Colour Blindness (merged)
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From: Uk
mm interesting piece.
I dont think it is a pilot error. I cant understand why the NTSB think it could be a pilot error.
I am not telling this because I am cdv myself, but because ''normal'' people haven't got any clue what cdv people really see. People often think I am almost blind or that I can only see black and white and that irritates me.
If you read the piece you can conclude that there where 3 pilots.
If 3 pilots say that there were not (4) red lights visible, why should they doubt about that. The other 2 flightmembers were not colour defective.
if there were 3 red 1 green all pilots must notice the difference and if you see 4 red lights the non colour defevtive pilots must notice that, but they tell the same story as the pilot with a waiver test.
This is an easy way to blame an accident but the facts show other things
greetings
I dont think it is a pilot error. I cant understand why the NTSB think it could be a pilot error.
I am not telling this because I am cdv myself, but because ''normal'' people haven't got any clue what cdv people really see. People often think I am almost blind or that I can only see black and white and that irritates me.
If you read the piece you can conclude that there where 3 pilots.
If 3 pilots say that there were not (4) red lights visible, why should they doubt about that. The other 2 flightmembers were not colour defective.
if there were 3 red 1 green all pilots must notice the difference and if you see 4 red lights the non colour defevtive pilots must notice that, but they tell the same story as the pilot with a waiver test.
This is an easy way to blame an accident but the facts show other things
greetings
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From: Europe
WL,
You will have to organise the lamptest through an FSDO. There is none outside the USA so I think that this answers your question.
However if you want to go the FAA way you can do the FAA Medical in Europe with any FAA AME. If you fail the colour vision test he/she can give you an medical for the class you desire but it will state: 'Not Valid for Night Flying or by Color Signal Control'
That way you know that you can embark upon your training and have taken out a big hurdle.
Then when you go Stateside to do the training you can organise with your flying school and the local FSDO to have a light test done (these are organised through the Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City.
By doing this you can further reduce the limitations applicable to your medical certificate.
HTH
FD
You will have to organise the lamptest through an FSDO. There is none outside the USA so I think that this answers your question.
However if you want to go the FAA way you can do the FAA Medical in Europe with any FAA AME. If you fail the colour vision test he/she can give you an medical for the class you desire but it will state: 'Not Valid for Night Flying or by Color Signal Control'
That way you know that you can embark upon your training and have taken out a big hurdle.
Then when you go Stateside to do the training you can organise with your flying school and the local FSDO to have a light test done (these are organised through the Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City.
By doing this you can further reduce the limitations applicable to your medical certificate.
HTH
FD
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From: Europe
WL,
You will have to organise the lamptest through an FSDO. There is none outside the USA so I think that this answers your question.
However if you want to go the FAA way you can do the FAA Medical in Europe with any FAA AME. If you fail the colour vision test he/she can give you an medical for the class you desire but it will state: 'Not Valid for Night Flying or by Color Signal Control'
That way you know that you can embark upon your training and have taken out a big hurdle.
Then when you go Stateside to do the training you can organise with your flying school and the local FSDO to have a light test done (these are organised through the Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City.
By doing this you can further reduce the limitations applicable to your medical certificate.
HTH
FD
You will have to organise the lamptest through an FSDO. There is none outside the USA so I think that this answers your question.
However if you want to go the FAA way you can do the FAA Medical in Europe with any FAA AME. If you fail the colour vision test he/she can give you an medical for the class you desire but it will state: 'Not Valid for Night Flying or by Color Signal Control'
That way you know that you can embark upon your training and have taken out a big hurdle.
Then when you go Stateside to do the training you can organise with your flying school and the local FSDO to have a light test done (these are organised through the Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City.
By doing this you can further reduce the limitations applicable to your medical certificate.
HTH
FD
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From: Birmingham
With regard to the earlier point about regular extended eye examinations, when I went to Aviation House for my thing, which I do not wish name as I wish to never have to worry about it again, the optometrist said that the record of my pass be taken into account at any future medicals, thus they wouldn't bother testing me again. He said specifically that when I went for my initial class one, I wouldn't be retested.
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From: Birmingham
With regard to the earlier point about regular extended eye examinations, when I went to Aviation House for my thing, which I do not wish name as I wish to never have to worry about it again, the optometrist said that the record of my pass be taken into account at any future medicals, thus they wouldn't bother testing me again. He said specifically that when I went for my initial class one, I wouldn't be retested.
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From: Uk
Hi Glom,
Who said that to you?? There where some people who said that to me 2.
But not so long ago I spoke a lady from the JAA in Holland.
This lady judges the medical applications. She told me that if I pass an alternate colour test, that they wil test me more often.
I aske to her if you only need to do this test once and she said no! this test will come back every time you need to pass a medical exam.
I dont understand that because as far as I know colour weaknes can not develop. You got it or not!
Tell me wich AMC said that because I will test myself there in the future.
thanks
Who said that to you?? There where some people who said that to me 2.
But not so long ago I spoke a lady from the JAA in Holland.
This lady judges the medical applications. She told me that if I pass an alternate colour test, that they wil test me more often.
I aske to her if you only need to do this test once and she said no! this test will come back every time you need to pass a medical exam.
I dont understand that because as far as I know colour weaknes can not develop. You got it or not!
Tell me wich AMC said that because I will test myself there in the future.
thanks
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From: Uk
Hi Glom,
Who said that to you?? There where some people who said that to me 2.
But not so long ago I spoke a lady from the JAA in Holland.
This lady judges the medical applications. She told me that if I pass an alternate colour test, that they wil test me more often.
I aske to her if you only need to do this test once and she said no! this test will come back every time you need to pass a medical exam.
I dont understand that because as far as I know colour weaknes can not develop. You got it or not!
Tell me wich AMC said that because I will test myself there in the future.
thanks
Who said that to you?? There where some people who said that to me 2.
But not so long ago I spoke a lady from the JAA in Holland.
This lady judges the medical applications. She told me that if I pass an alternate colour test, that they wil test me more often.
I aske to her if you only need to do this test once and she said no! this test will come back every time you need to pass a medical exam.
I dont understand that because as far as I know colour weaknes can not develop. You got it or not!
Tell me wich AMC said that because I will test myself there in the future.
thanks
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From: Birmingham
I wasn't given anything specific. I obviously have my unrestricted class 2 certificate, which I couldn't possibly have if I wasn't colour safe. Mr. Chorley told me that they would have the results on record and hence they would know I was colour safe at any medicals.
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From: Birmingham
I wasn't given anything specific. I obviously have my unrestricted class 2 certificate, which I couldn't possibly have if I wasn't colour safe. Mr. Chorley told me that they would have the results on record and hence they would know I was colour safe at any medicals.
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From: Uk
mmmm interesting. I think I will test myself in England if I pass it.
She said to that they will test me more often because you passed a alternate test. But if they say something else in england I will go too them.
PS GLOM you posses an unrestricted 2nd class medical? and you pass the alternate colour test??
Why did't you try class 1?? The requirements are the same for alternate colourtests?? A class 1 is automaticly valid for all the other classes.
A class 2 is not valid as class 1 and the alternate colour test is exactly the same.
maybe I am wrong but I believe I heard that somewhere.
greetingzzzzz
She said to that they will test me more often because you passed a alternate test. But if they say something else in england I will go too them.
PS GLOM you posses an unrestricted 2nd class medical? and you pass the alternate colour test??
Why did't you try class 1?? The requirements are the same for alternate colourtests?? A class 1 is automaticly valid for all the other classes.
A class 2 is not valid as class 1 and the alternate colour test is exactly the same.
maybe I am wrong but I believe I heard that somewhere.
greetingzzzzz
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From: Uk
mmmm interesting. I think I will test myself in England if I pass it.
She said to that they will test me more often because you passed a alternate test. But if they say something else in england I will go too them.
PS GLOM you posses an unrestricted 2nd class medical? and you pass the alternate colour test??
Why did't you try class 1?? The requirements are the same for alternate colourtests?? A class 1 is automaticly valid for all the other classes.
A class 2 is not valid as class 1 and the alternate colour test is exactly the same.
maybe I am wrong but I believe I heard that somewhere.
greetingzzzzz
She said to that they will test me more often because you passed a alternate test. But if they say something else in england I will go too them.
PS GLOM you posses an unrestricted 2nd class medical? and you pass the alternate colour test??
Why did't you try class 1?? The requirements are the same for alternate colourtests?? A class 1 is automaticly valid for all the other classes.
A class 2 is not valid as class 1 and the alternate colour test is exactly the same.
maybe I am wrong but I believe I heard that somewhere.
greetingzzzzz
Joined: Jan 2004
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From: ireland
Airport Lights Test
Hi All,
Can I thank you all for your interesting and informative discussion on this matter? You helped me get up the courage to go for my first class 2 medical - I was terrified that I would fail it completely as I knew that I was somewhat colour deficient - thankfully I passed, but I'm limited to VFR within the state.
Interestingly, while I failed the Ishihara miserably (only got 3 out of 24), I passed two other tests which the AME did on me - a "Chords" test, where you are shown coloured chords, and another test in which you look into a "box" through lenses and see plates similar to Ishihara - I could see all of these.
Consequently, the AME advises me to go to the AMS/AMC? to see if I can have the limitation lifted. Here is my real question - Finally!!!
In my jurisdiction, the alternative test is an "Airport Lights Test". Does anyone know what this entails? Will the only lights that I am shown be red and green or will there also be other colours or a white light? If I fail it once, is that it, can I not ever try again?
I know that the best would be to get straight onto the AMC, but I would like to have some idea what to expect first.
Thanks all in advance for your help.
Can I thank you all for your interesting and informative discussion on this matter? You helped me get up the courage to go for my first class 2 medical - I was terrified that I would fail it completely as I knew that I was somewhat colour deficient - thankfully I passed, but I'm limited to VFR within the state.
Interestingly, while I failed the Ishihara miserably (only got 3 out of 24), I passed two other tests which the AME did on me - a "Chords" test, where you are shown coloured chords, and another test in which you look into a "box" through lenses and see plates similar to Ishihara - I could see all of these.
Consequently, the AME advises me to go to the AMS/AMC? to see if I can have the limitation lifted. Here is my real question - Finally!!!
In my jurisdiction, the alternative test is an "Airport Lights Test". Does anyone know what this entails? Will the only lights that I am shown be red and green or will there also be other colours or a white light? If I fail it once, is that it, can I not ever try again?
I know that the best would be to get straight onto the AMC, but I would like to have some idea what to expect first.
Thanks all in advance for your help.
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From: ireland
Airport Lights Test
Hi All,
Can I thank you all for your interesting and informative discussion on this matter? You helped me get up the courage to go for my first class 2 medical - I was terrified that I would fail it completely as I knew that I was somewhat colour deficient - thankfully I passed, but I'm limited to VFR within the state.
Interestingly, while I failed the Ishihara miserably (only got 3 out of 24), I passed two other tests which the AME did on me - a "Chords" test, where you are shown coloured chords, and another test in which you look into a "box" through lenses and see plates similar to Ishihara - I could see all of these.
Consequently, the AME advises me to go to the AMS/AMC? to see if I can have the limitation lifted. Here is my real question - Finally!!!
In my jurisdiction, the alternative test is an "Airport Lights Test". Does anyone know what this entails? Will the only lights that I am shown be red and green or will there also be other colours or a white light? If I fail it once, is that it, can I not ever try again?
I know that the best would be to get straight onto the AMC, but I would like to have some idea what to expect first.
Thanks all in advance for your help.
Can I thank you all for your interesting and informative discussion on this matter? You helped me get up the courage to go for my first class 2 medical - I was terrified that I would fail it completely as I knew that I was somewhat colour deficient - thankfully I passed, but I'm limited to VFR within the state.
Interestingly, while I failed the Ishihara miserably (only got 3 out of 24), I passed two other tests which the AME did on me - a "Chords" test, where you are shown coloured chords, and another test in which you look into a "box" through lenses and see plates similar to Ishihara - I could see all of these.
Consequently, the AME advises me to go to the AMS/AMC? to see if I can have the limitation lifted. Here is my real question - Finally!!!
In my jurisdiction, the alternative test is an "Airport Lights Test". Does anyone know what this entails? Will the only lights that I am shown be red and green or will there also be other colours or a white light? If I fail it once, is that it, can I not ever try again?
I know that the best would be to get straight onto the AMC, but I would like to have some idea what to expect first.
Thanks all in advance for your help.
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From: Worcester UK
CAA Colour Vison Test
I took the Colour Vision Test down at CAA Headquartes in Gatwcik last week but failed on the beynes because I thought that the colours were only going to be Red White or Green but when the Blue light came up I said it was Green because I din't think that there was a blue one! I din't say anything at the time and went on to the Holmes Wright which I failed. Does anyone know if I can redo the test just with the Beynes Lantern and that be enought to get my Class One medical?
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From: Worcester UK
CAA Colour Vison Test
I took the Colour Vision Test down at CAA Headquartes in Gatwcik last week but failed on the beynes because I thought that the colours were only going to be Red White or Green but when the Blue light came up I said it was Green because I din't think that there was a blue one! I din't say anything at the time and went on to the Holmes Wright which I failed. Does anyone know if I can redo the test just with the Beynes Lantern and that be enought to get my Class One medical?
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From: Surrey
I'm nearly 100% sure that the CAA won't let you retake the test, which I think is very unfair. I failed the beyne test in June in what I think was pretty unfair situation. The colour that they said was white was blatently not white. it was a very yellow beige, not the sort of dulux white i was expecting. I said it was yellow but as soon as I saw the real yellow in the test I knew I'd failed it.
I'm looking into doing a class 1 in france, its a JAA state and so the CAA have to accept it. Let me know if your interested.
I'm looking into doing a class 1 in france, its a JAA state and so the CAA have to accept it. Let me know if your interested.
Last edited by Blinkz; 29th January 2004 at 22:06.