Questions about obtaining an Instrument Rating
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instrument rating hell
Tried lasors but still can't come up with an answer.
Anyone got the definitive answer?
UK/JAA ATPL(A)/IR , CPL(H). What ground exams do I need to sit for the helicopter IR? At one point I'd got myself convinced I'd have to sit all the ATPL's again....arrgghh.....did them far too many years ago to even begin to contemplate it.
Answers on a postcard please..........
Anyone got the definitive answer?
UK/JAA ATPL(A)/IR , CPL(H). What ground exams do I need to sit for the helicopter IR? At one point I'd got myself convinced I'd have to sit all the ATPL's again....arrgghh.....did them far too many years ago to even begin to contemplate it.
Answers on a postcard please..........
If you already have the CPL Written exams under your belt then that covers it I believe.
That is the case as far as we are concerned at Specialist Aviation Services if we were to do your IR (H) training.
With an IR (A) you would do 10 hrs of training for the IRT, again we would do 5 in our FNPT and then 5 in the test aircraft then the test.
That is the case as far as we are concerned at Specialist Aviation Services if we were to do your IR (H) training.
With an IR (A) you would do 10 hrs of training for the IRT, again we would do 5 in our FNPT and then 5 in the test aircraft then the test.
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JAA SE IR
Actually,
As far as I know Bristow is the only one that offers JAA SE-IR(H) in all of Europe, and by extension, the only one in the world.
They use a specially stabilized B206, which costs around 585 pounds per hour.
Does anyone know of anyother flight training school that offers JAA SE-IR(H), in the UK or in another country?
JAR FCL requires an IFR certificated helicopter for SE-IR training. Not that many single engine heli's come with IFR certification out of the box.
However, different countries might treat this issue differently.
So, anyone?
As far as I know Bristow is the only one that offers JAA SE-IR(H) in all of Europe, and by extension, the only one in the world.
They use a specially stabilized B206, which costs around 585 pounds per hour.
Does anyone know of anyother flight training school that offers JAA SE-IR(H), in the UK or in another country?
JAR FCL requires an IFR certificated helicopter for SE-IR training. Not that many single engine heli's come with IFR certification out of the box.
However, different countries might treat this issue differently.
So, anyone?
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tbc, many thanks.
I was hoping that would be the case but wasn't finding the documentation the easiest thing to interpret when taking into account fixed wing qualifications.
Would it be possible to get a ballpark per hour price for the flying and FNPT from you for future reference?
I was hoping that would be the case but wasn't finding the documentation the easiest thing to interpret when taking into account fixed wing qualifications.
Would it be possible to get a ballpark per hour price for the flying and FNPT from you for future reference?
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Helikopter Service AB in Sweden offers SE IR on a Long Ranger....outfitted with the same stuff as Bristows
http://www.smelinkweb.com/ImageLibra...terservice.pdf
http://www.smelinkweb.com/ImageLibra...terservice.pdf
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Instrument rating acceptance period UK
On another thread it was discussed that you must gain your IR within 3 years of passing your ATPL ground exams now.
under the old national system it was 7 years I believe.
But a mate of mine has got a JAR restricted CPL(H), i.e JAR licence on basis of national groundschool issued under transitional arrangements.
CAA on phone told him he would have the 7 year acceptance period because of national exams, also he has been told it is 3 years because it is JAR licence, also that for this hybrid licence there is a deadline of 31/12/04.
I have looked in JAR FCL 2, 2.495 and cannot find his particular case stated.
does anyone know the correct answer and can they give a source ????
under the old national system it was 7 years I believe.
But a mate of mine has got a JAR restricted CPL(H), i.e JAR licence on basis of national groundschool issued under transitional arrangements.
CAA on phone told him he would have the 7 year acceptance period because of national exams, also he has been told it is 3 years because it is JAR licence, also that for this hybrid licence there is a deadline of 31/12/04.
I have looked in JAR FCL 2, 2.495 and cannot find his particular case stated.
does anyone know the correct answer and can they give a source ????
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From personal experience I would thoroughly recommend Bristows at Norwich for the JAA IR. The standards are very high, their B206 is great for the job and overall I reckon SP heli IFR is demanding enough to prioritise quality over cost, not that I think Bristows are expensive. They are also a great bunch of guys! Norwich is a good location too, being relatively quiet but with ILS, NDB and Radar approaches. Did mine over a month which was probably about right. I found it useful too refreshing after a few months to get the rating on my twin.
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tbc,
The JARs spell out that IR(A) to IR(H) is 10 hours dual plus test,
where did you find that half of that can be taken in an FNPT?
The 10 hours from JAR FCL are the minimums, a flight school would typically recommend to take a 15 hours course plus additional simulator time. They might not be inclined to reduce that because of high standards or other reasons.
The JARs spell out that IR(A) to IR(H) is 10 hours dual plus test,
where did you find that half of that can be taken in an FNPT?
The 10 hours from JAR FCL are the minimums, a flight school would typically recommend to take a 15 hours course plus additional simulator time. They might not be inclined to reduce that because of high standards or other reasons.
cap 21,
As an FTO with IR (H) Approvals, we have an approved FNPT that is used within our IR (H) courses.
So we can utilise it for 5 hrs as part of the 10 hrs for the course that we are talking about.
We also use it for up to 16 hrs against the basic 50/55 hr course. 5 hrs in a 10 hrs course and 5 hrs against the 15 hrs for a QSP course.
If someone has an IR(A) already, then we would suggest that the 10 hrs course would suffice for the average trainee. If more was needed then we would reserve the right to do more, but that does not appear to be the case to date. More training against the course could be done in the FNPT as opposed to the real expensive machine, as long as we achieved the minimums iaw our approvals and JAR FCL 2.
Furthermore, in the UK the CAA requires that the FTO do a pre-test check flight (F170A) before putting a candidate up for his actual IR Test with the authority.
Any queries send me a private message.
As an FTO with IR (H) Approvals, we have an approved FNPT that is used within our IR (H) courses.
So we can utilise it for 5 hrs as part of the 10 hrs for the course that we are talking about.
We also use it for up to 16 hrs against the basic 50/55 hr course. 5 hrs in a 10 hrs course and 5 hrs against the 15 hrs for a QSP course.
If someone has an IR(A) already, then we would suggest that the 10 hrs course would suffice for the average trainee. If more was needed then we would reserve the right to do more, but that does not appear to be the case to date. More training against the course could be done in the FNPT as opposed to the real expensive machine, as long as we achieved the minimums iaw our approvals and JAR FCL 2.
Furthermore, in the UK the CAA requires that the FTO do a pre-test check flight (F170A) before putting a candidate up for his actual IR Test with the authority.
Any queries send me a private message.
JAR Helicopter FI(R) Course + Pre-tests
Hey Chaps,
Can anyone help me on the following;
1) Are there any other schools apart from Cabair offering Instructors Course for helis. Do Aeromega and Tiger Helis still offer the course?
2) With regards to the pre-test, can anyone offer any info on it and suitable people that can conduct the pretest, preferably in the North of England.
Cheers,
James
Can anyone help me on the following;
1) Are there any other schools apart from Cabair offering Instructors Course for helis. Do Aeromega and Tiger Helis still offer the course?
2) With regards to the pre-test, can anyone offer any info on it and suitable people that can conduct the pretest, preferably in the North of England.
Cheers,
James
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Heliair definitely does courses, and Mike Smith can do the pre-test.
Pretty sure Tiger still does them.
Fast does, unless that's changed...but they're not in the North.
In the North...Geoff Day??? Don't know for certain.
Pretty sure Tiger still does them.
Fast does, unless that's changed...but they're not in the North.
In the North...Geoff Day??? Don't know for certain.
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Just Finished course at Tiger Helicopters but they where a little busy to fit the program in so if they say three weeks bank on six also Fast still do them
Speak to Pete Bing from tiger to see if he will help regarding his course notes, he will charge no dought but but his notes are pretty good tel 0777961451 also speak to Mike Green at fast he still carrys them out, there is a guy at Blackpool Geoff somebody he carrys them out but the cost was I think a bit steep I dont have any further info on him than that though
leave your e-mail address and I can if you wish give you a further imput
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Speak to Pete Bing from tiger to see if he will help regarding his course notes, he will charge no dought but but his notes are pretty good tel 0777961451 also speak to Mike Green at fast he still carrys them out, there is a guy at Blackpool Geoff somebody he carrys them out but the cost was I think a bit steep I dont have any further info on him than that though
leave your e-mail address and I can if you wish give you a further imput
regards
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Tiger charged Me 7220 + vat + test fee and SFH of A/C on test day blackpool quoted 10.5k+ vat sloanes said about 8.5k + vat
I went to tiger in the finish as it was close to home and it was nice not to live out of a suitcase for a while but the course went a drift due to the instructor who I have to say was good getting his fingers rapped by Fualty towers as he was not rated to carryout the instrucotr course this put pressure on tiger and it did go to rats.
However i did get a first time pass so it could not have been that bad
thank you for your comments i did learn a lot for the previous expliots and, well trying to move on those experiances
gain thanks
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I went to tiger in the finish as it was close to home and it was nice not to live out of a suitcase for a while but the course went a drift due to the instructor who I have to say was good getting his fingers rapped by Fualty towers as he was not rated to carryout the instrucotr course this put pressure on tiger and it did go to rats.
However i did get a first time pass so it could not have been that bad
thank you for your comments i did learn a lot for the previous expliots and, well trying to move on those experiances
gain thanks
regards
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Truthfully I have have traveled the length of the country to date, and still nothing I have had people say yes come on down and talk to me and when i arrive to then be told well there may be a couple of tls pos at the weekend but you know, work on these and well this could be the start I cannot find any body who is willing to take on at present I keep trying and will again next week venture out on the tour of the operators but i can earn more back in my old trade than trying to find work as an FI I can only say i will keep trying but i have to date no good news
How about the rest of you guys any good news on your front
How about the rest of you guys any good news on your front
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Hey Bravo 99,
what have CHC Scotia and Bristow been saying about the state of play? have either of them given any predictions about if and when they may hire again in the not too distant future?
history suggests they will, there was recruitment bubble in 1997/98 and again in 2001, so based on that rationale 2005 may be a good time, heres hoping for you
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C.Freddie
what have CHC Scotia and Bristow been saying about the state of play? have either of them given any predictions about if and when they may hire again in the not too distant future?
history suggests they will, there was recruitment bubble in 1997/98 and again in 2001, so based on that rationale 2005 may be a good time, heres hoping for you
regards
C.Freddie