I want, whinge if I feel like it, ignore it if that suits me,and to hell with the lot of them. Why shouldn't I? Why should I have to mind my ps and qs becasue I'm female? That attitude doesn't make me popular with either men or women, I know, but I'm past caring about that either. Maybe I've just been around this sort of thing too long.
Glad you liked my post.
As you can see, it's done no good whatsoever; we're now on page 4, and although no-one has yet referred to pink skies or cock-pits, they've covered pretty much everything else I mentioned. I'm not sure about different areas/countries having more or less prejudice. I do know a couple of women who flew themselves to Corsica, and no-one could actually do any paperwork or let them leave for a while, because they wanted to know where the pilot was; they were convinced two women couldn't possibly have flown themselves across Europe!!!! But I'd hate to generalise from one incident.
Blind,
I too am heartily sick of women pilot threads. I can't believe it's even worthy of comment - in 2005, 94 years after the first woman got a pilot's licence, 60 years after the end of the 2nd Worl War when the women ATA pilots flew all types of aircraft all over the country, and 30 years after the Sex Discrimination Act came into being. But things take a long time to change.
As to not whinging about it, up to a point you're right. OTOH, pretending prejudice isn't there won't make it go away...ostriches can be seen. And, personally, I've stopped altering my behaviour to suit what people want or to create an impression...I don't care if it gets better or worse; I'll be me, do what I want, whinge if I feel like it, ignore it if that suits me,and to hell with the lot of them. Why shouldn't I? Why should I have to mind my ps and qs becasue I'm female? That attitude doesn't make me popular with either men or women, I know, but I'm past caring about that either. Maybe I've just been around this sort of thing too long.
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Maybe it's mainly because I've been fortunate enough to work with a approximately 80 pilots and have only ever had one colleague who couldn't deal with women. Part of me feels that there isn't really a problem so these threads are a fuss about a problem that doesn't exist!?!
Anyway Happy flying to all and sundry.
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Anyway Happy flying to all and sundry.
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I have flown with 1/2 a dozen +, women pilots in my career. I have never been able to tell which phase of the moon or cycle they were in by there performance/attitude/mood.
I am not known for being sensitive, but I will say that the male pilots I have flown with seem to be alot more sensitive to critsism than the female pilots.
There are excellent, good, fair, poor, and bad woman pilots just as there are excellent, good, fair, poor, and bad male pilots.Period
I am not known for being sensitive, but I will say that the male pilots I have flown with seem to be alot more sensitive to critsism than the female pilots.
There are excellent, good, fair, poor, and bad woman pilots just as there are excellent, good, fair, poor, and bad male pilots.Period
A while back...an EMS pilot in New Zealand had a CFIT event and the outcry by the knuckle draggers of our population went on forever it seemed.
I said it then....and say it again...that Lady is welcome at my end of the bar anytime. Anyone that thinks there is a bit of difference between performance between the sexes when it comes to flying needs some sensitivity training.
We are all different...(viva la difference in some cases) and we cannot paint everyone with the same brush.
Whirly Girls....does that make up for my rude comments from above?
I said it then....and say it again...that Lady is welcome at my end of the bar anytime. Anyone that thinks there is a bit of difference between performance between the sexes when it comes to flying needs some sensitivity training.
We are all different...(viva la difference in some cases) and we cannot paint everyone with the same brush.
Whirly Girls....does that make up for my rude comments from above?
Sasless....interesting comments about that NZ incident.
You conveniently forgot to mention how she came to utilise her exceptional skills....
She flew down a valley at night not knowing exactly where she was????????? And hit trees???
Not saying a bloke wouldnt do the same....but dont let the truth stand in the way of a good story eh?
You conveniently forgot to mention how she came to utilise her exceptional skills....
She flew down a valley at night not knowing exactly where she was????????? And hit trees???
Not saying a bloke wouldnt do the same....but dont let the truth stand in the way of a good story eh?
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Come on guys/girls, things getting a tad heated dont ya think.
TC, the pilot in question knew where she was, she was following a GPS track to pick up a patient, and because she was a single pilot in night VFR, with an obviously high workload, she missed a way point, and was faced with rising terrain. The unfortunate pilot and crew did hit terrain, but with a broken hand, and numerous other injuries, she managed to hover for over an hour while the fire crews cut the other skid off, so she could make a flat as possible landing a bed of tyres.
Yes, she was unfortunate, and we all make mistake, we are of course Human, but she did extremely well to make the best of that situation.
Hughesy
TC, the pilot in question knew where she was, she was following a GPS track to pick up a patient, and because she was a single pilot in night VFR, with an obviously high workload, she missed a way point, and was faced with rising terrain. The unfortunate pilot and crew did hit terrain, but with a broken hand, and numerous other injuries, she managed to hover for over an hour while the fire crews cut the other skid off, so she could make a flat as possible landing a bed of tyres.
Yes, she was unfortunate, and we all make mistake, we are of course Human, but she did extremely well to make the best of that situation.
Hughesy
TC,
As I said back when that happened....she was out there walking the walk....and what happened to her could have happened to anyone of us. It gets mighty dark in some of the places we fly and when you throw in the hard bits things happen. The way she handled the event is what sold me on her piloting skills....when it all went pear shaped....she did good. There is not one of us who can honestly say we have not dropped a clanger and except for some divine intervention....could have had as ugly a thing or worse happen to us.
I missed an unlit mast one night by what seemed like inches....and it was not anything I did or did not do that prevented me from scoring a direct hit on the thing. I was just luckier than she was.
Pointing the finger is nice...but remember...it could be you sitting there wondering what happened one night. The folks in Washington in the 412 prove my point. It can happen to anyone at anytime....just pray it isn't your turn next.
As I said back when that happened....she was out there walking the walk....and what happened to her could have happened to anyone of us. It gets mighty dark in some of the places we fly and when you throw in the hard bits things happen. The way she handled the event is what sold me on her piloting skills....when it all went pear shaped....she did good. There is not one of us who can honestly say we have not dropped a clanger and except for some divine intervention....could have had as ugly a thing or worse happen to us.
I missed an unlit mast one night by what seemed like inches....and it was not anything I did or did not do that prevented me from scoring a direct hit on the thing. I was just luckier than she was.
Pointing the finger is nice...but remember...it could be you sitting there wondering what happened one night. The folks in Washington in the 412 prove my point. It can happen to anyone at anytime....just pray it isn't your turn next.
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Just been reading this rather long thread with interest.
Have to say, Double Echo, if Flytest beds female pilots because, in his words, "if they are in my bed, they are out of the sky"
Well.... SO IS HE!
Sorry......!
ariel
Have to say, Double Echo, if Flytest beds female pilots because, in his words, "if they are in my bed, they are out of the sky"
Well.... SO IS HE!
Sorry......!
ariel