It made me really sad...
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On the subject of why FR shows the graphic footage of accidents, I think we may all be analysing it a bit too much. It is repeatedly stated in the press and has been for many years that fatal accidents involving R22 affect Frank very much. He is said to take a personal interest in getting to the root of every one of them and I have no reason to disbelieve this. In investigating these accidents then Frank will have seen more mangled bodies of R22's and occupants than most and i'm pretty sure that his thought process it not much more than "If only they had seen what I have to see, then maybe....."
Just a thought.
In addition I agree with most of the sentiments on the thread about the footage shown on the training course. It really shook me up when I saw it and made me ask some very difficult questions of myself...but i'm still flying.
Fly safe.
CRAN
Just a thought.
In addition I agree with most of the sentiments on the thread about the footage shown on the training course. It really shook me up when I saw it and made me ask some very difficult questions of myself...but i'm still flying.
Fly safe.
CRAN
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PPrunefan is right
there is no excuse for not noticing the onset of carb ice or have the situation that ensured the pilot in the video happen.
Yes the video is grim to say the least but as this thread has proven it brought home the point and you never forget.
It is tragic that this person lost his life and that of his wife. the purpose of the video however, is that out of this tragic accident and the full horrors associated with it. what you all saw and the briefing that followed after seeing the video. something is learned.
And as instructors the point is driven home to your students.
SIncerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
there is no excuse for not noticing the onset of carb ice or have the situation that ensured the pilot in the video happen.
Yes the video is grim to say the least but as this thread has proven it brought home the point and you never forget.
It is tragic that this person lost his life and that of his wife. the purpose of the video however, is that out of this tragic accident and the full horrors associated with it. what you all saw and the briefing that followed after seeing the video. something is learned.
And as instructors the point is driven home to your students.
SIncerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
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That video saved my life!
I watched the video in 1996, shortly before going on my first tuna spotting trip. It certainly caught my attention.
A couple of months later, and with only 100 hrs on the R22 I had a real engine failure at 800 ft. Guess if I was quick enough to lower the collective...
A few seconds later we were in the water, floating, in one piece, waiting for the boat to pick us up It took her an hour to get to the place. Helo, observer and pilot were OK, trousers were brown!
Whilst waiting during that hour I thought several times about the video, its effect on me, and how it had sped up the way I had reacted to the engine failure. Consciously or unconsciously, the desired effect had taken place.
A couple of months later, and with only 100 hrs on the R22 I had a real engine failure at 800 ft. Guess if I was quick enough to lower the collective...
A few seconds later we were in the water, floating, in one piece, waiting for the boat to pick us up It took her an hour to get to the place. Helo, observer and pilot were OK, trousers were brown!
Whilst waiting during that hour I thought several times about the video, its effect on me, and how it had sped up the way I had reacted to the engine failure. Consciously or unconsciously, the desired effect had taken place.
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Verticalflights experiance therefore highlights that from this tragic accident good came out of it.
The nature of the graphic and horrific scenes shown had the desired result in his reactions
Well done vertical flight glad you and your obo where ok.
Sincerely
Andy
Bravo 99 (AJB)
The nature of the graphic and horrific scenes shown had the desired result in his reactions
Well done vertical flight glad you and your obo where ok.
Sincerely
Andy
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It is important that people can and do relate to these images.
What we do is immense fun and very rewarding, but as these pictures show ... it's not a game.
(inexperienced) Customers generally think that helicopters can go up, down, left right, spin around etc with impunity and can ask some bizarre things, and apply pressure to have them done. "We're spending a fortune on this shoot ... "
"are you spending as much as $10m, cos that's what the compensation will cost..."
With even third hand experience of accidents it becomes much easier to say no.
I find that explaining to them that if we fly this particular sequence or manouver over this particular spot, we might not get home to see the kids, but it's a fine line between resetting their expectations and parameters and putting them off completely.
How do others do it?
What we do is immense fun and very rewarding, but as these pictures show ... it's not a game.
(inexperienced) Customers generally think that helicopters can go up, down, left right, spin around etc with impunity and can ask some bizarre things, and apply pressure to have them done. "We're spending a fortune on this shoot ... "
"are you spending as much as $10m, cos that's what the compensation will cost..."
With even third hand experience of accidents it becomes much easier to say no.
I find that explaining to them that if we fly this particular sequence or manouver over this particular spot, we might not get home to see the kids, but it's a fine line between resetting their expectations and parameters and putting them off completely.
How do others do it?
