Helicopter raises village anger
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I only wish the Gypos next to my dad's house would buy a helicopter. maybe then the council would be arsed to do something about them. Though *their* lack of planning permission hasn't caused them the hassle this guy's hangar has..
Hmm.. maybe he could compromise to reduce the noise level by half by doing engine-off auto landings?
Si
Hmm.. maybe he could compromise to reduce the noise level by half by doing engine-off auto landings?
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Bad press for us all really
A few nights ago, I was surprised to see Mr Griffin featured in a bad light on a UK TV show called 'Neighbours from Hell'. As you might imagine, the media had a field day with this one and it really didn't do the helicopter owning fraternity any good at all. There's certainly a moral in this: Make sure you get your neighbours on side before you start moving your heli in with you - as has far more eloquently been explained before.
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Ministerial reply
Interesting stuff.
I would like to read the full ministerial reply in the House of Lords 2002. Anybody out there able to point me in the right direction?
I took advice before learning to fly the heli and deciding to operate it from home. I operate from the forecourt of my private garages directly behind the house ie 'within the curtilage'. My hangar dimensions conform to 'permitted development.'
I have spoken to my neighbours and only 1 farmer - who presumably is 100 times more upset by the frequent low flying military jets, Hercs, Chinooks etc than my 44 ( flying out at no less than 500 ft above his farm on the climbout) - has asked me to modify my flightpath and also asked if I had some grazing for him.
'No problem, and yes I can offer you 12 acres of grazing. I dont want any money for it either'.
Job done.
Another neighbour was very supportive. 'Thanks for speaking to me about it - no problem. Would you like a brace of ducks and could I ask you to take my Grandson and I for a flight over Christmas?'
Job done again.
Moral - Follow the advice of my fellow posters and keep your neighbours sweet!
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I would like to read the full ministerial reply in the House of Lords 2002. Anybody out there able to point me in the right direction?
I took advice before learning to fly the heli and deciding to operate it from home. I operate from the forecourt of my private garages directly behind the house ie 'within the curtilage'. My hangar dimensions conform to 'permitted development.'
I have spoken to my neighbours and only 1 farmer - who presumably is 100 times more upset by the frequent low flying military jets, Hercs, Chinooks etc than my 44 ( flying out at no less than 500 ft above his farm on the climbout) - has asked me to modify my flightpath and also asked if I had some grazing for him.
'No problem, and yes I can offer you 12 acres of grazing. I dont want any money for it either'.
Job done.
Another neighbour was very supportive. 'Thanks for speaking to me about it - no problem. Would you like a brace of ducks and could I ask you to take my Grandson and I for a flight over Christmas?'
Job done again.
Moral - Follow the advice of my fellow posters and keep your neighbours sweet!
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I had the same experience, where people were supposedly complaining and when I offered free flights all the complaints stopped and only a couple of children from the local "estate" wanted a ride .
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Absolutely the right way to manage it HP. I have a standing open offer to anybody in the village to give them a ride. The guy who owns most of the fields around also uses my land for free grazing.
Anybody who wants an aerial photoshot of their house is welcome to come up with their camera and take it themselves.
The DHFS at Shawbury use my field for practice diversions and all the village kids love it - so do the adults.
When local political issues arise like people applying for planning permission, I keep strictly neutral and never take sides.
It is all about good PR and keeping friends with all the locals.
Anybody who wants an aerial photoshot of their house is welcome to come up with their camera and take it themselves.
The DHFS at Shawbury use my field for practice diversions and all the village kids love it - so do the adults.
When local political issues arise like people applying for planning permission, I keep strictly neutral and never take sides.
It is all about good PR and keeping friends with all the locals.
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Helicopter angers villagers
Lets get a few facts straight.
1) I know Mr Griffin and I've also got to know his neighbours. They did not, as has been suggested (no doubt based on a lie told by Griffin) chop 4ft off the top of their hedge. Why would they? So that they could see yet more of the hangar? I've seen estate agents photographs of the property when the neighbours bought it and the hedge is exactly the same height as when the hangar was put up.
2) He said the neighbours had been prosecuted for filming him. This is also a lie. Why would ITV show their footage on national telivision if it was illegal to take photo' of him from inside their property. What absolute rubbish!
This guy cannot be trusted. He does no good for responsible helicopter owners. It's about time someone told him.
1) I know Mr Griffin and I've also got to know his neighbours. They did not, as has been suggested (no doubt based on a lie told by Griffin) chop 4ft off the top of their hedge. Why would they? So that they could see yet more of the hangar? I've seen estate agents photographs of the property when the neighbours bought it and the hedge is exactly the same height as when the hangar was put up.
2) He said the neighbours had been prosecuted for filming him. This is also a lie. Why would ITV show their footage on national telivision if it was illegal to take photo' of him from inside their property. What absolute rubbish!
This guy cannot be trusted. He does no good for responsible helicopter owners. It's about time someone told him.
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I wonder if all this complaining about noise and smell would continue after the first Air Ambulance /HEMS rescue saved the life of one of the villagers.
Technology and progress is eating up the lovely countryside. The begrudgers are as militant as the heli's are noisy......and that status quo will remain for some time!
All a load of nonsense. Next thing will be barring of Harley Davidson Sportsters....but allowing an old BSA to roam around...after all it is British....Villagers get used to it....noise is part of life.....envy and jealousy is as well. As for the sensitive individuals who find the noise horrifying....wear some earplugs for 2 minutes...might even protect your very clean ears!!!!
Technology and progress is eating up the lovely countryside. The begrudgers are as militant as the heli's are noisy......and that status quo will remain for some time!
All a load of nonsense. Next thing will be barring of Harley Davidson Sportsters....but allowing an old BSA to roam around...after all it is British....Villagers get used to it....noise is part of life.....envy and jealousy is as well. As for the sensitive individuals who find the noise horrifying....wear some earplugs for 2 minutes...might even protect your very clean ears!!!!
Evan,
Perhaps my grade school math and understanding of physics was contained in some of the millions of brain cells I have destroyed by means of excessive alcohol consumption however....it seems to me that one cuts four feet off a six foot hedge at two feet above the root line. I fail to see where a helicopter could hardly be necessary for that evolution. Give me a pair of shears and the next time I am crawling home from down the pub and I can demonstrate how that is done....especially since it would be at eye height at that time. It might help to have some extra light since I usually get into that condition after leaving the pub or Whirl's place.
Perhaps my grade school math and understanding of physics was contained in some of the millions of brain cells I have destroyed by means of excessive alcohol consumption however....it seems to me that one cuts four feet off a six foot hedge at two feet above the root line. I fail to see where a helicopter could hardly be necessary for that evolution. Give me a pair of shears and the next time I am crawling home from down the pub and I can demonstrate how that is done....especially since it would be at eye height at that time. It might help to have some extra light since I usually get into that condition after leaving the pub or Whirl's place.
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Bert Biscoe can't even drive!
A little late in the thread, but never was too quick off the mark. Xenophobic pricks! The Cornish are a bunch of whinging twits that are so narrow minded and unnecessarily vocal about all things pertaining to the beautiful country (sic) of Cornwall. God forbid anyone have the presence of mind to have a system of beating the archaic roads system with it’s twenty mile tail backs on the A30. Having spent days in traffic jams in Cornwall, I am jealous that I can’t afford my own helicopter to get about. Good luck to you, and all the best with beating the Cornish County Councillors who think a foreign holiday is a two week spell in Plymouth (the same people who levied the taxes on pax passing through the shed that is Newquay Airport).
http://db.cornwall.gov.uk/members/MeDet.asp?me=228 Nothing personal.
http://db.cornwall.gov.uk/members/MeDet.asp?me=228 Nothing personal.
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Somehow I feel you are not really grasping the nettle with this long running saga regarding Mr Griffin.
If you had seen the original pictures you may see things in the perspective of how this guy has gone about his task, and that was clearly to be able to use his Heli from home, but in so doing he placed an ungainly looking building at the farthest point from his house and view, but directly in the full view of his neighbours, now if you are capable of seeing things in that context at your house location you may begin to see why the neighbours kicked off.
And as you can see, the general consensus of opinion on this subject through out this thread is that Mr Griffin has not really endeared himself to his neighbours or to the position of being reasonable, he has effectively made the title Helicopter Pilot able to be seen as non caring, when in fact many of us do care what the neighbours think about us landing at home!!
Vfr
Somehow I feel you are not really grasping the nettle with this long running saga regarding Mr Griffin.
If you had seen the original pictures you may see things in the perspective of how this guy has gone about his task, and that was clearly to be able to use his Heli from home, but in so doing he placed an ungainly looking building at the farthest point from his house and view, but directly in the full view of his neighbours, now if you are capable of seeing things in that context at your house location you may begin to see why the neighbours kicked off.
And as you can see, the general consensus of opinion on this subject through out this thread is that Mr Griffin has not really endeared himself to his neighbours or to the position of being reasonable, he has effectively made the title Helicopter Pilot able to be seen as non caring, when in fact many of us do care what the neighbours think about us landing at home!!
Vfr
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Interestingly after losing Shaun Griffin has now moved his hangar closer to his neighbours and in full view of his back window ! This was done after the planning inspectorate forced him to move it. Seems ironic that the neighbours complain and the planning people make you move it closer ! All to do with curtlige rights.
Actually defies all logic when it could have been put at the bottom of a field well out of view of everyone and a good 100m away. If only Common Sense prevailed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Interestingly after losing Shaun Griffin has now moved his hangar closer to his neighbours and in full view of his back window ! This was done after the planning inspectorate forced him to move it. Seems ironic that the neighbours complain and the planning people make you move it closer ! All to do with curtlige rights.
Actually defies all logic when it could have been put at the bottom of a field well out of view of everyone and a good 100m away. If only Common Sense prevailed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Wha goes around comes around
Interestingly, after moving the hangar he has been told to move it again. The place he moved it to was actually much closer to his own property than the neighbours and if you've seen the photo's you'll understand what a lovely view he now has of his green bubble barn. Anyway he has to move it again, even closer to his property.
When is this guy going to get the message?
When is this guy going to get the message?
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Interestingly after losing Shaun Griffin has now moved his hangar closer to his neighbours and in full view of his back window ! This was done after the planning inspectorate forced him to move it. Seems ironic that the neighbours complain and the planning people make you move it closer ! All to do with curtlige rights.
Actually defies all logic when it could have been put at the bottom of a field well out of view of everyone and a good 100m away. If only Common Sense prevailed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Interestingly after losing Shaun Griffin has now moved his hangar closer to his neighbours and in full view of his back window ! This was done after the planning inspectorate forced him to move it. Seems ironic that the neighbours complain and the planning people make you move it closer ! All to do with curtlige rights.
Actually defies all logic when it could have been put at the bottom of a field well out of view of everyone and a good 100m away. If only Common Sense prevailed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
While Mr G has upset his neighbours he is looking at moving. The council is after blood and Mr G does not want to invest 30k in defending himself, dispite now being in the curtlige of his house
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local opinion
I live less than 10nm from the village in question (Trewin in Cornwall) but do not know the individulas concerned. I am very lucky in that I have my R44 based in a refurbished barn in the curtilege of my farmhouse (fantastic to be able to fly from home avoiding the car completely in the summer).
There is a lot of common sense expressed in this thread about not irritating the locals - free flights go down a treat and are never usually accepted as free as local pride usually means that you will get hay cut and baled, hedges cut, fish or poultry in exchange. All the other stuff about avoiding directly overflying local houses/ varying the route/ asking peoples opinion prior to arriving by air is essential prior to producing the chopper.
My closest neighbours are farmers/builders and live half a mile away - they helped me to refurbish the barn in preparation for the arrival of my R22. They talked to the next neighbour who talked to the next and a feelgood ripple preceded and preempted any complaints.
We have been extremely lucky as far as neighbours are concerned and I was genuinely surprised when I read this string for the first time today that this had happened so close to home in Cornwall.
Rural bliss really does exist - it just needs a little work from time to time.
There is a lot of common sense expressed in this thread about not irritating the locals - free flights go down a treat and are never usually accepted as free as local pride usually means that you will get hay cut and baled, hedges cut, fish or poultry in exchange. All the other stuff about avoiding directly overflying local houses/ varying the route/ asking peoples opinion prior to arriving by air is essential prior to producing the chopper.
My closest neighbours are farmers/builders and live half a mile away - they helped me to refurbish the barn in preparation for the arrival of my R22. They talked to the next neighbour who talked to the next and a feelgood ripple preceded and preempted any complaints.
We have been extremely lucky as far as neighbours are concerned and I was genuinely surprised when I read this string for the first time today that this had happened so close to home in Cornwall.
Rural bliss really does exist - it just needs a little work from time to time.