Canada: Training & Employment prospects

[Red Ant]

Does one need to have a skills test doen in canada, in the multi-crew helo that you have on your licence to get the canadian atp?

[paco]

(5) Credits for Foreign Applicants
(a) Qualifying Flight Requirement
The holder of a license issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the qualifying flight requirement specified in (3)(c)(iii), (3)(g)(iii), (3)(k)(ii), and (3)(l) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 10 hours pilot-in-command flight time on the appropriate aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for rating;
(b) Pilot Proficiency Check Requirement
The holder of a licence with a two-crew type rating issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in (3)(a)(iii), (3)(b)(iii), (3)(f)(iii), and (3)(g)(ii)</nobr> above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 50 hours flight time on that aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for the rating.

Google.ca "Application for Endorsement" in Canada pages only and it will be the first thing that comes up! believe it or not. Don't forget to include the $30!

phil

[anvilman]

Flight schools near Toronto

Hi all

Can anyone recommend or provide a list of heli flight training schools near Toronto (shortish drive or train ride)?

I am currently in Aus, half way through CPL(H) (part time) but may well be moving to Toronto for a few months with work.

Would like to continue flying/training there e.g. at the weekends.

Any thoughts or suggestions much appreciated.

Cheers,

Ooops, and I mean Toronto, Canada (as opposed to other smaller Torontos around the world!)

Cheers,

[Fun Police]

canadian helicopters has a school at buttonville (on the north side of TO) and national helicopters has a school around there, to, i beleive. don't know much more than that, though.

[aspinwing]

Send me a pm for local details.
Where do you expect to live?

[hovering]

There is one in Kitchener/Waterloo also. Great Lakes I believe it is called.

[IHL]

Hi :

Does it have to be in/near Toronto. Canada is a large country with lots of options. Toronto is very expensive for ccomodations. Of Course- if you have a place to stay in TO then it makes sense.

[TiPwEiGhT]

Employment in Canada?

Bit of help please,

I have a Frozen JAR ATPL(H) and FI(H) Rating with approximently 600 hours. These have been done on 300, R22, R44, 206 and EC120.

What would I have to do to convert to Canadian CPL and also what are the job prospects over there like?

Thanks in advance guys,

TiP

[GoodGrief]

It always gives me a bit of a headache when I see a 600 hour guy with 5 type ratings...

[TiPwEiGhT]

Can I ask why?

I don't hold 300 and 206 ratings, just logged time and experience on them.

TiP

[GoodGrief]

Since you have a JAR-Licence you need a type rating to log the time on the 300 and 206.

Otherwise your logbook holds "Parker" time.
So, how many hours do you have now?

You're not even allowed to touch the controls of those aircraft unless you are with an instructor working on the ratings within an FTO, or AOC holder.

[Whirlygig]

unless you are with an instructor working on the ratings

No, surely... unless you are with an instructor. I don't think you have to be working towards the rating to be able to log the hours; just with an instructor (who IS rated obviously!).

I have nearly 10 hours JetRanger time (whoopy-doo I hear you say) but no JetRanger rating. All hours are logged as valid as I was with an instructor in each case. What's wrong with that? I don't want to do the rating yet as it's expensive to maintain!

So, GoodGrief, would you be kind enough to answer TiP's original question as to why you get a headache when you see someone with 600 hours and 5 type ratings? Would your headache be lessened if there were fewer type ratings?

Cheers

Whirls

[TiPwEiGhT]

GoodGrief, not including 300 and 206 time it would probably work at around 10 hours less. I mentioned them incase they could be of some help for awnsering my question.

Yes, I was with an instructor operating on a FTO and yes I was working on the Type Ratings courses, however for reasons beyond my control I did not finish them.

Anyway, can anybody tell me the score on converting to Canadian CPL and a bit about the job prospects please?

TiP

Thanks Whirls!

How many hours and type ratings you got GoodGrief?

[BigMike]

Off track slightly, Whirls, what do you mean "maintain" a JR rating? Do you have to do x amount of hours per year? Is this another strange Euro rule?

TiPwEiGhT, check out the Canadian schools on the net as most have info on the conversion. Medical, flight test, theory exam. All pretty straight forward providing your not a complete muppet. Job prospects would be the same as a 600 hour pilot anywhere I guess. Better than a guy with a new licence, but still not a lot of real experience or hours to apply for the good jobs.

All fairly simple compared to the rubbish overseas pilots have to go through to fly in the UK.

Contact these folks and they can fill you in on the details:
[email protected]

[TiPwEiGhT]

Thanks BigMike, I'll drop chinook a line.

[Whirlygig]

BY "maintain", I mean doing the two hours minimum per annum (one of which may be one's Licence Proficiency Check!) per rating. However, being realistic, there is no way I would/should pass an LPC if I have only done one flying hour in the year prior on that machine, especially as I would probably only have 15 hours in total!! I did my JetRanger hours in South Africa where their rating isn't valid in JAA-land without jumping through some ridiculous hoops which would have made it cheaper to do it in the UK anyway - I just flew with an instructor!

Cheers

Whirls

[BigMike]

...and here is one I was recommended the other day:

Coast Helicopter College - [email protected]


Whirls, ok, understand. If your ever in Czech, call in and see us and have a look at the operation.

Cheers BigMike

[GoodGrief]

@Whirlygig:

Ten hours in a 206 are nice. How do you like it?
We have two ways of approaching this subject: What do the regs say or how is it done in the real world.

Regs:
In order to fly that 206 your instructor needs to be working in an FTO or TRTO AND you have to be in APPROVED type rating course! Meaning: That TRTO/FTO has to report to the CAA that they train you towards that rating. Then and only then are your hours legal. A single engine rating usually consists of 5 hours of flight.
Considering that you should have your rating already.
See LASORS Section F ( Type ratings ) or the equivalent FCL-2 Section.
How is it done:
You just hop in and fly along with that instrcutor when he is going on a job.
You are on the safe side finishing the rating then you can fly in the right seat with the instructor as your “safety”.

Back to the original:

It´s about professionalism. 600 hours of which about 200 (Frozen ATP) are own training probably in one type only leave you with 400 hours on 4 types, you’re not good in any of them.
I myself with 2000hours feel good with 3 to 4 ratings. Now be careful, it’s not the ratings only:
I worked for a company that had 3 different LongRangers, an L (C20R4), an L1 (C28) and an L3 (C30), the two first with Bendix Fuel System, the L3 with a Ceco. Talking about potential for killing an Engine. I was also flying his 407, now confuse the starting procedure of a 407 with that one of the 206 and you’re toast. So everytime you go fly you ask yourself what aircraft am I sitting in now…He has 3 completely different BO105, too….
Remember all those numbers!

Regards to Spunk on this occasion.

Ever had to explain why you’re looking for that special switch in that aircraft ?
“Yeah, I have 8 ratings, haven’t flown this machine in 5 months…. and I have 10 hours in it only anyway…

That is not being a Pro!

Now shoot me!

[TiPwEiGhT]

ok! BANG!

I did all my training in Robinson's, then after my PPL(H) moved on as most people do to the R44. Then the EC120 about 2 months ago for two reasons:

1: I had to, to keep my job!
2: I want turbine time to help with future job hunting.

It's called gaining experience, everybody has to start somewhere.

So that would be 3 types on my licence, one of which I have recently qualified on. 600 hours, 20 of which are turbine.

If you are that worried about making a mistake when starting your machine I would suggest to get to know your checklists a bit better (instead of memorising LASOR's), afterall that is the whole point in having them!

Thanks again BigMike, I have dropped Chinook a line and will with this company!

TiP

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Canada: Training & job prospects