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Old 2nd Feb 2021, 20:00
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Actually, almost all jobs have to requalify if they want to work in Europe. Services are not part of the TCA and therefore professional qualifications are not recognized in the EU. Want to be an architect in the EU? Well, sit all your exams in the EU again, provide EU work experience (usually done as an intern) and so on. The UK wanted to be out of the EU, and they are now out. They have the same standing and the same rules applied to them as any other third country. In fact, most of those barriers were written into the EU rules by UK experts, so the UK should be very much aware of those problems, they designed them.
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Old 2nd Feb 2021, 20:01
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EASA brexit side. That was already mentioned on that one in 2017, so it is hardly new information, back then it was for a hard brexit, and for services, of which aviation is just one, it is a hard brexit.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 07:13
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Yes I do know people who have got jobs within the last 12 months, Turkey, Vietnam and Malta. All experienced pilots. I am told that RYR have recently started TR courses. However, I have not heard of any British pilots getting a position since the new Brexit rules came into force. I do know that these rules are creating bad feeling amongst some UK pilots who feel discriminated against.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 09:48
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The key thing for British citizens to take from this is, come next election, remember who campaigned for Brexit, who pushed for it, who arranged for this awesome deal and who cheered it as the best thing since sliced bread.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 11:12
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The CAA have never been underfunded. I tried to renew my licence recently but they didnt reply to my e- mail question and nobody would answer the phone.
There just a poorly run government department. IMHO
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 13:06
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The CAA have intimated they will issue UK Part FCL licences from April 2021. In the meantime, have we contacted all appropriate NAAs to check if they offer equivalency for a SOLI transfer prior to this? Will the CAA process such an application if made now?
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Ascoteer View Post
The CAA have intimated they will issue UK Part FCL licences from April 2021.
Source for this?

Originally Posted by Ascoteer View Post
In the meantime, have we contacted all appropriate NAAs to check if they offer equivalency for a SOLI transfer prior to this?
I have contacted 8 or so NAAs. Most haven't responded. Switzerland and Norway replied with a "go away leave me alone" kind of reply.

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Will the CAA process such an application if made now?
No, as stated on their website. A SOLI transfer can't be started anymore.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 16:32
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Cut and paste from CAA EU exit microsite FAQs.

The CAA is currently developing a process to enable pilots to apply for the issue of a UK Part-FCL licence based on the licence they hold with an EASA member state. This will be available to pilots that previously held an EASA licence and transferred it out, and to pilots that hold a licence issued by an EASA member state prior to 31 December 2020. This will be available from 1 April 2021.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 17:59
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SOLI probably wasn't the right term, I suppose we would have to be looking for some level of accreditation in order to be issued a new licence elsewhere. As most of us have completed EASA exams, and hold an EASA recurrent and medical, I'm in hope that some level of equivalency might be levied by a country looking to make a quick buck; I'm guessing this won't be a quick process, though.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 18:48
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If you completed the exams with the UK CAA, those exams are no longer EASA exams. This is what's really amazing of this whole issue. The same for your medical, if held with the UK CAA, it's no longer an EASA medical.

At the moment one of two ways of getting an EASA licence holding a UK licence is to go through the ICAO conversion process which involves:
  • Re-doing all the EASA exams
  • Re-doing an INITIAL Class 1
  • Assessment by an ATO with training as required
  • Re-doing the skills tests for CPL and IR.

The other way is to get a US licence and make use of the US-EU bilateral agreement. Not sure what this involves.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 18:58
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Ireland is the obvious choice for an EASA licence but I am told they are maxed out and don't have enough staff to cope, The same applies to medicals. Pilots have been left trying to second guess which licence/medical to have and now the authorities haven't got the capacity to provide the service and reverse unfortunate bad but well intentioned choices, and Covid problems just add to the chaos. AME's are struggling to cope with more complex PPE medicals, many are shielding and have closed down and some have retired. Adding to this, the CAA is about to put everything online and this is going to lead to more AME angst. I believe the Irish AME's (there aren't enough of them) are struggling too. Oh and the Govt dumped Brexit chaos on top of this just to add a bit more pointless chaos and confusion to satisfy the people who simply and irrationally just hate the E in EASA..
All this is being pointed out to Shapps by people who care and who are trying to smooth over the cracks but it sounds like he is just stone-walling them or doesn't understand or care.
I also heard that Ryanair have been caught out by this because there is so little EASA medical capacity in the UK and travelling abroad to get one done is a nightmare, There is very little spare medical capacity in the EU for the same reasons above.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 22:07
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Voted for the B word and been had? Welcome to the club.
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Old 5th Feb 2021, 09:45
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ICAO to UK

Any thoughts/ideas on how UK citizens returning to UK, who hold Canadian/Australian ATPL’s with 1000s of hours airline experience, will obtain a UK CAA ATP? Cheers
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Old 6th Feb 2021, 04:42
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It all could have been avoided with a simple grandfather rights, such as when we joined EASA. Then it would have filtered through and sorted itself out eventually as people retired etc, instead of a the sudden upheaval. That would have been the logical sensible approach.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 21:24
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Is there any new news on this subject ?

Surely the UK CAA and Easa could work something out to accept each other’s qualifications without having to go through the whole exams, medical and possibly flight training again.
Switzerland which is not in the EU managed to get some kind of deal so that they are also in EASA.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 23:36
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The Swiss have accepted some of aspects of the EU and have treaties that cover it.
Something the UK government refuses to do.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swit...chengen%20Area.
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