Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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Found this for anyone interested.
8 July 2005
Chief Flying Instructor
Fleet Helicopters
Required for school based in Armidale NSW operating B47 and R22 on training. Successful applicant will be required to do other aerial work with turbine aircraft B206B/L and MD500E.
Remuneration package negotiable.
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Fleet Helicopters
8 July 2005
Chief Flying Instructor
Fleet Helicopters
Required for school based in Armidale NSW operating B47 and R22 on training. Successful applicant will be required to do other aerial work with turbine aircraft B206B/L and MD500E.
Remuneration package negotiable.
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Fleet Helicopters
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This is one for the thread "who is worth working for in Australia". Armidale is a nice country town, plenty of young women with the Uni close by and Fleet seems to be a good company with a good variety of work in the summer on fires etc.
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Helicopter Instructor Rating
Can anyone please give the right details for getting Helicopter Instructor rating?
I have just over 1100 hours (all but 200hours are turbine, Bell 206) and would love to have tha little extra.
Please Help
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I have just over 1100 hours (all but 200hours are turbine, Bell 206) and would love to have tha little extra.
Please Help
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Briefings included...
No matter what operator you choose, make sure that you get briefings during your course. Don't opt for the short course and do the flying course only, as when it comes time to stand infront of a student and brief, you will want to have a little foundation to work off.
My rating was completed in the Illawarra with "Aerowasp", now Camden, and I haven't looked back when it comes to be a little more confidient with a student.
FF
My rating was completed in the Illawarra with "Aerowasp", now Camden, and I haven't looked back when it comes to be a little more confidient with a student.
FF
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Also beware of the scam of a school taking you on for the instructors course, when they do not have an instructor who can recommend you to CASA for testing. That requires a separate authorisation above a Grade 1 with 500 hours instructing, and is not that common.
What some schools have been reported as doing is giving you 38 hours then hawking you round to another school's examiner - who may be unwilling to accept you as he only has your file to go on.
Ask around - in several states - before putting your hard earned dosh down. The two mentioned here are reputable, and I did mine recently with Aerowasp when they were at Illawara.
What some schools have been reported as doing is giving you 38 hours then hawking you round to another school's examiner - who may be unwilling to accept you as he only has your file to go on.
Ask around - in several states - before putting your hard earned dosh down. The two mentioned here are reputable, and I did mine recently with Aerowasp when they were at Illawara.
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Thank you all very much for your replies.
I was one student that did a licence at chopperline a few years ago now.
I had the pleasure of flying with Tub for about 10 hours, yes he was a good instructor, but in my experience at chopperline i had too many instructors trying to teach me the same thing too many ways.
Everyone has their own flying technique and your student will adapt to that.
What does everyone think about the Victorian schools??
Thanks for the cao link will study it!
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I was one student that did a licence at chopperline a few years ago now.
I had the pleasure of flying with Tub for about 10 hours, yes he was a good instructor, but in my experience at chopperline i had too many instructors trying to teach me the same thing too many ways.
Everyone has their own flying technique and your student will adapt to that.
What does everyone think about the Victorian schools??
Thanks for the cao link will study it!
Happy landings
Bell 206
Australasian updates - growth continues - six month report
Australia - Year to 23 Jul ’05.
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1247, an increase of 55 helicopters. The growth over 29 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. The growth rate is holding steady at 8.31%, which is the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 99 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 114 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal attrition due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 30 Jun ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 621, an increase of 24 helicopters. The growth over 26 weeks is 24 helicopters or 0.92 new helicopters on the Register per week. This is an increase in the growth rate from 6.64% to 8%. June has had a growth well above the past twelve month’s average. At this rate of growth there will be an extra 48 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 55 jobs, plus those created by normal attrition.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Most distributors indicate that delays on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, have slowed deliveries in Australasia. Has stock been available, the above figures would have been higher. Australia is holding steady at a growth rate of 8.31% pa and New Zealand has achieved a growth rate of 8.01% which is up on the past year.
Hope this helps helicopter watchers.......
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1247, an increase of 55 helicopters. The growth over 29 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. The growth rate is holding steady at 8.31%, which is the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 99 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 114 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal attrition due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 30 Jun ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 621, an increase of 24 helicopters. The growth over 26 weeks is 24 helicopters or 0.92 new helicopters on the Register per week. This is an increase in the growth rate from 6.64% to 8%. June has had a growth well above the past twelve month’s average. At this rate of growth there will be an extra 48 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 55 jobs, plus those created by normal attrition.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Most distributors indicate that delays on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, have slowed deliveries in Australasia. Has stock been available, the above figures would have been higher. Australia is holding steady at a growth rate of 8.31% pa and New Zealand has achieved a growth rate of 8.01% which is up on the past year.
Hope this helps helicopter watchers.......
When's the pay going up....and all the overseas workers can head back to Oz?
But we do have tons of new aircraft right Rob!!!!!!!!!
Australasian Report for July
Australia - Year to 14 Aug ’05.
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1246, an increase of 54 helicopters. The growth over 32 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. The growth rate has slowed a little to 7.3%, which is slightly less than the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 88 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 102 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal attrition due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 31 Jul ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 624, an increase of 27 helicopters. The growth over 30 weeks is 27 helicopters or 0.90 new helicopters on the Register per week. This is an increase in the growth rate from 6.64% in January to 7.3% in July, up on the average for the past twelve months. At this rate of growth there will be an extra 47 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 54 jobs, plus those created by normal attrition.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Both countries are showing helicopter fleet growth rates of twice or more of the increase in their economies (GDP). Most distributors indicate that delays on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, have slowed deliveries in Australasia. Has stock been available, the above figures would have been higher.
Also this being the winter in Australasia, tourism is down and several machines were exported. Overall, Australia is holding a growth rate of 7.3% pa and which is similar to the 7.5% pa fleet increase in New Zealand.
Considering last year’s performances, NZ has had the best overall result.
Hope this helps, next report in a month!
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1246, an increase of 54 helicopters. The growth over 32 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. The growth rate has slowed a little to 7.3%, which is slightly less than the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 88 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 102 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal attrition due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 31 Jul ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 624, an increase of 27 helicopters. The growth over 30 weeks is 27 helicopters or 0.90 new helicopters on the Register per week. This is an increase in the growth rate from 6.64% in January to 7.3% in July, up on the average for the past twelve months. At this rate of growth there will be an extra 47 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 54 jobs, plus those created by normal attrition.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Both countries are showing helicopter fleet growth rates of twice or more of the increase in their economies (GDP). Most distributors indicate that delays on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, have slowed deliveries in Australasia. Has stock been available, the above figures would have been higher.
Also this being the winter in Australasia, tourism is down and several machines were exported. Overall, Australia is holding a growth rate of 7.3% pa and which is similar to the 7.5% pa fleet increase in New Zealand.
Considering last year’s performances, NZ has had the best overall result.
Hope this helps, next report in a month!
Types and where they live?
I will do some work on the CASA and CAA NZ data bases for you and get some figures sorted out.
Just some odd observations.
Queensland and New South Wales are always struggling to be top dog so far as numbers of pilots and airframes go.
Today, Queensland is leading New South Wales by only two!!
Previously it was NSW as number one in wobbly things that fly.
Due to the mustering industry, the Queenslanders actually have more flesh and bone driving those wobbly things.
So far as dollars invested are concerned, NSW leads as they have a greater proportion of turbines.
Victoria, once the leader three decades ago, has to take third place.
The so called centre of mass of the helicopter industry is slowly moving more north each year, this will accelerate as the tourist industry picks up.
Last year Australia had a record 5.2 million tourists, who spent $1.7 billion. Up about 12%.
Chinese have now replaced Japanese as number two after NZ. Problem is that Chinese are not helicopter tour aware; whereas the Japanese are used to booking tourist flights.
More later...
Just some odd observations.
Queensland and New South Wales are always struggling to be top dog so far as numbers of pilots and airframes go.
Today, Queensland is leading New South Wales by only two!!
Previously it was NSW as number one in wobbly things that fly.
Due to the mustering industry, the Queenslanders actually have more flesh and bone driving those wobbly things.
So far as dollars invested are concerned, NSW leads as they have a greater proportion of turbines.
Victoria, once the leader three decades ago, has to take third place.
The so called centre of mass of the helicopter industry is slowly moving more north each year, this will accelerate as the tourist industry picks up.
Last year Australia had a record 5.2 million tourists, who spent $1.7 billion. Up about 12%.
Chinese have now replaced Japanese as number two after NZ. Problem is that Chinese are not helicopter tour aware; whereas the Japanese are used to booking tourist flights.
More later...
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Some slightly flawed logic here.
Show me a helicopter that requires 1.2 pilots.
A large percentage (I would suggest 75%) of these "new" machines will be flown by their owners.
Dont forget some of us guys are shall we say underutilised and could fly a few more hours/machines per year
Show me a helicopter that requires 1.2 pilots.
A large percentage (I would suggest 75%) of these "new" machines will be flown by their owners.
Dont forget some of us guys are shall we say underutilised and could fly a few more hours/machines per year
Australasian Report for August 2005
Australia - Year to 18 Sep ’05.
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1256, an increase of 64 helicopters. The growth over 37 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. Possibly due to the winter season, the growth rate has slowed to about 6%, which is slightly less than the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 90 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 104 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal pilot attrition of about 15% due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 1 Sep ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 626, an increase of 29 helicopters over 34 weeks. This represents 0.85 new helicopters on the Register per week. The NZ growth rate has slowed from 6.64% in January to 4.9% in August, now below the past twelve month’s growth rate. As a result there will be an extra 45 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 52 jobs, plus those created by normal pilot attrition of 15% pa.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Although the growth rate has slowed over the winter season, both countries are showing helicopter fleet growth rates of twice the increase in their economies (GDP). Most distributors indicate that a delay on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, has slowed deliveries in Australasia. Had stock been available, the above figures would have been higher. Overall, Australia is holding a growth rate of 7% pa and which is similar to the 6.5% pa fleet increase in New Zealand. Both fleets doubled in size over eleven years. On current trends the fleets will double in six to seven years.
Obstacles: Both countries are showing signs of a pilot and especially engineer shortages. This is more pronounced in Australia which does not have a government sponsored pilot training scheme. In Australia the average of a pilot is late forties and engineers early fifties. Not a good resource when in a strong growth phase.
Hope this helps you all. More next month. Data extracted from CASA and CAA NZ websites.
Fly safely .....
Since January the fleet has grown from 1192 to 1256, an increase of 64 helicopters. The growth over 37 weeks is almost two new helicopters on the Register each week. Possibly due to the winter season, the growth rate has slowed to about 6%, which is slightly less than the average of the previous twelve months. At this rate of increase there will be extra 90 helicopters on the Register by 31 December, or another 104 jobs by this growth alone, plus normal pilot attrition of about 15% due retirement, illness, etc.
New Zealand – Year to 1 Sep ‘05
Since January the fleet has grown from 597 helicopters to 626, an increase of 29 helicopters over 34 weeks. This represents 0.85 new helicopters on the Register per week. The NZ growth rate has slowed from 6.64% in January to 4.9% in August, now below the past twelve month’s growth rate. As a result there will be an extra 45 machines on the Register by 31 December, or another 52 jobs, plus those created by normal pilot attrition of 15% pa.
Outlook: The helicopter industry is in a very healthy state. Although the growth rate has slowed over the winter season, both countries are showing helicopter fleet growth rates of twice the increase in their economies (GDP). Most distributors indicate that a delay on the production lines, due to a world wide strong demand, has slowed deliveries in Australasia. Had stock been available, the above figures would have been higher. Overall, Australia is holding a growth rate of 7% pa and which is similar to the 6.5% pa fleet increase in New Zealand. Both fleets doubled in size over eleven years. On current trends the fleets will double in six to seven years.
Obstacles: Both countries are showing signs of a pilot and especially engineer shortages. This is more pronounced in Australia which does not have a government sponsored pilot training scheme. In Australia the average of a pilot is late forties and engineers early fifties. Not a good resource when in a strong growth phase.
Hope this helps you all. More next month. Data extracted from CASA and CAA NZ websites.
Fly safely .....
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The tourist source data is interesting, and backed up by observations from here. So that is yet another course helicopter pilots need to take, to add value to our CV's -Mandarin...
Rob makes an interesting point that the Japanese were helicopter aware before they came to Aus, and so thought little of buying a trip over the harbour, or round the rock, or businessmen chartering to a site. There are lots of EMS, police and ENG machines in Japan.
In China, the only helicopters most of the public see are military. They will need a strong marketing effort to get them used to the idea, but from HK experience, they will get the message quickly as long as it is seen to be exclusively expensive and cool.
Come on you mandarin graduates, get out there and preach the helicopter mantra!
Rob makes an interesting point that the Japanese were helicopter aware before they came to Aus, and so thought little of buying a trip over the harbour, or round the rock, or businessmen chartering to a site. There are lots of EMS, police and ENG machines in Japan.
In China, the only helicopters most of the public see are military. They will need a strong marketing effort to get them used to the idea, but from HK experience, they will get the message quickly as long as it is seen to be exclusively expensive and cool.
Come on you mandarin graduates, get out there and preach the helicopter mantra!
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I'm sure he will post a reply anyway....
But a good one is Graeme Gilles, at Blue Tongue...started training instructors a while ago..not sure if he still is or not, the bloke deserves to just sit around and drink beer, has done so much for pilots here already. Very straight-up approach...so you have to appreciate that you will get a hard time, but this is because he doesn't turn out idiots. His record speaks for itself. I have flown with Gilles, but he did not instruct me, but have friends that did their commercial there and was all good, and he taught me an awful lot in an hour or two.
The only other place i have experience with enough to comment on is Rotor-Lift in Hobart (Ducks for cover...... someone wil bite on this one
) They have just got their instructor course approved in the last year, and trust me, the flying in tasmania is unbelieveable. You will hear good and bad about both of these places I'm sure, but don't believe anyone, and that should include me, until you turn up and have a look. After all..its still a lot of money that you are looking at spending. Peter Elliot at RotorLift is one of the best guys I have met, and its a nice looking place..... you need to work it out for yourself. I think transport and training do it too in sydney?? but not sure on that one. Good luck finding it.....:
(sorry for the typo graeme......was trying be nice...
I would train with you guys anyday.....but you gotta try boags one day...beats those crownies hands down)
But a good one is Graeme Gilles, at Blue Tongue...started training instructors a while ago..not sure if he still is or not, the bloke deserves to just sit around and drink beer, has done so much for pilots here already. Very straight-up approach...so you have to appreciate that you will get a hard time, but this is because he doesn't turn out idiots. His record speaks for itself. I have flown with Gilles, but he did not instruct me, but have friends that did their commercial there and was all good, and he taught me an awful lot in an hour or two.
The only other place i have experience with enough to comment on is Rotor-Lift in Hobart (Ducks for cover...... someone wil bite on this one
) They have just got their instructor course approved in the last year, and trust me, the flying in tasmania is unbelieveable. You will hear good and bad about both of these places I'm sure, but don't believe anyone, and that should include me, until you turn up and have a look. After all..its still a lot of money that you are looking at spending. Peter Elliot at RotorLift is one of the best guys I have met, and its a nice looking place..... you need to work it out for yourself. I think transport and training do it too in sydney?? but not sure on that one. Good luck finding it.....:(sorry for the typo graeme......was trying be nice...
I would train with you guys anyday.....but you gotta try boags one day...beats those crownies hands down)
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Contact Tub Matheson at Chopperline, Caloundra
chopperline.com.au
Very professional outfit, running a course in Nov I think. Can't go past Tub for a good grade two qualification, and he probably has the good gen on employment as well.
Good luck,
chopperline.com.au
Very professional outfit, running a course in Nov I think. Can't go past Tub for a good grade two qualification, and he probably has the good gen on employment as well.
Good luck,
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Probably if you hunt around you may be able to tee up an instructing job to go to as soon as you get the rating. There seems to be plenty of demand. Don't know about the 600 hours though. Can't be much fun trying to teach people to do something you are still learning to do yourself.