Degree that accredited with our atpl studies
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Degree that accredited with our atpl studies
Hey guys,
hoping I’m in the right forum.
Recently I got interested by doing a degree in a university that respects our pilot studies.
i know our studies is worth 2 years of academic experience.
anyone did or knows a program or 1 or 2 years of studies that at the end will worth a bechalor degree ?
thanks for the help
hoping I’m in the right forum.
Recently I got interested by doing a degree in a university that respects our pilot studies.
i know our studies is worth 2 years of academic experience.
anyone did or knows a program or 1 or 2 years of studies that at the end will worth a bechalor degree ?
thanks for the help
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Embry-Riddle (ERAU) in the United States will convert a CPL or ATPL towards credits for a Bachelor's of Science Degree, but it was not even close to being worth 2 years' worth. I seem to recall I was awarded 30 credits for my ATPL; only about 1/4 of that required for the degree - or, in the terms you've used, 1 years worth.
I hate to word it like this, but many pilots overestimate the amount of education earned as a result of our pilot studies. Our training is by no means insignificant, and it's nothing to shake our heads at. But it is very specialized, and because of this specialization, we walk away with a somewhat inflated sense of our wider knowledge. Completing studies up to the ATPL is about the same level of education as that required to earn a diploma from a technical college, or about what you would earn completing the components of a major in a degree program. It's a lot, but not varied enough to consider it 2 year's worth in a degree program. Consider this: We get almost zero training in creative writing, economics, mathematics (think calculus), statistics, or the management courses - all required for my degree, and none of which were credited when I started.
Of course, I have but only one program to relate to. I'm sure there are others out there, but I'd be very surprised (and very interested) if any gave half (4-year) or two thirds (3-year) worth of knowledge as credits.
I hate to word it like this, but many pilots overestimate the amount of education earned as a result of our pilot studies. Our training is by no means insignificant, and it's nothing to shake our heads at. But it is very specialized, and because of this specialization, we walk away with a somewhat inflated sense of our wider knowledge. Completing studies up to the ATPL is about the same level of education as that required to earn a diploma from a technical college, or about what you would earn completing the components of a major in a degree program. It's a lot, but not varied enough to consider it 2 year's worth in a degree program. Consider this: We get almost zero training in creative writing, economics, mathematics (think calculus), statistics, or the management courses - all required for my degree, and none of which were credited when I started.
Of course, I have but only one program to relate to. I'm sure there are others out there, but I'd be very surprised (and very interested) if any gave half (4-year) or two thirds (3-year) worth of knowledge as credits.
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Hey +TSRA,
Thanks for your reply, but here in Europe there are few programs who are credited the flght training as 2 academic years.
Is anyone by any chance whos about some programs in Europe and can recomend me?
Thanks for your reply, but here in Europe there are few programs who are credited the flght training as 2 academic years.
Is anyone by any chance whos about some programs in Europe and can recomend me?
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I looked up a couple in the UK, none give you ATPL credits. All are 3-4 full time years. I couldn't see any degree that's from an accredited university less than 3 years.
You can do a Masters in 1-2 years but the ones I looked at in the UK don't do ATPL subjects per se. Coventry Uni may look at your ATPL studies and relevant industry experience for admission.
You can do a Masters in 1-2 years but the ones I looked at in the UK don't do ATPL subjects per se. Coventry Uni may look at your ATPL studies and relevant industry experience for admission.
Why would anyone expect ATPL studies to have any bearing on a degree?
Academically ATPL is no more demanding than high school (probably about year 10), and much less than that on many levels, it's just a question of accurately remembering and regurgitating vasts amounts of low-grade information and procedures.
There is not a shred, not one iota of the original thinking, research and intellectual rigour a degree is supposed to involve.
The only common factor is the dedication and singlemindedness required (for just one year as opposed to Uni's three or four...) - otherwise they're as similar as chalk and cheese.
Academically ATPL is no more demanding than high school (probably about year 10), and much less than that on many levels, it's just a question of accurately remembering and regurgitating vasts amounts of low-grade information and procedures.
There is not a shred, not one iota of the original thinking, research and intellectual rigour a degree is supposed to involve.
The only common factor is the dedication and singlemindedness required (for just one year as opposed to Uni's three or four...) - otherwise they're as similar as chalk and cheese.
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From memory, look at Kingston/Bucks in the UK for this type of degree. Kingston used to do a top up year that would 'convert' your ATPL to a degree. That was in 2009-2010.
However. I strongly suggest if you're going to do a degree, pick something that is a) useful and directly applicable to a career and b) has nothing to do with aviation.
I'd also echo other previous comments on this thread about eqivalence: ATPL theory/pilot training etc does not equal degree level education IMHO.
However. I strongly suggest if you're going to do a degree, pick something that is a) useful and directly applicable to a career and b) has nothing to do with aviation.
I'd also echo other previous comments on this thread about eqivalence: ATPL theory/pilot training etc does not equal degree level education IMHO.
If you are prepared to limit your scope of study to some aviation-related subject area you might find that it's easier to go into a Masters programme. I know of several courses for which a professional aviation licence and some real life experience would be accepted in lieu of a first degree. But to echo +TSRA's thoughts, I would caution against thinking that it will be a piece of cake - the qualities required to complete such a course are significantly more extensive than those required to get a licence.
I concur fully with hobbit1983' comments about picking something that either will help in your chosen career or is completely different. But to be slightly more nuanced, my advice to people starting out is to study subjects that have applicability to aviation - this business can be cruel and it is too easy to suddenly find yourself unable to use your licence. Having knowledge which can supplement your aviation knowledge can be very valuable. With the European regs as they are, safety/crisis management can be very useful!
I concur fully with hobbit1983' comments about picking something that either will help in your chosen career or is completely different. But to be slightly more nuanced, my advice to people starting out is to study subjects that have applicability to aviation - this business can be cruel and it is too easy to suddenly find yourself unable to use your licence. Having knowledge which can supplement your aviation knowledge can be very valuable. With the European regs as they are, safety/crisis management can be very useful!
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If you are prepared to limit your scope of study to some aviation-related subject area you might find that it's easier to go into a Masters programme. I know of several courses for which a professional aviation licence and some real life experience would be accepted in lieu of a first degree. But to echo +TSRA's thoughts, I would caution against thinking that it will be a piece of cake - the qualities required to complete such a course are significantly more extensive than those required to get a licence.
I concur fully with hobbit1983' comments about picking something that either will help in your chosen career or is completely different. But to be slightly more nuanced, my advice to people starting out is to study subjects that have applicability to aviation - this business can be cruel and it is too easy to suddenly find yourself unable to use your licence. Having knowledge which can supplement your aviation knowledge can be very valuable. With the European regs as they are, safety/crisis management can be very useful!
I concur fully with hobbit1983' comments about picking something that either will help in your chosen career or is completely different. But to be slightly more nuanced, my advice to people starting out is to study subjects that have applicability to aviation - this business can be cruel and it is too easy to suddenly find yourself unable to use your licence. Having knowledge which can supplement your aviation knowledge can be very valuable. With the European regs as they are, safety/crisis management can be very useful!
