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Helicopter raises village anger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/3831965.stm
People in the sleepy Cornish hamlet of Trewen near Launceston are furious that one of the residents has based a helicopter at his home.
They say it is noisy and scares livestock.
And the district council is taking action to restrict flights and have a hangar removed.
The owner, retired businessman Shaun Griffin, says he is acting within the law and does not need planning permission.
'Absolutely horrifying'
Mr Griffin said: "The helicopter is for pleasure use and will be used a maximum of three or four times a week.
"Landing and take off takes only five minutes, it does not operate on any flight path and the noise level is low."
Bill Hutchings, who has lived in the village for 50 years, said: "It's an intrusion into a rural area - the hangar looks appalling - and it's going to cause a lot of disruption."
Artist Mark Gibbons, who moved to Trewen six months ago, said: "I came here to work in a quiet village and having a helicopter landing and taking off 100m from my home is absolutely horrifying."
North Cornwall District Council has issued enforcement notices to stop any unauthorised use of the helicopter and is ordering the removal of the hangar because it does not have planning permission.
But Mr Griffin said the hangar was a temporary building and did not need planning permission and he would appeal.
If the council does not withdraw the notices, they take effect in the middle of next month and Mr Griffin will have 28 days to comply.
If he appeals against the notices the final outcome will be decided by the planning inspectorate.
People in the sleepy Cornish hamlet of Trewen near Launceston are furious that one of the residents has based a helicopter at his home.
They say it is noisy and scares livestock.
And the district council is taking action to restrict flights and have a hangar removed.
The owner, retired businessman Shaun Griffin, says he is acting within the law and does not need planning permission.
'Absolutely horrifying'
Mr Griffin said: "The helicopter is for pleasure use and will be used a maximum of three or four times a week.
"Landing and take off takes only five minutes, it does not operate on any flight path and the noise level is low."
Bill Hutchings, who has lived in the village for 50 years, said: "It's an intrusion into a rural area - the hangar looks appalling - and it's going to cause a lot of disruption."
Artist Mark Gibbons, who moved to Trewen six months ago, said: "I came here to work in a quiet village and having a helicopter landing and taking off 100m from my home is absolutely horrifying."
North Cornwall District Council has issued enforcement notices to stop any unauthorised use of the helicopter and is ordering the removal of the hangar because it does not have planning permission.
But Mr Griffin said the hangar was a temporary building and did not need planning permission and he would appeal.
If the council does not withdraw the notices, they take effect in the middle of next month and Mr Griffin will have 28 days to comply.
If he appeals against the notices the final outcome will be decided by the planning inspectorate.
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i agree its a terrible intrusion and should be stoped imediately
and allow the poor chap to fly in to his house whenever he wishes
my support goes for him and wish him the best of luck
steve
and allow the poor chap to fly in to his house whenever he wishes
my support goes for him and wish him the best of luck
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NOISE?
YOU CAN BET YOUR LIFE THAT FARMER BROWNS TRACTOR IS NOISIER, AND AS FOR MR ARTIST WHY DOESNT HE TRY PAINTING PICTURES OF HELICOPTERS?
AS FOR THE hangar A FRIEND OF MINE WAS REFUSED PLANNING PERMISSION FOR A hangar SO HE CALLED IT A COWSHED AND JUST BY COINCEDENCE HIS R22 FITS IN IT A TREAT.
I BET NO ONE MOANS WHEN A NOISY MOPED GOES PAST THEIR HOUSE 20 ODD TIMES A WEEK
AS FOR THE hangar A FRIEND OF MINE WAS REFUSED PLANNING PERMISSION FOR A hangar SO HE CALLED IT A COWSHED AND JUST BY COINCEDENCE HIS R22 FITS IN IT A TREAT.
I BET NO ONE MOANS WHEN A NOISY MOPED GOES PAST THEIR HOUSE 20 ODD TIMES A WEEK
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Before aviation I worked in construction.
Working on a house one day the owner arrived, fuming and shaking his fist at a military chopper passing overhead, muttering about making a formal complaint etc etc.
"Did you buy this property on a weekend?" I asked.
"Errr, yes" was the reply.
I then handed him a copy of that days newspaper, the front page celebrating 25 years of operation of said type of chopper from a nearby airbase.
He never realised he had bought, under the circuit, near a base that had been there for 50 years, operating choppers for the last 25.
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Working on a house one day the owner arrived, fuming and shaking his fist at a military chopper passing overhead, muttering about making a formal complaint etc etc.
"Did you buy this property on a weekend?" I asked.
"Errr, yes" was the reply.
I then handed him a copy of that days newspaper, the front page celebrating 25 years of operation of said type of chopper from a nearby airbase.
He never realised he had bought, under the circuit, near a base that had been there for 50 years, operating choppers for the last 25.
******.
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There's nothing like making your mind up well in advance....
"Bill Hutchings, who has lived in the village for 50 years, said: "It's an intrusion into a rural area - the hangar looks appalling - and it's going to cause a lot of disruption."
Good on ya Bill
"Bill Hutchings, who has lived in the village for 50 years, said: "It's an intrusion into a rural area - the hangar looks appalling - and it's going to cause a lot of disruption."
Good on ya Bill
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Mr griffin is starting down a long road I hope he is sucessful !
I have an ongoing battle with my local planners
they have not only enforced against use more than 28 days each year but have also applied an article 4 driection notice that removes the 28 days !
They have even suggested the use of compulsary purchase to stop the use.
the good news is that they have to pay compensation (may be up to £300K !)
I am enageged with QC and preparing a case in the land tribunal to have this matter resolved (compensation paid)
I have a wealth of leagal papers, president and QC opinion that may help Mr Griffin, perhaps he would like to contact me
good luck
Ian
I have an ongoing battle with my local planners
they have not only enforced against use more than 28 days each year but have also applied an article 4 driection notice that removes the 28 days !
They have even suggested the use of compulsary purchase to stop the use.
the good news is that they have to pay compensation (may be up to £300K !)
I am enageged with QC and preparing a case in the land tribunal to have this matter resolved (compensation paid)
I have a wealth of leagal papers, president and QC opinion that may help Mr Griffin, perhaps he would like to contact me
good luck
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A pal of mine was recently 'accosted' by a women at a village fete who was collecting signatures on a petition against aircraft operating out of Denham airfield which were allegedly 'flying over peoples houses' (what a disgrace!). He politely asked her if she had ever flown in an aeroplane, to which she answered 'of course, I have when I go on holiday'. He said that he was quite surprised as he'd expected her reply to be that she hadn't, since it was clear she didn't mind flying over people's houses herself! With that, she scurried away mumbling to herself!!
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I'm not shouting anyone down, but look at it from the existing residents' POV.
Mr G (retired, perhaps bought the house here when he retired) lives in a hamlets (so perhaps 20-30 houses max). A quick look at my OS 50,000 map shows it to be very compact also and a resident says, unconfirmed, that the helo is 100 yards away.
Others (some for as long as 50 years) enjoy the area. OK, there's tractors and lawnmowers, but they are used to them, and they only go along the ground. FYI new lawnmowers now have a legal max noise level, but that's less significant. Tractors don't make a huge din, and they move along, as farmers don't make enough money to do the job at walking pace.
In moves our Mr G, puts up a building without PP (bet you'd be pissed if yr neighbour put up a place big enough to house a helo right next to your conservatory) and proceeds to land his helo.
You've never been near a helo - except perhaps seen the RN/RAF ones on exercise (and where possible they minimise using the same LL routes day in day out), and the idea of one at 150' close to your house is frightening (certainly scared my 3 yr old when a Gazelle landed in his school playing field). You're not a petrol/Jet A1 head either, probably more at home with Bill Oddie than Top Gear.
Mr G then proceeds to use his helo when he likes, say 6-8 times a week - well my grass grows fast, but even my Mrs can't get me to mow it more than every 4 days, and no farmer I know ever goes over the same field that often every week, 52 weeks/yr. If you've got a minute just work out how high he'd be at normal glideslope when 200m out, not very high is it?
Mr G is clearly a clever man, what with buying a nice house, affording a PPL(H) and buying a nice helo, so how come he didn't think to ring the planning officer at the council and say "is it OK if I use my lawn/paddock to land my very qiet helo? and BTW can I put up a big shed to keep it warm and dry?"
He didn't, by all accounts, or if he did he'd have been told what they have said to the BBC - 28 days per year, max, although there may be a loophole, if the spot is actually in his garden, not his field (curtilage is the word).
So he continued, and now he's got a fight on.
Clearly someone who buys a place next to an airfield/pigfarm and then complains about the noise/smell is very foolish, but if the airfield/pigfarm gets put up, with no notice or consultation, they get upset, with some reason.
I hope Mr G does get to use his new helo from home, but I also hope he doesn't spoil it for the rest of the village, who so far have had no choice as to whether he did so.
GA needs to make friends, not enemies, and if that means playing by their rules. regardless of what we think of them, then maybe that's a better way. All you'll do otherwise is fill the lawyers' pockets (see prevous post)
Mr G (retired, perhaps bought the house here when he retired) lives in a hamlets (so perhaps 20-30 houses max). A quick look at my OS 50,000 map shows it to be very compact also and a resident says, unconfirmed, that the helo is 100 yards away.
Others (some for as long as 50 years) enjoy the area. OK, there's tractors and lawnmowers, but they are used to them, and they only go along the ground. FYI new lawnmowers now have a legal max noise level, but that's less significant. Tractors don't make a huge din, and they move along, as farmers don't make enough money to do the job at walking pace.
In moves our Mr G, puts up a building without PP (bet you'd be pissed if yr neighbour put up a place big enough to house a helo right next to your conservatory) and proceeds to land his helo.
You've never been near a helo - except perhaps seen the RN/RAF ones on exercise (and where possible they minimise using the same LL routes day in day out), and the idea of one at 150' close to your house is frightening (certainly scared my 3 yr old when a Gazelle landed in his school playing field). You're not a petrol/Jet A1 head either, probably more at home with Bill Oddie than Top Gear.
Mr G then proceeds to use his helo when he likes, say 6-8 times a week - well my grass grows fast, but even my Mrs can't get me to mow it more than every 4 days, and no farmer I know ever goes over the same field that often every week, 52 weeks/yr. If you've got a minute just work out how high he'd be at normal glideslope when 200m out, not very high is it?
Mr G is clearly a clever man, what with buying a nice house, affording a PPL(H) and buying a nice helo, so how come he didn't think to ring the planning officer at the council and say "is it OK if I use my lawn/paddock to land my very qiet helo? and BTW can I put up a big shed to keep it warm and dry?"
He didn't, by all accounts, or if he did he'd have been told what they have said to the BBC - 28 days per year, max, although there may be a loophole, if the spot is actually in his garden, not his field (curtilage is the word).
So he continued, and now he's got a fight on.
Clearly someone who buys a place next to an airfield/pigfarm and then complains about the noise/smell is very foolish, but if the airfield/pigfarm gets put up, with no notice or consultation, they get upset, with some reason.
I hope Mr G does get to use his new helo from home, but I also hope he doesn't spoil it for the rest of the village, who so far have had no choice as to whether he did so.
GA needs to make friends, not enemies, and if that means playing by their rules. regardless of what we think of them, then maybe that's a better way. All you'll do otherwise is fill the lawyers' pockets (see prevous post)
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this one does not seem to be going away. From the Daily Mail yesterday...
Our Helicopter Hell ; Villagers Fight Neighbour Over Their Shattered Peace and the Big Blue Hangar at the Bottom of the Garden
Source: Daily Mail; London (UK)
Publication date: 2004-07-06
WHEN Bob and Sheila Lawes moved to the hamlet of Trewen 18 months ago, they found total tranquillity.
Their house overlooked the unspoilt Inney Valley, on the edge of Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, and the only sound came from birds and farm animals.
Now, however, the view from their sittingroom window often consists of a neighbour's large, black, jet-powered helicopter.
And when it takes off, with businessman Shaun Griffin at the controls, the noise is excruciating.
To make matters worse, he has installed a large blue hangar on his land to house his executive toy.
Outraged at the breach of their peace, the villagers are demanding action against 44-year-old Mr Griffin and his Hughes 369.
North Cornwall District Council has obtained an enforcement notice to ground the helicopter from July 15.
But the demon pilot warned yesterday that he would not surrender without a fight.
Mr Griffin moved into his Pounds 350,000 bungalow in three acres last Christmas, weeks before he sold off Eurotech, a double-glazing firm in nearby Liskeard.
He is understood to have separated from his wife and lives in his new home with his three-year-old son. He bought the helicopter in March and installed the hangar without seeking planning permission.
Mr and Mrs Lawes moved to Cornwall from Oxford in search of a quieter lifestyle after Mr Lawes suffered heart problems.
His 46-year-old wife, a business consultant, said: 'The helicopter is quite sinister. It is black with blacked-out windows. It's quite a sight in the back garden.
'And the noise is pretty terrible.
It's got a jet engine, so it's the most extreme sound you can imagine.
'People are concerned about safety. He is taking off and landing right outside our houses, which has got to be dangerous.' Mrs Lawes said Mr Griffin had told them that he planned to retire after selling his business for Left: Shaun Griffin. Above: His jet- powered helicopter as seen from the sitting room of Bob and Sheila Lawes, pictured right Pounds 800,000. Another homeowner said: 'You hear of neighbour disputes over music or noisy building work but parking a helicopter in this hamlet is just outrageous.
'Every morning I wake up and hope this is all a bad dream.' Herdsman Graham Frayne, 47, the parish council chairman, said: 'This chap has caused no end of trouble and doesn't seem to care two hoots. The noise is upsetting animals, particularly horses.' Villagers say the helicopter mercifully developed a fault which has stopped it flying for the past month.
But the entire valley was recently filled with black smoke as Mr Griffin attempted to carry out repairs.
Aviation experts said Mr Griffin appeared to be doing nothing wrong under air regulations which state that in a non- congested area, pilots are not permitted to fly within 500ft of a person, vessel, vehicle or structure but the rules do not apply for take- offs and landings.
A Civil Aviation Authority spokesman said: 'If they think the pilot is conforming with regulations but causing a disturbance then we would recommend starting a constructive dialogue.' Villagers doubt, however, that a friendly chat will help and are hoping the newcomer will be held to account under planning regulations. The Town and Country Planning Act 1990 allows permitted development building without planning permission in certain circumstances but anything built in a field requires the permission-of the local authority.
A defiant Mr Griffin, who also drives a BMW and a Mercedes, said: 'The helicopter is housed in a temporary hangar which does not need planning permission.
'My solicitor's view is that we are within our development rights and we are hoping to persuade the council to withdraw the notices. If that doesn't happen we are likely to appeal.' Eurotech's new managing director, Phillip Barbour, warned the people of Trewen his predecessor would fight to the bitter end.
'He's a hard-nosed businessman who won't let anything get in the way of what he wants to do,' he said. 'And one reason he sold his firm was to buy the helicopter.'
Our Helicopter Hell ; Villagers Fight Neighbour Over Their Shattered Peace and the Big Blue Hangar at the Bottom of the Garden
Source: Daily Mail; London (UK)
Publication date: 2004-07-06
WHEN Bob and Sheila Lawes moved to the hamlet of Trewen 18 months ago, they found total tranquillity.
Their house overlooked the unspoilt Inney Valley, on the edge of Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, and the only sound came from birds and farm animals.
Now, however, the view from their sittingroom window often consists of a neighbour's large, black, jet-powered helicopter.
And when it takes off, with businessman Shaun Griffin at the controls, the noise is excruciating.
To make matters worse, he has installed a large blue hangar on his land to house his executive toy.
Outraged at the breach of their peace, the villagers are demanding action against 44-year-old Mr Griffin and his Hughes 369.
North Cornwall District Council has obtained an enforcement notice to ground the helicopter from July 15.
But the demon pilot warned yesterday that he would not surrender without a fight.
Mr Griffin moved into his Pounds 350,000 bungalow in three acres last Christmas, weeks before he sold off Eurotech, a double-glazing firm in nearby Liskeard.
He is understood to have separated from his wife and lives in his new home with his three-year-old son. He bought the helicopter in March and installed the hangar without seeking planning permission.
Mr and Mrs Lawes moved to Cornwall from Oxford in search of a quieter lifestyle after Mr Lawes suffered heart problems.
His 46-year-old wife, a business consultant, said: 'The helicopter is quite sinister. It is black with blacked-out windows. It's quite a sight in the back garden.
'And the noise is pretty terrible.
It's got a jet engine, so it's the most extreme sound you can imagine.
'People are concerned about safety. He is taking off and landing right outside our houses, which has got to be dangerous.' Mrs Lawes said Mr Griffin had told them that he planned to retire after selling his business for Left: Shaun Griffin. Above: His jet- powered helicopter as seen from the sitting room of Bob and Sheila Lawes, pictured right Pounds 800,000. Another homeowner said: 'You hear of neighbour disputes over music or noisy building work but parking a helicopter in this hamlet is just outrageous.
'Every morning I wake up and hope this is all a bad dream.' Herdsman Graham Frayne, 47, the parish council chairman, said: 'This chap has caused no end of trouble and doesn't seem to care two hoots. The noise is upsetting animals, particularly horses.' Villagers say the helicopter mercifully developed a fault which has stopped it flying for the past month.
But the entire valley was recently filled with black smoke as Mr Griffin attempted to carry out repairs.
Aviation experts said Mr Griffin appeared to be doing nothing wrong under air regulations which state that in a non- congested area, pilots are not permitted to fly within 500ft of a person, vessel, vehicle or structure but the rules do not apply for take- offs and landings.
A Civil Aviation Authority spokesman said: 'If they think the pilot is conforming with regulations but causing a disturbance then we would recommend starting a constructive dialogue.' Villagers doubt, however, that a friendly chat will help and are hoping the newcomer will be held to account under planning regulations. The Town and Country Planning Act 1990 allows permitted development building without planning permission in certain circumstances but anything built in a field requires the permission-of the local authority.
A defiant Mr Griffin, who also drives a BMW and a Mercedes, said: 'The helicopter is housed in a temporary hangar which does not need planning permission.
'My solicitor's view is that we are within our development rights and we are hoping to persuade the council to withdraw the notices. If that doesn't happen we are likely to appeal.' Eurotech's new managing director, Phillip Barbour, warned the people of Trewen his predecessor would fight to the bitter end.
'He's a hard-nosed businessman who won't let anything get in the way of what he wants to do,' he said. 'And one reason he sold his firm was to buy the helicopter.'
'The helicopter is quite sinister. It is black with blacked-out windows.
The noise is upsetting animals, particularly horses
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Mr Griffin ....... sold off Eurotech, a double-glazing firm
'He's a hard-nosed businessman who won't let anything get in the way of what he wants to do,'
Makes it that much worse for the next person who wants to site/use his helo from home.
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If the photograph in the Daily Mail is accurate, and not taken from some odd angle to make it look worse in order to enhance the story line, then being a fair and reasonable person I would say, sadly, this heli pilot chappie is out of order.
With that particular photograph in mind, why did he( the Heli pilot) not put the folding shelter(no planning required, for it is not higher than 4.6 mtrs, nor is it static, in other words it is temporary) in front of his own house, did he not think for one minute that his placing of this folding structure would incense his new neighbour.
Whilst an ardent fan of all things Heli wise, my feelings are that this Pilot is not being very bright, however again according to the Dmail, he sold his business for £800K, I think his money will run out before the neighbour or local planners take him to court!
With that particular photograph in mind, why did he( the Heli pilot) not put the folding shelter(no planning required, for it is not higher than 4.6 mtrs, nor is it static, in other words it is temporary) in front of his own house, did he not think for one minute that his placing of this folding structure would incense his new neighbour.
Whilst an ardent fan of all things Heli wise, my feelings are that this Pilot is not being very bright, however again according to the Dmail, he sold his business for £800K, I think his money will run out before the neighbour or local planners take him to court!
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He is taking off and landing right outside our houses, which has got to be dangerous
Villagers say the helicopter mercifully developed a fault which has stopped it flying for the past month.
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:He is taking off and landing right outside our houses, which has got to be dangerous
erm...not really, no...
The real issue is the risk - probably much, much smaller than said lady falling down the stairs /cutting herself with the kitchen knife / scalding herself with the kettle.
Anyone have any figures for injuries sustained to a person on the ground from a falling aircraft in UK?
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"How do you get yourself a small fortune?
Start off with a big fortune and buy a helicopter!"
I'm no accountant but with this money made from his company;
Bought house @ £350K
Bal -350K
Sold business @ £800K
Bal £450K
Bought heli @ £200K (price from
here as a guidline)
Bal £250K (previous balances assumed 'tied up for security)
Not allowing for 'living' costs, car running costs (BMW & Merc), wife/girlfriend costs and general entertainment/pastimes, £250K doesn't seem to be a fortune of any description.
Midlife crisis coming on?
With it being a temporary hangar, perhaps this will all be over once the weather starts to change.
One solution;
As this is happening Liskeard way, I'm sure Mr Griffin would probably be better off talking to Castle Air who are nearby. Proper hangarage, facilities and security etc, it may cost a bit but with this guys 'finances' this shouldn't be a problem. Better for all.
IMHO, Maybe a simple case of, "Oi you, shut your mouth and look at my wad!"....
...for the time being anyway!
SS says, Griff, take the neighbours up for a ride, while you can.
Start off with a big fortune and buy a helicopter!"
I'm no accountant but with this money made from his company;
Bought house @ £350K
Bal -350K
Sold business @ £800K
Bal £450K
Bought heli @ £200K (price from
here as a guidline)
Bal £250K (previous balances assumed 'tied up for security)
Not allowing for 'living' costs, car running costs (BMW & Merc), wife/girlfriend costs and general entertainment/pastimes, £250K doesn't seem to be a fortune of any description.
Midlife crisis coming on?
With it being a temporary hangar, perhaps this will all be over once the weather starts to change.
One solution;
As this is happening Liskeard way, I'm sure Mr Griffin would probably be better off talking to Castle Air who are nearby. Proper hangarage, facilities and security etc, it may cost a bit but with this guys 'finances' this shouldn't be a problem. Better for all.
IMHO, Maybe a simple case of, "Oi you, shut your mouth and look at my wad!"....
...for the time being anyway!
SS says, Griff, take the neighbours up for a ride, while you can.
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Having learned a little more about Mr Griffin's attitude to people he thinks have crossed him, I've removed my supportive post.
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Mr Griffin moved into his £350,000 bungalow in three acres last Christmas, weeks before he sold off Eurotech, a double-glazing firm in nearby Liskeard.
'And the noise is pretty terrible....It's got a jet engine, so it's the most extreme sound you can imagine
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Mr Griffin - take the advice that I've heard. Tell the Chairman of the PC and all the other local obectors that if you can't have your helicopter there with their blessing, you will sell the land to Gypsies - it happened too jolly close to me for real and a squadron of helicopters would have been preferable! But then in Cornwall I suppose they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the caravans.
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I think Sheila Lawes (see articles above) is actually Hyacinth Bucket in disguise! Despite having lived in the village only 18 months, she has already set herself up as "Clerk to the Parish" - see copy letter about this issue from her to the local "Post" newspaper
here.
here.