International Delivery of New B787s
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International Delivery of New B787s
Does anyone know? Domestic deliveries and most foreign deliveries of new 787s have become a routine procedure. Boeing gets the wire transfer, throws a small party, signs a few papers, hands over the 'keys,' and the new owner climbs into the sky. For a few foreign deliveries, reports indicate a short hop to Vancouver, BC for "additional registration paperwork." Can anyone explain this process, why it is necessary, yet in only a few cases? I won't waste space guessing because I don't know. Thanks in advance.
Many Airbus deliveries from Toulouse spend a few minutes in UK airspace on delivery (but without landing) before heading off in the opposite direction, I'm told for similar reasons.
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Thanks. That's a great start. Can anyone be a bit more specific? Yes, I can imagine that the whatever tax on a $200M - $300M machine could be a substantial chunk of pocket change. More details, please.
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When I was involved in deliveries from Toulouse there was definitely a 'procedure' for my airline (one from asia pacific buying A380's - I.E lots of money)
During the delivery process it was a very well noted fact that the aircraft was still owned by Airbus and that 'we' couldn't touch or do anything to the aircraft (I.E install customer specified equipment or software etc)
TOT - transfer of title occured once Airbus and 'we' were happy with the state of the A/C (I.E after lots of system checks, inspections, flight test etc).
TOT involved the actual Wire transfer from my company to Airbus of the agreed purchace price - heavily guarded secret but I believe in the case of our A380's in the region of $270 million USD. This was done 'movie style' with the finance people from Airbus and our company sweating over computers to effect and verify the electronic money transfer to Airbus/EADS. This electronic transfer occured soon after a fairly lavish lunch involving both sides and all and sundry hangers on. We're talking fine French dining and Champagne. Bare in mind that these were A380's - the pride of the fleet - if you were buying an A320 - effectively a taxi, there was no great lunch/champagne etc. Delivery process for a 380 was about 14 days, for a 320 about 2-3 days (they've been doing these since 1989)
Once the above was verified it 'became' our aircraft and we had a limited time to install our customised software and equipment and drive it off the parking lot. Also the French rego on the aircraft was removed and our national rego and flag revealed from under the covers.
After TOT the A/C was effectively owned by the airline (for a very short time). After take-off from Toulouse and during the first few hours of flight (a time when a return to TLS due defect was ruled out) the ownership of the aircraft was electronically transferred to the finance/lease company/companies who then become the 'owner' of the aircraft.
Plaques RE ownership were then screwed to the back of the cockpit door. Aircraft is now owned by leasors and finance companies (mostly shelf companies owned by the airline)
So, it was only from TOT on say a Monday until the transfer to the lease company the next day during delivery flight (say Tuesday) that the A/C was 'actually' owned by the airline.
This whole debarcle was no doubt due to Tax implications - the details I'm unsure of.
When I was involved in deliveries from Toulouse there was definitely a 'procedure' for my airline (one from asia pacific buying A380's - I.E lots of money)
During the delivery process it was a very well noted fact that the aircraft was still owned by Airbus and that 'we' couldn't touch or do anything to the aircraft (I.E install customer specified equipment or software etc)
TOT - transfer of title occured once Airbus and 'we' were happy with the state of the A/C (I.E after lots of system checks, inspections, flight test etc).
TOT involved the actual Wire transfer from my company to Airbus of the agreed purchace price - heavily guarded secret but I believe in the case of our A380's in the region of $270 million USD. This was done 'movie style' with the finance people from Airbus and our company sweating over computers to effect and verify the electronic money transfer to Airbus/EADS. This electronic transfer occured soon after a fairly lavish lunch involving both sides and all and sundry hangers on. We're talking fine French dining and Champagne. Bare in mind that these were A380's - the pride of the fleet - if you were buying an A320 - effectively a taxi, there was no great lunch/champagne etc. Delivery process for a 380 was about 14 days, for a 320 about 2-3 days (they've been doing these since 1989)
Once the above was verified it 'became' our aircraft and we had a limited time to install our customised software and equipment and drive it off the parking lot. Also the French rego on the aircraft was removed and our national rego and flag revealed from under the covers.
After TOT the A/C was effectively owned by the airline (for a very short time). After take-off from Toulouse and during the first few hours of flight (a time when a return to TLS due defect was ruled out) the ownership of the aircraft was electronically transferred to the finance/lease company/companies who then become the 'owner' of the aircraft.
Plaques RE ownership were then screwed to the back of the cockpit door. Aircraft is now owned by leasors and finance companies (mostly shelf companies owned by the airline)
So, it was only from TOT on say a Monday until the transfer to the lease company the next day during delivery flight (say Tuesday) that the A/C was 'actually' owned by the airline.
This whole debarcle was no doubt due to Tax implications - the details I'm unsure of.
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We've just had our 100th delivery from Boeing, a 747-8F, this flew to YVR, not for tax reasons but to pick up freight to take to HKG.
Our 777's fly direct from PAE to HKG, money and title transfer takes place in the morning, CX engineers then go off and add our required bits before flying off to HKG with numerous VIP's!
I attended a dinner in the musuem of flight, rather nice, and another time on a boat around Seattle sound less formal but better.
Our 777's fly direct from PAE to HKG, money and title transfer takes place in the morning, CX engineers then go off and add our required bits before flying off to HKG with numerous VIP's!
I attended a dinner in the musuem of flight, rather nice, and another time on a boat around Seattle sound less formal but better.
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Hi Big M. Thanks for the detailed information. That was exactly what I was looking for and you've filled a small void in my mostly empty head. Best wishes, NFZ.
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Thanks, spannersatex. Great information. I must say that jumping over the fence to Vancouver to pick up paid freight on THE FIRST flight under the buyer's ownership is VERY impressive usage of a new airplane. Ain't no ground time for that bird! That unnamed carrier can probably fuel, unload and reload faster than the brakes cool. Best wishes, NFZ.
