Two killed in A109 near Bournemouth - AAIB report published
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I've seen the report as linked to previously. Hardly tells us a lot does it? http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_027966.pdf
I was referring to the comments said about the pilot by his friends,all posted I'm sure with the best possible intent. However reading through this thread, I as an independant individual (as are the persons on the inquests jury), have been told quite a bit of the character of the pilot.
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I've seen the report as linked to previously. Hardly tells us a lot does it? http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_027966.pdf
I was referring to the comments said about the pilot by his friends,all posted I'm sure with the best possible intent. However reading through this thread, I as an independant individual (as are the persons on the inquests jury), have been told quite a bit of the character of the pilot.
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"Air crash deaths were accidental " Ruling by inquest jury
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An article in todays Sunday Times.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...9551_1,00.html
British lawyer hatched Putin smears
A BRITISH lawyer killed in a helicopter crash on the south coast of England was at the heart of a secret smear campaign against President Vladimir Putin and his leading associates, according to a confidential dossier.
Stephen Curtis, who died in 2004, was chairman of the security firm ISC Global (UK) which worked for a group of Russian tycoons plotting against Putin.
The dossier says the company was to “discredit [Putin] and those around him”. The targets were 11 senior Russians — from the defence minister to Roman Abramovich, owner of Chelsea football club.
ISC was also tasked with creating a luxury yacht with a crew capable of repelling an armed assault. The ship was to be a floating refuge for oligarchs wanted by Moscow on charges of fraud.
Curtis, 45, died in March 2004 alongside Max Radford, 34, the pilot, when their helicopter crashed near Bournemouth airport on the way to Dublin.
The wreckage yielded few clues and an inquest jury last November returned a verdict of accidental death. But a number of facts remained unexplained. It emerged that Curtis had received threats, felt he was under surveillance and had warned a relative shortly before: “If anything happens in the next two weeks then it won’t be an accident.”
Even the coroner conceded that the death had “all the ingredients of an espionage thriller”. The ISC connection was never investigated or put to the jury and the pilot’s parents do not accept the verdict. Their lawyer called for a public inquiry.
The dossier, seen by The Sunday Times, shows that ISC was funded by some of Russia’s wealthiest but most wanted men. They included Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Leonid Nevzlin, the owners of Group Menatep, the company behind Yukos, Russia’s second largest oil company.
Curtis, who already acted for the Gibraltar-based Menatep, was made chairman of ISC, which received £6m from the Russians in the first three years, financial documents show. His expertise was in setting up complex offshore structures to disperse Yukos’s vast profits. Two former Scotland Yard officers ran the security side.
ISC “targeted” leading figures in Russia after Putin sanctioned the arrest of Khodorkovsky on fraud and tax evasion charges in October 2003 as his jet refuelled in Siberia. Putin wanted to dismantle Yukos and take it back into the Kremlin’s hands.
Nevzlin, who is wanted for fraud offences and organising a contract killing, moved to Israel as a wave of Yukos executives fled to London. City lawyers were hired to fend off extradition requests from Moscow which the oligarchs say are politically inspired.
ISC carried out “monitoring” services to collate information on developments in the extradition battle. Ex-SAS soldiers acted as bodyguards to clients considered at risk of being kidnapped by Moscow.
The company also drew up plans to customise a £30m luxury yacht, the Constellation, to provide a safe haven for wanted executives, said ISC sources. It was to be defended against armed assault by a “Swat” team which would undergo “combat and kidnapping avoidance training”, according to the boat’s specification. Living quarters would be protected by bullet-proof glass and meeting rooms pumped with “white noise” to prevent bugging.
The specification reveals how some guests were to be entertained. It says: “Procedure for vetting, screening and searching Lady’s [sic] of the night onboard. Also a need to establish a trusted agency connection for such personnel.”
The campaign was authorised by Nevzlin who told ISC to do “the biggest investigation ever”, according to a company insider. ISC drafted a 12-page document marked “Secret”, which one of its partners presented to Nevzlin in Israel. The oligarch authorised £37m for the first phase of the operation, the source said.
The plan was to mount a “sensitive and delicate” worldwide operation, feeding false or compromising information to journalists and governments about Putin — referred to as “X” — and his associates.
The plotters wanted “[Putin] to be removed from power” but the more realistic objective was to force him to release Khodorkovsky from detention by March 2004 and cut Yukos’s £5 billion tax bill.
The document shows that besides Putin, Sergei Ivanov, the defence minister, was to be smeared with allegedly compromising photographs. Other targets included key figures in state-owned energy companies.
Abramovich had angered the Yukos oligarchs because Putin allowed him to keep his billions and travel freely within Russia. The document recommended an attempt to discredit him with allegations of “money laundering and bribery”. Abramovich’s spokesman said last week he was unaware of the plot.
Curtis’s crash happened within months of the smear campaign being hatched. Former ISC operatives say he had become “paranoid” in the last year of his life. He had become Menatep’s managing director responsible for assets worth £16 billion.
An ISC source said Curtis’s “paranoia” may have had some justification: “After Curtis’s death we swept the family home and located a small magnet used to secure a listening device,” he recalled. It would emerge at the inquest that Curtis had reported his clients’ transactions to the police “on many occasions”.
Putin was re-elected 11 days after the crash. ISC stopped trading last year and was renamed RISC under new ownership. Its former partners have declined to comment on operational matters. Menatep has been renamed GML and its current board has no involvement with ISC. A spokesman for GML, still controlled by Nevzlin and Khodorkovsky, declined to comment.
Gloria Radford, the pilot’s mother, still believes her son was killed as part of an assassination plot against Curtis. “I know there was more to the situation than was ever disclosed. There is something terribly wrong,” she said.
Insight: Michael Gillard and Jonathan Calvert
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...9551_1,00.html
British lawyer hatched Putin smears
A BRITISH lawyer killed in a helicopter crash on the south coast of England was at the heart of a secret smear campaign against President Vladimir Putin and his leading associates, according to a confidential dossier.
Stephen Curtis, who died in 2004, was chairman of the security firm ISC Global (UK) which worked for a group of Russian tycoons plotting against Putin.
The dossier says the company was to “discredit [Putin] and those around him”. The targets were 11 senior Russians — from the defence minister to Roman Abramovich, owner of Chelsea football club.
ISC was also tasked with creating a luxury yacht with a crew capable of repelling an armed assault. The ship was to be a floating refuge for oligarchs wanted by Moscow on charges of fraud.
Curtis, 45, died in March 2004 alongside Max Radford, 34, the pilot, when their helicopter crashed near Bournemouth airport on the way to Dublin.
The wreckage yielded few clues and an inquest jury last November returned a verdict of accidental death. But a number of facts remained unexplained. It emerged that Curtis had received threats, felt he was under surveillance and had warned a relative shortly before: “If anything happens in the next two weeks then it won’t be an accident.”
Even the coroner conceded that the death had “all the ingredients of an espionage thriller”. The ISC connection was never investigated or put to the jury and the pilot’s parents do not accept the verdict. Their lawyer called for a public inquiry.
The dossier, seen by The Sunday Times, shows that ISC was funded by some of Russia’s wealthiest but most wanted men. They included Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Leonid Nevzlin, the owners of Group Menatep, the company behind Yukos, Russia’s second largest oil company.
Curtis, who already acted for the Gibraltar-based Menatep, was made chairman of ISC, which received £6m from the Russians in the first three years, financial documents show. His expertise was in setting up complex offshore structures to disperse Yukos’s vast profits. Two former Scotland Yard officers ran the security side.
ISC “targeted” leading figures in Russia after Putin sanctioned the arrest of Khodorkovsky on fraud and tax evasion charges in October 2003 as his jet refuelled in Siberia. Putin wanted to dismantle Yukos and take it back into the Kremlin’s hands.
Nevzlin, who is wanted for fraud offences and organising a contract killing, moved to Israel as a wave of Yukos executives fled to London. City lawyers were hired to fend off extradition requests from Moscow which the oligarchs say are politically inspired.
ISC carried out “monitoring” services to collate information on developments in the extradition battle. Ex-SAS soldiers acted as bodyguards to clients considered at risk of being kidnapped by Moscow.
The company also drew up plans to customise a £30m luxury yacht, the Constellation, to provide a safe haven for wanted executives, said ISC sources. It was to be defended against armed assault by a “Swat” team which would undergo “combat and kidnapping avoidance training”, according to the boat’s specification. Living quarters would be protected by bullet-proof glass and meeting rooms pumped with “white noise” to prevent bugging.
The specification reveals how some guests were to be entertained. It says: “Procedure for vetting, screening and searching Lady’s [sic] of the night onboard. Also a need to establish a trusted agency connection for such personnel.”
The campaign was authorised by Nevzlin who told ISC to do “the biggest investigation ever”, according to a company insider. ISC drafted a 12-page document marked “Secret”, which one of its partners presented to Nevzlin in Israel. The oligarch authorised £37m for the first phase of the operation, the source said.
The plan was to mount a “sensitive and delicate” worldwide operation, feeding false or compromising information to journalists and governments about Putin — referred to as “X” — and his associates.
The plotters wanted “[Putin] to be removed from power” but the more realistic objective was to force him to release Khodorkovsky from detention by March 2004 and cut Yukos’s £5 billion tax bill.
The document shows that besides Putin, Sergei Ivanov, the defence minister, was to be smeared with allegedly compromising photographs. Other targets included key figures in state-owned energy companies.
Abramovich had angered the Yukos oligarchs because Putin allowed him to keep his billions and travel freely within Russia. The document recommended an attempt to discredit him with allegations of “money laundering and bribery”. Abramovich’s spokesman said last week he was unaware of the plot.
Curtis’s crash happened within months of the smear campaign being hatched. Former ISC operatives say he had become “paranoid” in the last year of his life. He had become Menatep’s managing director responsible for assets worth £16 billion.
An ISC source said Curtis’s “paranoia” may have had some justification: “After Curtis’s death we swept the family home and located a small magnet used to secure a listening device,” he recalled. It would emerge at the inquest that Curtis had reported his clients’ transactions to the police “on many occasions”.
Putin was re-elected 11 days after the crash. ISC stopped trading last year and was renamed RISC under new ownership. Its former partners have declined to comment on operational matters. Menatep has been renamed GML and its current board has no involvement with ISC. A spokesman for GML, still controlled by Nevzlin and Khodorkovsky, declined to comment.
Gloria Radford, the pilot’s mother, still believes her son was killed as part of an assassination plot against Curtis. “I know there was more to the situation than was ever disclosed. There is something terribly wrong,” she said.
Insight: Michael Gillard and Jonathan Calvert
Like the Kenny Rogers song...."The Gambler".
"You have to know when to hold them, when to fold them.
Know when to walk away, when to run."
"You have to know when to hold them, when to fold them.
Know when to walk away, when to run."
That Steven Curtis would have been under some sort of surveilance can hardly be in doubt, I would have thought. The notion that it is related in some way to some poor individual losing control, whilst trying to maintain visual flight, on a grotty night is somewhat tenuous to say the least. Plenty of people have done it in less glamorous circumstances, and no conspiracy theorists jump to their defence!
You don't think perhaps the passenger decided to end it all by attacking the pilot on finals?
Or
The last transmissions weren't a little bit....strange.....
No...of course not...what was I thinking about....
This is all conjecture of course, how could it be anything else ...I wasn't there.....
Or
The last transmissions weren't a little bit....strange.....
No...of course not...what was I thinking about....
This is all conjecture of course, how could it be anything else ...I wasn't there.....
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Max Radford Friends Please Reply....
Heli Guys, Thank you for all your Nice Words of Love for My exhusband Max Radford. First off I just found out 5 years later, He had called me close to his time of death. I was pregnant and he kept calling back, then he passed and I had baby! Maybe I didn't want to know....I always worried about him. And now my worst fears have come.....
Max was the Best Pilot, He alway told me it was the company's he worked for here in Ca that did not do regular maintanence on there helicopters.
I married Mattew after he discovered me in San Francisco, CA. I was disabled in a car accident after we married and that broke the camels back so yah say....and he moved on.
I worked for The US Gov on the V-22 Helicopter and there where trouble reports of these things wrong but yet people kept dieing in crashes our office would be floodded with calls. helicopters are all the same....take the information and fix it don't leave more people to die. I believe it was mechanical error . . . . since I know Max and from the reports he was demanding to come up, and he would make demands like that when he was severly angery and I'm sure if the engine failed that would have REALLY Made him ANgerY!
Please if anyone has anything to say that Max may have told them near his death I would like to know if he had some thoughts about me.
[email protected] Audrey Pulliam ~ I Love Always Max Radford!
Max was the Best Pilot, He alway told me it was the company's he worked for here in Ca that did not do regular maintanence on there helicopters.
I married Mattew after he discovered me in San Francisco, CA. I was disabled in a car accident after we married and that broke the camels back so yah say....and he moved on.
I worked for The US Gov on the V-22 Helicopter and there where trouble reports of these things wrong but yet people kept dieing in crashes our office would be floodded with calls. helicopters are all the same....take the information and fix it don't leave more people to die. I believe it was mechanical error . . . . since I know Max and from the reports he was demanding to come up, and he would make demands like that when he was severly angery and I'm sure if the engine failed that would have REALLY Made him ANgerY!
Please if anyone has anything to say that Max may have told them near his death I would like to know if he had some thoughts about me.
[email protected] Audrey Pulliam ~ I Love Always Max Radford!
