737 Engine Fire checklist
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What are we supposed to call for when we get an engine fire on the 737?
I assume this also applies to all Boeing types.
My present company expects me to ask for " Engine fire or engine severe damage or separation" checklist.
I think this is wrong.
Apart from the fact that the fire will have burned out by the time I've finished calling for the checklist, the quick action index at the front of the QRH lists two separate drills. One is the "Engine Fire" drill, and the other is the "Engine Severe Damage or Separation" drill. Both lead to the same set of actions.
I know it sounds a bit pedantic, but that's where we are with SOPs these days.
What does the panel think?
I assume this also applies to all Boeing types.
My present company expects me to ask for " Engine fire or engine severe damage or separation" checklist.
I think this is wrong.
Apart from the fact that the fire will have burned out by the time I've finished calling for the checklist, the quick action index at the front of the QRH lists two separate drills. One is the "Engine Fire" drill, and the other is the "Engine Severe Damage or Separation" drill. Both lead to the same set of actions.
I know it sounds a bit pedantic, but that's where we are with SOPs these days.
What does the panel think?
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Depends on the SOP and the culture in the company.
What happens if PF calls for "Engine separation, fire or severe damage" NNC instead of "ENGINE FIRE or Engine severe damage or separation" NNC??
How would PM have a clue of what checklist to bring out?
Relax and get the big picture instead of nitpicking yourself into trouble.
What happens if PF calls for "Engine separation, fire or severe damage" NNC instead of "ENGINE FIRE or Engine severe damage or separation" NNC??
How would PM have a clue of what checklist to bring out?
Relax and get the big picture instead of nitpicking yourself into trouble.
It will depend on how your company QRH is written. Mine (75/76) has one drill entitled 'Engine Fire or Severe Damage or Separation', then it's all about diagnosis. It always involves pulling the engine fire switch, at which point there is a condition statement 'if the engine fire warning light is illuminated' etc etc.
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My QRH actually splits the title in the checklist in 2: ENGINE FIRE and the other one
Also, 2 Quick Action indices for both.
But, if your company insists, why do you care? Its not safety related and they pay your wage
Also, 2 Quick Action indices for both.
But, if your company insists, why do you care? Its not safety related and they pay your wage
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There's no rush. There'll be still be plenty of fire to put out and lots of wing for the burning wreckage to hang onto. So if the omnipotent powers in the training department want the form of words "X" complete with a Benny Hill salute, give it to them. Yup, it's pointless and something like "Engine Fire checklist" sounds better, but some people appear to suffer from an inappropriate arousal if the wrong words are used. They probably suffer from the similar problems at home; like if their knife is placed on the table the wrong way round they won't be able to eat! Learn the words, blurt them out and stick a silent naughty word on the back end if the request.
Or don't regurgitate the exact words, but communicate clearly including either the words 'fire' or 'severe damage'.
Ensure that the actual check is flown to a very high standard.
That way, you give the anal checkie something to hook into you on the debrief. Some guys really need to have things to criticize. It enhances the blood flow to their nether regions.
In a former life we had a guy who was fixated on a couple of really minor things which he had decided should be done his way rather than Boeing's way, so I always did these 'wrong' to wind him up. The F/Os all knew about my little mind game and went along with it, knowing that it would also work to their advantage. This checkie would become sufficiently agitated by my gross disregard of what he wanted that he invariably missed most of our real mistakes. You could actually feel this guy bouncing on the edge of the instructor seat and hear his furious scribbling of debrief notes. But, other than a slight mark down for SOP, we always got good enough grades. After all, we had to be on the roster the next day so he could skive off to see his girlfriend.
Ensure that the actual check is flown to a very high standard.
That way, you give the anal checkie something to hook into you on the debrief. Some guys really need to have things to criticize. It enhances the blood flow to their nether regions.
In a former life we had a guy who was fixated on a couple of really minor things which he had decided should be done his way rather than Boeing's way, so I always did these 'wrong' to wind him up. The F/Os all knew about my little mind game and went along with it, knowing that it would also work to their advantage. This checkie would become sufficiently agitated by my gross disregard of what he wanted that he invariably missed most of our real mistakes. You could actually feel this guy bouncing on the edge of the instructor seat and hear his furious scribbling of debrief notes. But, other than a slight mark down for SOP, we always got good enough grades. After all, we had to be on the roster the next day so he could skive off to see his girlfriend.
When I was in the RAAF the story went around of a C130A Hercules QFI (check captain in airline parlance) with the nickname of "Twisty." Before engine start he would tie a plumb line (a lead weight attached to a line used to determine if a wall was vertical) to the overhead panel and dangle it between the two pilots. You guessed it - he wanted to see if the aircraft was skidding or slipping during instrument rating tests. Now you can see why he was called "Twisty". He would sit in the RH seat and right from the get-go would scribble notes furiously on a note pad for de-briefing purposes. It was most distracting as you can imagine.
One day he is there to conduct an instrument rating test on a Royal Air Force exchange C130 captain, who had little time for Twisty's little games.
As usual, Twisty hung his plumb line on the cockpit roof. The RAF pilot gravely looked across the flight deck at Twisty and pulling a set of scissors, calmly cut the line in half. That buggered the slip and skid assessment.
Twisty got his knickers in a knot and started to scribble furiously on his note pad. Whereupon, the RAF pilot (I think his name was Flight Lieutenant Woods), delved into his own nav.bag and produced a similar note pad and he too scribbled furiously.
During the flight as soon as Twisty scribbled comments, F/L Woods would do the same. Two pilots scribbling hate notes about each other. I would love to see that in present day simulator checks. That story went around the RAAF for years. Which is why I remember it. I cannot vouchsafe for absolute accuracy, as these stories tend to be embellished with recounting. But knowing Twisty, who was on my Pilots Course, I can believe it. If you read this Twisty, tell us the truth
One day he is there to conduct an instrument rating test on a Royal Air Force exchange C130 captain, who had little time for Twisty's little games.
As usual, Twisty hung his plumb line on the cockpit roof. The RAF pilot gravely looked across the flight deck at Twisty and pulling a set of scissors, calmly cut the line in half. That buggered the slip and skid assessment.
Twisty got his knickers in a knot and started to scribble furiously on his note pad. Whereupon, the RAF pilot (I think his name was Flight Lieutenant Woods), delved into his own nav.bag and produced a similar note pad and he too scribbled furiously.
During the flight as soon as Twisty scribbled comments, F/L Woods would do the same. Two pilots scribbling hate notes about each other. I would love to see that in present day simulator checks. That story went around the RAAF for years. Which is why I remember it. I cannot vouchsafe for absolute accuracy, as these stories tend to be embellished with recounting. But knowing Twisty, who was on my Pilots Course, I can believe it. If you read this Twisty, tell us the truth
