why the name "scarebus?"
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why the name "scarebus?"
I haven't got a chance to talk with too many airbus pilots but on pprune I have heard the name scarebus mentioned a no of times. So is this all just humour or is there something more behind the origins of this name?
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Only because I am either too stupid to know better or I am on my 4th glass of my red wine which I drink only for the benefit of my heart, You can take a couple of choices . One that when the Chief Pilot of Airbus on a go-around at an airshow goes thru a forest of trees and then is retired to a villa proves that there is something fundamentally wrong with the computerized world of Airbus, or that every airplane can get some nickname which may or may not be deserved. . .When Airbus got into the business they thought they had to jump the status quo. They had to offer a superior product. While Boeing was cautious due to safety , product liability , and possibly to a superiority complex. It is REALLY difficult to bring Very new technology to the airplane world. Just watch and see how many companies that really have a great idea fail in the coming years. That would fit the pattern for the last 98 years. Please forgive any spelling errors as Engish is my first language.
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I think you will find that the Air France pilot who crashed at the Habsheim Airshow actually went to jail for manslaughter!! I believe he appealed, and his sentence was INCREASED! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
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Blunderbus; or for those that remember Wacky Races, the Arkansas Chug-a-bus.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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Polzin,. .was it the 4th glas of redwine which made you promote poor Air France Captain Hasseline at Habsheim to "Chief pilot of Airbus?" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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The fate of the Habsheim A320 would probably have been the same with any other aircraft if it was flown the way it was. Read about it on <a href="http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880626-0.htm" target="_blank">Aviation Safety.</a> . .PS. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Hi "Polzin", nice to see that you are still around. We flew L-1011 together at Novair.. . . . <small>[ 22 March 2002, 12:11: Message edited by: Hot Rod ]</small>
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The Airbus fly-by-wire system isn't quite as new as they'd have you believe. Much of the concept was proved on Concorde which had been flying safely for many years prior to the development of the A320. I think Conc may even have non-moving thrust levers just like the bus, and one of the initial Concorde prototpyes had a sidestick. The 'John Wayne' accidents were just caused by bad flying. If you can't tell the difference between a 3 degree descent path and a 3000fpm descent rate then you're asking for trouble!
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Because it rhymes with Airbus of course!!!. .. .Still, I think Boring is a very good alternative to Boeing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (not that I think like that..).
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Patagonia! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .The L-1011 TRISTAR is the best aircraft ever! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> . .If someone wants to call it Dxxxx Sxxx so let him do that... but he then doesn´´t know what he is. . talking about... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .Cheers 1011-guys.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
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320 on very short final to Twr "It's going around!". .. .Twr to 320 "your intentions?". .. .320 to Twr "we're going with it!". .. .Maybe it's not true, but there are several stories of this ilk around, and having done some in depth work on the complex relationships between some of the systems for a simulation, there are times when the aircraft does seem to have a mind of it's own!
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Well it wouldn't have gone around unless they'd told it to, unless they'd done something very dicey and got alpha-floor/TOGA lock, but in that situation its probably for the best. Mind you it is a real handful to sort out the FMGC flight plan after a go-around if its got it's knickers in a twist.
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I remember when i worked for Monarch aka "mafia" airlines years ago we had an A320 nicknamed hedge trimmer! Not only was it relevant to the airshow incident but if i remember correctly, its reg was G-MOAA!!!!
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One of the scariest things for me was some research time spent in a simulator before 9/11, as part of a project related to "secondary warnings" systems. We were exploring the extreme edges of the envelope with the instructor, and got into the realms of manual reversions, and at that point, we well and truly discovered how much of a chameleon the 320 can be!. .. .While everything is on, it seems to be very much a case of power = speed, and stick = attitude, and we all know the arguments that this subject is about to provoke!. .. .Well, we turned just about everything off, and were left with rudders, pitch trim and power, and at that somewhat hairy stage, as expected, pitch attitude = speed, and power = rate of descent/climb. We did just about manage to get away with a manual reversion go around, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> but it wasn't pretty, and the 2 of us winding the trimmer nearly got friction burns on our fingers!. .. .I could make some other comments about the way that things happened that were more a result of computer committee decisions rather than aerodynamics, but I think this is going to be one of those subjects that could get into the old "Boeing/Airbus" argument if I do, and that's counterproductive.. . . . <small>[ 29 March 2002, 18:36: Message edited by: Irish Steve ]</small>
