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What’s happening with UK “EASA” license and the mutual recognition between EU and UK. Having been made redundant like so many of us the Europe market for jobs is now not even an option!
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I think the saying is up #### creek without a paddle, unless the politicians get their act together on this. Which, with the current situation in the UK, seems unlikely. An update from BALPA yesterday was not promising.
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The situation is extremely ****** up right now.
EASA now treats the UK as an ICAO Third-Country. But it does so retroactively as well, meaning that if you had obtained your licence while the UK was in EASA, it is now no longer an EASA licence. This is what I am most amazed about.
There are two routes to go from an ICAO licence to an EASA licence:
It's all just very depressing and ridiculous at the moment.
EASA now treats the UK as an ICAO Third-Country. But it does so retroactively as well, meaning that if you had obtained your licence while the UK was in EASA, it is now no longer an EASA licence. This is what I am most amazed about.
There are two routes to go from an ICAO licence to an EASA licence:
- Commisssion Delegated Regulation EU 2020/723 of 4 March 2020
- US-EU Bilateral Aviation Safety Agreement
It's all just very depressing and ridiculous at the moment.
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But it does so retroactively as well, meaning that if you had obtained your licence while the UK was in EASA, it is now no longer an EASA licence
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It’s totally ridiculous! Unfair and unjust. So many of us have lost of our jobs as a result of Covid. To subsequently realize your “EASA” license is no longer EASA and any job opportunity that may have come you are no longer eligible for! It’s demoralizing! I really hope this changes. ASAP
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https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/faqs/brexit
They have screwed us pretty badly. Me even more so since I am not a UK national and am caught in the middle of all this mess, with a licence that has now become virtually worthless and with addtional further training and cost required to be employable in Europe and in my home country...
https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/faqs/brexit
They have screwed us pretty badly. Me even more so since I am not a UK national and am caught in the middle of all this mess, with a licence that has now become virtually worthless and with addtional further training and cost required to be employable in Europe and in my home country...
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Exactly.
If you have more than 1000 hours there are "validation" routes from ICAO to EASA. But for a 200 hour CPL/IR like myself, this situation is extremely depressing. To the point of even considering whether this whole pursuit is worth it anymore or should I just give up and do something else.
Exactly.
If you have more than 1000 hours there are "validation" routes from ICAO to EASA. But for a 200 hour CPL/IR like myself, this situation is extremely depressing. To the point of even considering whether this whole pursuit is worth it anymore or should I just give up and do something else.
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The situation is not in the least different in EASAland right now, so you won't miss any jobs without an EASA license. There are simply none to be found no matter what license you have.
The situation is not in the least different in EASAland right now, so you won't miss any jobs without an EASA license. There are simply none to be found no matter what license you have.
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That is not true. Over the last few weeks I have seen some adverts for aircrew in Europe which have required an EASA license, one such less than an hour ago for an airline that is reasonably well known. These jobs are no longer open to UK pilots unless the hoops, which are many and expensive, are jumped through. The reverse is not true of any UK domiciled jobs, which have been extremely rare, but can be held by EASA licensees. It is not a level playing field, it is not just and it needs sorting out.
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We will study the detail of the new agreements and will update relevant pages of the microsite as information becomes clearer about how the new arrangements will work in practice. We will notify stakeholders of the updates through the SkyWise alert system. If you haven’t already done so, please subscribe to the EU exit category in the SkyWise system: skywise.caa.co.uk
That to me says the CAA was not involved in the transition negotiations, which as the relevant and most knowledgeable government body on the subject, who the heck was?
We will study the detail of the new agreements and will update relevant pages of the microsite as information becomes clearer about how the new arrangements will work in practice. We will notify stakeholders of the updates through the SkyWise alert system. If you haven’t already done so, please subscribe to the EU exit category in the SkyWise system: skywise.caa.co.uk
That to me says the CAA was not involved in the transition negotiations, which as the relevant and most knowledgeable government body on the subject, who the heck was?
The point I would make is that just because you have an EASA licence doesn’t mean you can come and work here. You need a work visa as well. So European pilots with out British settled status are barred from working here. With or without an EASA licence.
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From my experience, the vast majority of the jobs advertised in Europe also required the relevant language not just English and most Brits didn’t qualify, despite the EASA licence.
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Last two posts ring true - in addition to the EASA licence you would most likely need the right to live and work in the EU...and many of those airlines currently recruiting (mainly cargo) require you to be an EU national or have the right to live/work in the EU.
I’m sorry to say this, but this is the unfortunate result of the referendum in 2016.....but it’s ok, because now we have our sovereignty back , and life is so much better outside the EU....
I’m sorry to say this, but this is the unfortunate result of the referendum in 2016.....but it’s ok, because now we have our sovereignty back , and life is so much better outside the EU....
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Has anybody been hired from one of these adverts? Of our students no one has been hired since about one year. And they all have an EASA license and EU citizenship. And of all the experienced pilots I know who have lost their job since the COVID crisis no one has been re-hired yet.
Has anybody been hired from one of these adverts? Of our students no one has been hired since about one year. And they all have an EASA license and EU citizenship. And of all the experienced pilots I know who have lost their job since the COVID crisis no one has been re-hired yet.
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Not all jobs out there are in Europe. There are UK based jobs with aircraft European registered. I have over 15000 hours and now find myself almost unemployable. I’ve still got 20 years to give to this industry. It’s an insult to have to sit exams I’ve already sat and passed over 20 years ago! This needs to be rectified ASAP! We have all found ourselves mixed up in politics. Seriously!! What other professions have to re-qualify for the same job when they already had the correct qualification!
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Well, I appreciate it if that’s supposed to be a consolation, but it’s still a
one.
I’d much rather have the problem of “not having a job” than the problem of “not having a licence AND not having a job”. It’s one step further down the ladder of problems...
Also I’m in a particularly ****ty situation as I am not a British but an EU national. My British licence won’t help me find a job in my home country...
Well, I appreciate it if that’s supposed to be a consolation, but it’s still a
one.I’d much rather have the problem of “not having a job” than the problem of “not having a licence AND not having a job”. It’s one step further down the ladder of problems...
Also I’m in a particularly ****ty situation as I am not a British but an EU national. My British licence won’t help me find a job in my home country...
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Indeed.
Want to start a pressure group or something to try and lobby politicians to fight for this issue? Because that’s what it is, politics.
One has been working hard to go through the qualification process to then have some politicians just destroy everything and mess with people’s life’s like that. It’s disgusting.
Indeed.
Want to start a pressure group or something to try and lobby politicians to fight for this issue? Because that’s what it is, politics.
One has been working hard to go through the qualification process to then have some politicians just destroy everything and mess with people’s life’s like that. It’s disgusting.