Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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Stay away from Rotorlift, you would be given your instructor rating by people who have absoloutely no experience in training instructors. They only just got their approval to train instructors? Speaks for itself. Their flying school is very quiet, you need to go somewhere where they have a wealth of experience in training instructors and have a good through put of ab-initio students as well. BlueTounge is highly recommended, as is Chopperline.
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At least with an instructor rating you can do BFR's and things for the rest of the guys rather than paying somone to come up and stay over. (When appropriately experienced of course.)
Finding a partner to do the course with you can save you dollars as you can fly 15 hours of mutual practice during the forty hours.
Try Heli West in WA they are likely to be running one Nov / Dec.
Finding a partner to do the course with you can save you dollars as you can fly 15 hours of mutual practice during the forty hours.
Try Heli West in WA they are likely to be running one Nov / Dec.
Blue Tongue, Chopperline, Heli-West, PHS in Melbourne, all good. Also give Rolly a call at Rotorwing, based at Coolangatta. Very experienced intructor on Robbies.
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Beckers..... rofl
yes...captain my captain....
You too could join all the solo students and be called captain. Oh and what pretty flight suits.
Sorry..had to get that out of my system...
You too could join all the solo students and be called captain. Oh and what pretty flight suits.
Sorry..had to get that out of my system...
How short is short?
As you know I plod away and collect figures each month to give you some feedback on what is happening in New Australia and New Zealand. This is because I am presently having my turn at the helm of the HAA, so I need to have some vague idea of what is wot, etc.
Also being an editor of a local magazine, I am come across those who are looking for a job and those who are seeking staff. The pendulum is now swinging towards shortages of skilled people, and shortages are appearing overall, more in Australia than NZ.
New Zealand is a little better off than Australia at present having about a dozen schools, and it seems a few more instructors. Across the Tasman Australia has about 26 schools and instructors are becoming as scarce as hens teeth. I would bet a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label that if CFI type people were around, that another six schools would open in the region. But with out the right nut behind the wheel (a CFI) you cannot get CASA to give you a training AOC.
Why? There are turbine jobs going and the more experienced guys (high hour instructors) tend to drift into these, so there is a natural selection process that Darwin would be proud to observe and record.
Solution? Pay more to instructors! Now that will open a can of worms!
I suppose I am suggesting that instructing is a very worthwhile vocation, and that you will always be needed either in a school or later as a check captain in a bigger mob! Plus you learn more from your students than they from you!
At present shortages in order of need are:
Chief Engineers
CFIs
Instructors
Engineers
Chief pilots
Pilots
It varies from season to season and year to year……
Wadda ya think??
Also being an editor of a local magazine, I am come across those who are looking for a job and those who are seeking staff. The pendulum is now swinging towards shortages of skilled people, and shortages are appearing overall, more in Australia than NZ.
New Zealand is a little better off than Australia at present having about a dozen schools, and it seems a few more instructors. Across the Tasman Australia has about 26 schools and instructors are becoming as scarce as hens teeth. I would bet a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label that if CFI type people were around, that another six schools would open in the region. But with out the right nut behind the wheel (a CFI) you cannot get CASA to give you a training AOC.
Why? There are turbine jobs going and the more experienced guys (high hour instructors) tend to drift into these, so there is a natural selection process that Darwin would be proud to observe and record.
Solution? Pay more to instructors! Now that will open a can of worms!
I suppose I am suggesting that instructing is a very worthwhile vocation, and that you will always be needed either in a school or later as a check captain in a bigger mob! Plus you learn more from your students than they from you!
At present shortages in order of need are:
Chief Engineers
CFIs
Instructors
Engineers
Chief pilots
Pilots
It varies from season to season and year to year……
Wadda ya think??
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Well Rob,
Where are all the jobs..???
I dont see to many adverised, I am starting to relise that companies advertise just to see whats around in the talent pool, but have no intention of hiring....and I KNOW this first hand from 2 operators that are very large here in OZ!
????
Where are all the jobs..???
I dont see to many adverised, I am starting to relise that companies advertise just to see whats around in the talent pool, but have no intention of hiring....and I KNOW this first hand from 2 operators that are very large here in OZ!
????
Where are the jobs?
Mustering Guru
I am speechless at your observation!
Just try all the magazines and trade journals in this region, plus the AFAP website and see what is there. I get 'em all.
Maybe you are in a remote area??
Plus the phone calls I get.....
I forgot to mention before, try for the military if you get in then decide if you want to be there. Most military pilots do their run with the grunts and then gallop off to the airlines.
Why? Good life style and an extra big back pocket.
PM me and I will send anyone a list to any lost soul out there of jobs I have on file.
A few companies do set nets "trawling" to see what is around, one of the worst offenders was a government department, located in Canberra.
Bit of an ego trip for those on the inside to see who would come begging from the outside.
But considering the conditions we have experienced over the past two decades we are doing OK, if not for any other reason the fleet has doubled in size.
So where did those pilots come from?
As most of our pilots and especially engineers are getting on (by comparision to other industries) we will be hit by even more shortages in the next decade.
Unless someone throws a really bad terrorist act onto the world stage.
I sense from your previous posts and your style of posting you are having trouble getting a job? Maybe people have pinned you down by putting a name to your handle.
If this is the case, then I suggest you get help in making your CV look better and maybe seek a professinal to make your presention at the interview more in your favour.
My aim in life is to get you guys airborne, keep you alive and make sure the industry continues to grow at 7% pa so that it will double in size again in seven years.
But you younger guys gotta get off you butt and not expect the world to come running.
Now I have said my bit ... sock it to me...
I am speechless at your observation!
Just try all the magazines and trade journals in this region, plus the AFAP website and see what is there. I get 'em all.
Maybe you are in a remote area??
Plus the phone calls I get.....
I forgot to mention before, try for the military if you get in then decide if you want to be there. Most military pilots do their run with the grunts and then gallop off to the airlines.
Why? Good life style and an extra big back pocket.
PM me and I will send anyone a list to any lost soul out there of jobs I have on file.
A few companies do set nets "trawling" to see what is around, one of the worst offenders was a government department, located in Canberra.
Bit of an ego trip for those on the inside to see who would come begging from the outside.
But considering the conditions we have experienced over the past two decades we are doing OK, if not for any other reason the fleet has doubled in size.
So where did those pilots come from?
As most of our pilots and especially engineers are getting on (by comparision to other industries) we will be hit by even more shortages in the next decade.
Unless someone throws a really bad terrorist act onto the world stage.
I sense from your previous posts and your style of posting you are having trouble getting a job? Maybe people have pinned you down by putting a name to your handle.
If this is the case, then I suggest you get help in making your CV look better and maybe seek a professinal to make your presention at the interview more in your favour.
My aim in life is to get you guys airborne, keep you alive and make sure the industry continues to grow at 7% pa so that it will double in size again in seven years.
But you younger guys gotta get off you butt and not expect the world to come running.
Now I have said my bit ... sock it to me...
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Well said robsrich.
Can't argue with any of that...........
I know of a school that has had to get an instructor from NZ to become their CFI. No one available here to fill the spot.
It does sound like they have found someone who is right for the job.
Instructors capable of going up to CFI level are thin on the ground and have been for some time. I would say that most instructors don't realise the advantage of have "CFI" on their resume. It does open a lot of good doors.
Can't argue with any of that...........
I know of a school that has had to get an instructor from NZ to become their CFI. No one available here to fill the spot.
It does sound like they have found someone who is right for the job.
Instructors capable of going up to CFI level are thin on the ground and have been for some time. I would say that most instructors don't realise the advantage of have "CFI" on their resume. It does open a lot of good doors.
Thanks for the feedback
Appreciate your observations.
I have been fiddling with other industry groups and they have the same problem, lack of skilled workers.
The mining boom in WA, north of Perth has the mines scouring the aviation companies for technical staff.
Somebody said an electrician was offered $570 per day, two weeks on and two weeks off, fares and accommodation and tucker tossed in……
We are not at this stage, but the pollies over the past week have been babbling about more technical people and less lawyers. No offence at lawyers, just pick any service professional.
You know what I mean.
I have been fiddling with other industry groups and they have the same problem, lack of skilled workers.
The mining boom in WA, north of Perth has the mines scouring the aviation companies for technical staff.
Somebody said an electrician was offered $570 per day, two weeks on and two weeks off, fares and accommodation and tucker tossed in……
We are not at this stage, but the pollies over the past week have been babbling about more technical people and less lawyers. No offence at lawyers, just pick any service professional.
You know what I mean.
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Beckers Instructor School
Mr Selfish,
Not too sure if things have improved, but up until several months ago Beckers were doing their instructor ratings under the cover of another Sydney operator as he didn’t have the 250 hours required to have his own school.
Not too sure if things have improved, but up until several months ago Beckers were doing their instructor ratings under the cover of another Sydney operator as he didn’t have the 250 hours required to have his own school.
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If you care to go to WWW.afap.org.au you will find links which will lead you to the General Aviation Pilots Award ... find the Helicopter Pilot Award and take it from there!!!
Good Luck ...
Generally it could be said to be "Not Enough"!
Cheers
Good Luck ...
Generally it could be said to be "Not Enough"!
Cheers
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Award??? award???
somebody should tell the boss about that one. be the funniest thing he's read all week. Well... if i ever get paid the award i know i'll have made it in the world of aviation. I guess the fact that they supply accomodation (shipping container ), get a company car (Poor old f*cked out troopy, but its a weapon ) and i don't have to pay power etc all gets taken into account. 
but its the lifestyle that i like. To give you ball park..... I live at work, and technically do aroun 72 hours week...(Duty or not duty....???
) and get around 25000 a year. can't wait fo that payrise...
), get a company car (Poor old f*cked out troopy, but its a weapon ) and i don't have to pay power etc all gets taken into account. but its the lifestyle that i like. To give you ball park..... I live at work, and technically do aroun 72 hours week...(Duty or not duty....??? ) and get around 25000 a year. can't wait fo that payrise...
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Above Award
dvhelicopters,
G'day Mate,
I work for one of the largest Single Engine Turbine Operators in Australia and have done for 18 months. I arrived with CPL gained in 1996, Irex and a couple of ATPL subject's. In the past financial year I earned 49K as a base, 15K in allowances (Tax-Free) and 7K as a Contractor whilst on leave. I spent 187 nights away from Base and flew around 700 - 800 hours. We have generous leave (6 weeks) not including the field leave. My advice, If you have an Instrument Rating then stay State Side and get into the Gulf of Mexico. Australia is not a place to come and get hours as a Rookie. Well done to those pilot's who get a start and earn a living. Good luck with your career.
Regards
Max
G'day Mate,
I work for one of the largest Single Engine Turbine Operators in Australia and have done for 18 months. I arrived with CPL gained in 1996, Irex and a couple of ATPL subject's. In the past financial year I earned 49K as a base, 15K in allowances (Tax-Free) and 7K as a Contractor whilst on leave. I spent 187 nights away from Base and flew around 700 - 800 hours. We have generous leave (6 weeks) not including the field leave. My advice, If you have an Instrument Rating then stay State Side and get into the Gulf of Mexico. Australia is not a place to come and get hours as a Rookie. Well done to those pilot's who get a start and earn a living. Good luck with your career.
Regards
Max