MSc Air Transport Management
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MSc Air Transport Management
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I'm considering doing the above MSc after my Aeronautical Engineering degree and was wondering if anyone could give me any information regarding this MSc. I know Cranfield do the course which appears really good, but what does it involve, and where does it lead to? Are there are any former/current students of the course who can shed some light?!
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I'm considering doing the above MSc after my Aeronautical Engineering degree and was wondering if anyone could give me any information regarding this MSc. I know Cranfield do the course which appears really good, but what does it involve, and where does it lead to? Are there are any former/current students of the course who can shed some light?!
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As a straight graddie with no work experience it was my ticket into the industry a few years ago, so I'd go for it if you're in a similar position and that's what you want. Gives you a handy network too.
The course provides a very broad overview of the industry, from marketing to engineering to accident investigation. You can specialize in the second term and with your thesis.
The course provides a very broad overview of the industry, from marketing to engineering to accident investigation. You can specialize in the second term and with your thesis.
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Agree with cowboy.
You get exposure in all areas but keep in mind that this is a predominantly management course. There is an engineering elective, but since you have an aeronautical engineering background, i doubt will u learn much more in that subject.
Good facilties and a focussed environment and nowadays students from outside the UK outnumber local students in something like 5:1.
Send me a PM if you need more details.
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You get exposure in all areas but keep in mind that this is a predominantly management course. There is an engineering elective, but since you have an aeronautical engineering background, i doubt will u learn much more in that subject.
Good facilties and a focussed environment and nowadays students from outside the UK outnumber local students in something like 5:1.
Send me a PM if you need more details.
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I looked at the London City University's and I have chosen to go for this one... Just need to gather the money with perhaps a part sponsorship from the company.
Thought it would a great idea to widen my knowledge of the industry. I can also see some use in graduating in a Management area, should I lose my medical or something of great inconvenience (to say the least) happened.
Thought it would a great idea to widen my knowledge of the industry. I can also see some use in graduating in a Management area, should I lose my medical or something of great inconvenience (to say the least) happened.
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Again, I agree with Cowboy. I've employed many people in a management capacity in air transport, and the only thing other than experience that ever really registers with me when I look at a CV is the Cranfield MSc.
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Ok...thanks for the replies, chaps. Looks like something I should really consider and definitely worthwhile. I realize that it doesn't really have anything to do with engineering, but that's why I like the look of it.
AMEX ...Why do you think the City Uni one looks better? From what I can see, they are both pretty good, but the City one costs a hell of a lot more money!
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AMEX ...Why do you think the City Uni one looks better? From what I can see, they are both pretty good, but the City one costs a hell of a lot more money!
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Actually CrazyPilot I must admit I had looked at others but not at the Cranfield one. Mainly looked at London City because I had met someone who did it but then again I am going to have a better look at Cranfield since, I too, found City's course rather pricey.
Intend to start over the summer/September time so still some time to make a more informed decision perhaps.
Intend to start over the summer/September time so still some time to make a more informed decision perhaps.
I would certainly recommend this course. I did it 10 years ago and the experience and kudos it provided were indispensible. It set me firmly on the path to a career in aviation and now I'm the MD of a successful aviation consulting company.
My advice to anyone considering this course is don't think about it - just do it!
My advice to anyone considering this course is don't think about it - just do it!
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I too am intersted in this course and I have red the perspectus from London. As mentioned above £7000 seems alot of money. Could somebody give me a point of contact where I could get hold of the Cranfield details so as to make a straight comparison.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
When comparing costs between the two courses make sure you are comparing like for like.
Cranfield offer 2 versions for the MSc - a full-time option for new graduates and a part-time option for people already in the industry. Look at the part-time cost - Cranfield themselves quote up to 13,000 pounds.
The City course is part-time and really designed for people with industrial experience - it is not recommended for the average new graduate.
Cranfield offer 2 versions for the MSc - a full-time option for new graduates and a part-time option for people already in the industry. Look at the part-time cost - Cranfield themselves quote up to 13,000 pounds.
The City course is part-time and really designed for people with industrial experience - it is not recommended for the average new graduate.
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With more than 20% of us aged 30+ we are not exactly a class full of young perky fresh grads here at Cranfield! And I am talking about the full time course!No reduction in enthusiam though!
Chicken Leg
This should be helpful for you
http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/soe/airtr...t/whatwedo.htm
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This should be helpful for you
http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/soe/airtr...t/whatwedo.htm
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Have you thought about going travelling now you've finished uni because I came across an MSc in Air Transport Management in Sydney check out the university of new south wales on http://www.aviation.unsw.edu.au/masters.htm#SUB
Im not sure if its any good but worth a comparison at least!
Im not sure if its any good but worth a comparison at least!
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I'm going to hopefully be starting the full time (1 year) Air Transport MSc at Cranfield this October (they gave me a conditional offer based on my current degree). To find out about it, jst go to www.cranfield.ac.uk/prospectus/soe/airtrans.htm
The course fees which the uni has given me for the next academic year stands at £2,940 (providing you are an EU student) so I think that's pretty much the same for most MSc taught courses.
The course looks very interesting...and I had a look around when I went for an interview there and the campus does seem to have a lot to offer too.
I did look at the City uni one too, although, as others have already said, I think it is aimed at people already in the industry rather than fresh grads, plus it costs a hell of a lot more!
To anyone who has done, or is on the course, where does it lead to? What jobs can you get, as someone with no prior work experience, on completion of the MSc? Are there any typical companies which tend to recruit new guys?
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I'm going to hopefully be starting the full time (1 year) Air Transport MSc at Cranfield this October (they gave me a conditional offer based on my current degree). To find out about it, jst go to www.cranfield.ac.uk/prospectus/soe/airtrans.htm
The course fees which the uni has given me for the next academic year stands at £2,940 (providing you are an EU student) so I think that's pretty much the same for most MSc taught courses.
The course looks very interesting...and I had a look around when I went for an interview there and the campus does seem to have a lot to offer too.
I did look at the City uni one too, although, as others have already said, I think it is aimed at people already in the industry rather than fresh grads, plus it costs a hell of a lot more!
To anyone who has done, or is on the course, where does it lead to? What jobs can you get, as someone with no prior work experience, on completion of the MSc? Are there any typical companies which tend to recruit new guys?
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To all those who are commenting on the fact that the City course is expensive compared to Cranfield, yes it true for EU students, who are are paying more than three times for the City course.
But also keep in mind that the same cranfield course costs £15000 for non EU students which makes it one of the most of the most expensive MSc courses in UK. As Groundloop mentioned already, when doing comparisons look at all the factors.
But also keep in mind that the same cranfield course costs £15000 for non EU students which makes it one of the most of the most expensive MSc courses in UK. As Groundloop mentioned already, when doing comparisons look at all the factors.
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Having done the Cranfield full-time course a few years back, I'd agree that it is a useful passport into the industry. In the "I wish I'd known that before I started" department, though:
- the intake in my year was predominantly fresh grads with no work experience (unlike me) so the opportunities for learning from classmates (as is typically the case on e.g. an MBA course) were limited. I think the admission standards have occasionally been a little wobbly (I suppose it's a natural dilemma in every college admissions department faced with falling enrollment: "do we admit these marginal candidates or reduce the size of the class - and our revenue?")
- Of the 30-odd in my class, I think there are now only two working in actual airlines (although many more wanted to go into airlines). A lot in aviation-related businesses, sure, but - even before Sept 11 - the course wasn't a smooth route into an airline for most.
On another note: I don't know if it's still the same, but there used to be subsidised flying for students in the college's Bulldogs. Great way to get a relatively cheap PPL in the UK if you can scrape the cash together.
Biggest recruiters in my year (pre Sept 11, remember!) were Airbus and SH&E (consultancy). The former are pretty regular. Easyjet had some interviews too.
Hope this helps.
- the intake in my year was predominantly fresh grads with no work experience (unlike me) so the opportunities for learning from classmates (as is typically the case on e.g. an MBA course) were limited. I think the admission standards have occasionally been a little wobbly (I suppose it's a natural dilemma in every college admissions department faced with falling enrollment: "do we admit these marginal candidates or reduce the size of the class - and our revenue?")
- Of the 30-odd in my class, I think there are now only two working in actual airlines (although many more wanted to go into airlines). A lot in aviation-related businesses, sure, but - even before Sept 11 - the course wasn't a smooth route into an airline for most.
On another note: I don't know if it's still the same, but there used to be subsidised flying for students in the college's Bulldogs. Great way to get a relatively cheap PPL in the UK if you can scrape the cash together.
Biggest recruiters in my year (pre Sept 11, remember!) were Airbus and SH&E (consultancy). The former are pretty regular. Easyjet had some interviews too.
Hope this helps.
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National Air Traffic Services are soon going to start offering certain members of staff, who are destined to be senior management stars, the one done at Warwick Uni. Gets a good write up from other members of industry.
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This from the NATS company intranet:
The management education framework and MSc in Transportation Business Management has been developed with Warwick Manufacturing Group (WMG), who will also deliver the majority of the modules within the framework.
WMG is a faculty within the School of Engineering at the University of Warwick and was founded in 1980. It has been independently rated as having excellent teaching and is backed by a University with a consistent top 10 research rating.
WMG works with over 300 companies on predominantly industrially funded projects.
WMG's work includes:
The strategic development of Engineering Manufacturing Companies (EMCs)
Technology transfer through the application of current and near current technology
Research and development including the development of new materials, processes and technologies
Europe's largest University based commercial Collaborative Product development and CAD/CAM group.
Industrial Simulation - The national B2B Centre (the national demonstrator for e-business and e-commerce best practices).
Fully integrated employee development.
Companies WMG has worked with include Astra Zeneca, BAE Systems, BMW, Bombardier Shorts, British Airways, Defence Logistics Organisation, Ford, GKN, London Electricity, ICI, Marconi, Rolls-Royce (Aero), Smiths Aerospace.
The management education framework and MSc in Transportation Business Management has been developed with Warwick Manufacturing Group (WMG), who will also deliver the majority of the modules within the framework.
WMG is a faculty within the School of Engineering at the University of Warwick and was founded in 1980. It has been independently rated as having excellent teaching and is backed by a University with a consistent top 10 research rating.
WMG works with over 300 companies on predominantly industrially funded projects.
WMG's work includes:
The strategic development of Engineering Manufacturing Companies (EMCs)
Technology transfer through the application of current and near current technology
Research and development including the development of new materials, processes and technologies
Europe's largest University based commercial Collaborative Product development and CAD/CAM group.
Industrial Simulation - The national B2B Centre (the national demonstrator for e-business and e-commerce best practices).
Fully integrated employee development.
Companies WMG has worked with include Astra Zeneca, BAE Systems, BMW, Bombardier Shorts, British Airways, Defence Logistics Organisation, Ford, GKN, London Electricity, ICI, Marconi, Rolls-Royce (Aero), Smiths Aerospace.
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The course gives an overview of the industry - a little bit of everything without any great depth. Bare in mind that each of those subjects that you have an overview of, is a subject worthy of study in its own right!! It’s great for grads that have minimal experience, if u already have any experience then its not necessarily such a good choice.
Some great guest speakers (former MSc students) compliment the resident staff, who have a wide range of experience and enthusiasm for the industry (some more than others!!).
Given the current industry climate, are you so sure it’s a wise idea to study such a specific syllabus as the Cranfield ATM MSc? The course makes u a 'Jack of All Subjects, but a Master of None', pardon the pun!
A lot of people out there have gained the same knowledge over the years working in the industry, thus, your knowledge is academic and your MSc seemingly commands a higher remuneration; you have no proven history where as those who've come up through the industry have, making them a better bet to an employer.
Consider subjects that give a new skills set that set u apart from others already in the industry, if you have any idea which field you want to get into, then this is much easier, manufacturing, development, airports, airlines, regulatory. DON'T become too specialised or specific in your studies, that was my mistake, I ended up with no leeway.
Good luck with whatever you chose to do!!
Some great guest speakers (former MSc students) compliment the resident staff, who have a wide range of experience and enthusiasm for the industry (some more than others!!).
Given the current industry climate, are you so sure it’s a wise idea to study such a specific syllabus as the Cranfield ATM MSc? The course makes u a 'Jack of All Subjects, but a Master of None', pardon the pun!
A lot of people out there have gained the same knowledge over the years working in the industry, thus, your knowledge is academic and your MSc seemingly commands a higher remuneration; you have no proven history where as those who've come up through the industry have, making them a better bet to an employer.
Consider subjects that give a new skills set that set u apart from others already in the industry, if you have any idea which field you want to get into, then this is much easier, manufacturing, development, airports, airlines, regulatory. DON'T become too specialised or specific in your studies, that was my mistake, I ended up with no leeway.
Good luck with whatever you chose to do!!