MSc Air Transport Management
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Mad Mancunian
Your views on the course are quite onesided.
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Yes, this is a course on Air Transport Management and not say something specialised on Airport Car Park Planning.
That said the course is well designed with sufficient depth in all the area of aviation industry and not just airline operations as many other courses do.
And in a one year MSc course you cannot go into any more depth than this course covers.
And the guest speakers are all not former MSc students either, and even if they are remember the course has run for over 30 years. The current years guest speakers have included among others the marketing director of a top airline. a former CEO of another and a VP of a leading GDS among many.
I came to this course after 8 years in the travel agency business. And I was getting into the very same trap you were talking about "becoming too narrow". The ATM course actually helps in having a good overview of the industry in sufficient depth and it is always better for an employer to have prospective employees having some idea and understanding of this specialised industry rather than having to train people from scratch.
In these hard times in the industry, the first jobs to get the axe are often these comprehensive management trainee schemes where selected ewmployees are trained in all functional areas of the job. Keeping this in mind the ATM course is one of the best options avaialble under the circumstances for boith fresh graduates as well as people with some years of experience in the industry who wish to broaden their horizons.
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Your views on the course are quite onesided.
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'Jack of All Subjects, but a Master of None'
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Yes, this is a course on Air Transport Management and not say something specialised on Airport Car Park Planning.
That said the course is well designed with sufficient depth in all the area of aviation industry and not just airline operations as many other courses do.
And in a one year MSc course you cannot go into any more depth than this course covers.
And the guest speakers are all not former MSc students either, and even if they are remember the course has run for over 30 years. The current years guest speakers have included among others the marketing director of a top airline. a former CEO of another and a VP of a leading GDS among many.
I came to this course after 8 years in the travel agency business. And I was getting into the very same trap you were talking about "becoming too narrow". The ATM course actually helps in having a good overview of the industry in sufficient depth and it is always better for an employer to have prospective employees having some idea and understanding of this specialised industry rather than having to train people from scratch.
In these hard times in the industry, the first jobs to get the axe are often these comprehensive management trainee schemes where selected ewmployees are trained in all functional areas of the job. Keeping this in mind the ATM course is one of the best options avaialble under the circumstances for boith fresh graduates as well as people with some years of experience in the industry who wish to broaden their horizons.
Cheers
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A lot of the responses here have been fairly consistent with the 'good all round' course theme. I can agree this fully, having graduated a couple of years ago.
If you want to learn about the air transport industry in a very general way then this is ideal.
However not really mentioned yet is the invaluable exposure you get to other key industry people and current trends. This helps you know what avenues / focus you should follow to effectively get into the business.
Also don't underestimate the contacts you'll make on the course - all like minded people interested in the industry who plan on working in it (well mostly anyway!). There's a whole circle of us who've been on the course who still keep in touch with industry affairs - very useful!
If you want to learn about the air transport industry in a very general way then this is ideal.
However not really mentioned yet is the invaluable exposure you get to other key industry people and current trends. This helps you know what avenues / focus you should follow to effectively get into the business.
Also don't underestimate the contacts you'll make on the course - all like minded people interested in the industry who plan on working in it (well mostly anyway!). There's a whole circle of us who've been on the course who still keep in touch with industry affairs - very useful!
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Not quite in the same league but hey. I'm doing the Bsc in Air transport management at loughborough. The lecturers are excellent and really know their stuff. I know that lufbra is working very closely with east mids and heathrow at the moment. Don't really know about the msc side of things. I've met a few Phd students doing work for local cargo operators, and the department has an excellent relationship with industry. Send me a PM and i'll give you the names and phone numbers of the people you should talk to here at loughborough for more info. And yes the Msc is called Airport planning and design ( i think)
go to http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/c...ort/index.html for more info
go to http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/c...ort/index.html for more info
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You should check out the MBA in Aviation offered by Concordia University, in Montreal Canada in Collaboration with IATA.
John Molson is a top Business school in North America.
http://www.johnmolson.concordia.ca/amba/index.html
John Molson is a top Business school in North America.
http://www.johnmolson.concordia.ca/amba/index.html
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It's over ten years since I did the Cranfield course, but there is possibly still the same factor involved regarding people's circumstances. Namely at that time, having been abroad with the forces, I did not have my own house in the UK. It was soon obvious from a quick calculation that the subsidised campus accommodation provided to married students was at such a level that the money saved in rental payments over the year was greater than the cost of the course itself! I wonder if this is still the case? It certainly helped and at the time the house price market was not going up crazily so it made sense.
I certainly found the course interesting, but one of the most enjoyable aspects was the diversity of nationalities among the students. Sitting in the bar on a Sunday night trying to agree on a project between an Algerian, Mauritian, Vietnamese, Bhutanese, Cypriot and a Taiwanese was really something to behold and even Kofi Annan would have stuggled to get some concensus!!
Happy memories and hope it is still the same.
I certainly found the course interesting, but one of the most enjoyable aspects was the diversity of nationalities among the students. Sitting in the bar on a Sunday night trying to agree on a project between an Algerian, Mauritian, Vietnamese, Bhutanese, Cypriot and a Taiwanese was really something to behold and even Kofi Annan would have stuggled to get some concensus!!
Happy memories and hope it is still the same.
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are there any current cranfield msc students ppruning... i start the course this autumn and would like to ask a few questions. email address is in my profile...
thanks!
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I am currently an MSc student there.
Your profile wont enable me to view your email details.
Pvt Msg them to me.
The odd thing is - there arent that many CURRENT students I know of who do PPRUNE.
I am currently an MSc student there.
Your profile wont enable me to view your email details.
Pvt Msg them to me.
The odd thing is - there arent that many CURRENT students I know of who do PPRUNE.
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This is for those of the Cranfield ATM grads who have not yet heard.
The department has an alumini board up and running on the net for the past few months.
Please contact Keith Mason or Andy Foster at the department and they should be able to give you a user name and password if you havent got one already.
Helps continue the networking which I also agree have been the biggest highlight of the course. The international character still remained when I was there a couple of years back -33 from 22 countries want too bad , although as I understand the intake as well as the nationality mix has come down in the current year.
Flyer Flyer - if I guess your year at Cranfield correctly, a couple of your mates are now back in Cranfiled for their PHDs (I remember since they were also talking aboutyour Bhutaneese mate as well!)
Wonderful memories - now if it only it translates to a wonderful job....!
Cheers
Bojangles - yes it is unfortunate that more ATM students seeem to know of the spotters board than pprune. During my time also there were just a couple of others beside myself ppruning!
The department has an alumini board up and running on the net for the past few months.
Please contact Keith Mason or Andy Foster at the department and they should be able to give you a user name and password if you havent got one already.
Helps continue the networking which I also agree have been the biggest highlight of the course. The international character still remained when I was there a couple of years back -33 from 22 countries want too bad , although as I understand the intake as well as the nationality mix has come down in the current year.
Flyer Flyer - if I guess your year at Cranfield correctly, a couple of your mates are now back in Cranfiled for their PHDs (I remember since they were also talking aboutyour Bhutaneese mate as well!)
Wonderful memories - now if it only it translates to a wonderful job....!
Cheers
Bojangles - yes it is unfortunate that more ATM students seeem to know of the spotters board than pprune. During my time also there were just a couple of others beside myself ppruning!
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After reading all the above I feel I might have completed the wrong course. Dec 2000 I completed a MSc in Aviation Management from Southampton University, it was a good course which combined aviation modules whith those from the MBA. In career progression terms it has not helped at all, and I'm still at the same level as I would have been if I didn't have the MSc. I am now studying for a MA in Management.
Good luck with the course though.
Good luck with the course though.
"Cranfield is the place to be for an MSc in Air Transport, period. The other Uni's just don't have the facilities, industry backing nor research capabilities I think "
Trainer, 90% of the lecturers on City's course are from industry. Also, how come it has grown to be the largest course of its type in the World with over 300 students? There must be something right about it.
Trainer, 90% of the lecturers on City's course are from industry. Also, how come it has grown to be the largest course of its type in the World with over 300 students? There must be something right about it.
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from the Cranfield side...
Hello
rsoman For your information, there are 27 students made up of 18 different nationalities on the current course. Recognise your name....think I asked you some questions about the course one year ago when I was still searching!
I understand you have a few questions regarding the Air Transport MSc....I am currently on the course, so please just ask!
The course is excellent, you will learn a lot about the industry from all aspects, it can be quite challenging at times, the usual stuff really. Most of the lecturers know a hell of a lot, and the industry contacts which we have are pretty impressive....many senior airline staff/consultants/airport managers/a highly amusing and very knowledgable Chief Boeing Economist guy etc come and see us, our past group director went off to become the CEO for Olympic Airways (you heard of Rigas Doganis?), now the current CEO of Olympic Airways is actually one of the part time MSc students which is quite funny.
The last piece of assessment for the taught part of the course is a group project in which we start up an airline (in groups of 9 people) and we gave our final presentations today. From now on, it is full-time thesis work (like most other MSc's).
You will do a number of core modules in the first term, plus core and elective modules in the second term.....I took Airline Marketing and Airline Safety Management/Air Crash Investigation....both really interesting. We get to take part in a mock air crash investigation sometime next month on the airfield (I think they try and plough one of the Jetstream 31 aircraft into the ground ...should be fun)...
Regarding which university to study at...up to you really. I know someone who has been on the Air Transport course at City University and they thought it was great. I cannot be certain, but the content appears to be in-line with what we are taught here at Cranfield. Also, I think the average age of City Uni Air Tran students is a bit higher than it is here (about 1/2 of us are fresh from undergraduate degrees). What can be said is that both courses are well known throughout the industry...
There you go....now your turn to ask questions!
Regards
Jason
oh, and for your interested minds, don't know if you have seen the recent video of the launch of Independance air (flyi.com) over in the US....particularly 'interesting'
The link is
http://www.videonewswire.com/event.asp?id=22781
Make sure you have sound if you watch this video....makes it all the more funnier. Must say though, how will they make money? There seems to be a number of fundamental 'differences' in the way in which they operate....one example is that they appear to be offering a 'maximum fare' for any particular route...Revenue Management ???? Looks like an interesting company none the less...
rsoman For your information, there are 27 students made up of 18 different nationalities on the current course. Recognise your name....think I asked you some questions about the course one year ago when I was still searching!
I understand you have a few questions regarding the Air Transport MSc....I am currently on the course, so please just ask!
The course is excellent, you will learn a lot about the industry from all aspects, it can be quite challenging at times, the usual stuff really. Most of the lecturers know a hell of a lot, and the industry contacts which we have are pretty impressive....many senior airline staff/consultants/airport managers/a highly amusing and very knowledgable Chief Boeing Economist guy etc come and see us, our past group director went off to become the CEO for Olympic Airways (you heard of Rigas Doganis?), now the current CEO of Olympic Airways is actually one of the part time MSc students which is quite funny.
The last piece of assessment for the taught part of the course is a group project in which we start up an airline (in groups of 9 people) and we gave our final presentations today. From now on, it is full-time thesis work (like most other MSc's).
You will do a number of core modules in the first term, plus core and elective modules in the second term.....I took Airline Marketing and Airline Safety Management/Air Crash Investigation....both really interesting. We get to take part in a mock air crash investigation sometime next month on the airfield (I think they try and plough one of the Jetstream 31 aircraft into the ground ...should be fun)...
Regarding which university to study at...up to you really. I know someone who has been on the Air Transport course at City University and they thought it was great. I cannot be certain, but the content appears to be in-line with what we are taught here at Cranfield. Also, I think the average age of City Uni Air Tran students is a bit higher than it is here (about 1/2 of us are fresh from undergraduate degrees). What can be said is that both courses are well known throughout the industry...
There you go....now your turn to ask questions!
Regards
Jason
oh, and for your interested minds, don't know if you have seen the recent video of the launch of Independance air (flyi.com) over in the US....particularly 'interesting'
The link is
http://www.videonewswire.com/event.asp?id=22781
Make sure you have sound if you watch this video....makes it all the more funnier. Must say though, how will they make money? There seems to be a number of fundamental 'differences' in the way in which they operate....one example is that they appear to be offering a 'maximum fare' for any particular route...Revenue Management ???? Looks like an interesting company none the less...
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