One of the scariest things for me was some research time spent in a simulator before 9/11, as part of a project related to "secondary warnings" systems. We were exploring the extreme edges of the envelope with the instructor, and got into the realms of manual reversions, and at that point, we well and truly discovered how much of a chameleon the 320 can be!. .. .While everything is on, it seems to be very much a case of power = speed, and stick = attitude, and we all know the arguments that this subject is about to provoke!. .. .Well, we turned just about everything off, and were left with rudders, pitch trim and power, and at that somewhat hairy stage, as expected, pitch attitude = speed, and power = rate of descent/climb. We did just about manage to get away with a manual reversion go around, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> but it wasn't pretty, and the 2 of us winding the trimmer nearly got friction burns on our fingers!. .. .I could make some other comments about the way that things happened that were more a result of computer committee decisions rather than aerodynamics, but I think this is going to be one of those subjects that could get into the old "Boeing/Airbus" argument if I do, and that's counterproductive.. . . . <small>[ 29 March 2002, 18:36: Message edited by: Irish Steve ]</small>