Which is the hardest airport to land at?
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Shon 7. .There are some Kai Tak approach charts available here <a href="http://home.netvigator.com/~pashford" target="_blank">http://home.netvigator.com/~pashford</a>. .but they can be a b1tch to view sometimes cos of download limits. If you have a problem just e-mail me and I will send them to you.. . . . <small>[ 28 March 2002, 09:50: Message edited by: TwoDogs ]</small>
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the take off and landing at Saba airport in the carribean are probably the most fun and challenging i have encountered -the runway is 1300ft above sea level and 400metres long with sheer drops into the sea at either end -thrilling -it is served by a variety of airlines usually operating twotters <img src="http://www.turq.com/saba/saslide13.html" alt="" />
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What about "SAMOS" airport, in Greece?
Anyone landed there, with N-NE 20-30kts? (09-27)
It's an adventure!
Another tricky airport, is LGRP (Rhodes), with winds blowing from 110-180 degrees, exceeding 15 kts (yes fifteen), will bring you in an uncontrolable situation, "just like that"!
Few years ago, I saw an L1011, scraching his No1 on the tarmac, excecuting a go-around, and diverting to LGIR (Heraclion), to land there, with a bended wing! (and all with a 12-16 kts wind!
So, when you are flying there, keep your eyes open!
SANTORINI (LGSR), with winds from 180-320, exceeding 20 kts, the aerodrome (for the major Greek company), becomes unsuitable for revenue flights.
There are actually some problems (not such as mentioned above), with the new Athens airport LGAV, ,where wind shears are very common. Sometimes (90%), there is GPWS alert, when excecuting ILS 03R.
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Anyone landed there, with N-NE 20-30kts? (09-27)
It's an adventure!
Another tricky airport, is LGRP (Rhodes), with winds blowing from 110-180 degrees, exceeding 15 kts (yes fifteen), will bring you in an uncontrolable situation, "just like that"!
Few years ago, I saw an L1011, scraching his No1 on the tarmac, excecuting a go-around, and diverting to LGIR (Heraclion), to land there, with a bended wing! (and all with a 12-16 kts wind!
So, when you are flying there, keep your eyes open!
SANTORINI (LGSR), with winds from 180-320, exceeding 20 kts, the aerodrome (for the major Greek company), becomes unsuitable for revenue flights.
There are actually some problems (not such as mentioned above), with the new Athens airport LGAV, ,where wind shears are very common. Sometimes (90%), there is GPWS alert, when excecuting ILS 03R.
Anyone who wants more info?
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S-S points out:
Some years ago waiting for a routine LHR to IOM (Ronaldsway, Isle of Man, in the Irish Sea) on a 146.
Announcement that the machine had a bird ingestion on arrival and must return empty, we shall be carried by British Midland, using their stand-by machine which was a 737-400.
On the way over, I was wondering if the Captain had ever operated into IOM before, as the runway finishes 50 yards short of the sea and the other end crosses over Castletown and then ... the sea! Also, there is both a dip and a hill in the main rwy!
We had the westerley approach, over the sea. It seemed that, almost as soon as there was anything approximating firm land underneath, the p/f placed the a/c FIRMLY on the ground and applied some of the strongest braking I recall ....
They did, of course, stop in plenty of time but, from the charts and the air, it probably looked less than inviting!
An airport in which the flight crew are not "prepared" (briefing/situation awareness, etc.) to land in - any prevailing conditions!
Announcement that the machine had a bird ingestion on arrival and must return empty, we shall be carried by British Midland, using their stand-by machine which was a 737-400.
On the way over, I was wondering if the Captain had ever operated into IOM before, as the runway finishes 50 yards short of the sea and the other end crosses over Castletown and then ... the sea! Also, there is both a dip and a hill in the main rwy!
We had the westerley approach, over the sea. It seemed that, almost as soon as there was anything approximating firm land underneath, the p/f placed the a/c FIRMLY on the ground and applied some of the strongest braking I recall ....
They did, of course, stop in plenty of time but, from the charts and the air, it probably looked less than inviting!
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Runmay 36 at Calvi poses a few interesting problems. Aim at the quarry, 40 Flap downwind, 1000 fpm rod on the base turn line up, if you are lucky ,with about half a mile to run to touchdown. Not for the faint hearted in a 737, never mind anything bigger. BTW, has anyone put anything bigger than a 737-800 in there?
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When I was flying, Bogota always was a hairy approach in a 747, surrounded by mountains and also unrelaible nav aids, the BOG VOR always seemed to be intermittant and unreliable.
Kai Tek always had you alert and I always enjoyed the Canarsie 13L approach at JFK, that had you on your toes! Quito was interesting as well.
There's a few more tricky to watch out for, mainly for obstacles,
usually mountains!
Basle, Iraklion, Bergen, Corfu, Madeira, Mikanos,
And I always hated Milan in the winter.
Kai Tek always had you alert and I always enjoyed the Canarsie 13L approach at JFK, that had you on your toes! Quito was interesting as well.
There's a few more tricky to watch out for, mainly for obstacles,
usually mountains!
Basle, Iraklion, Bergen, Corfu, Madeira, Mikanos,
And I always hated Milan in the winter.
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Was wondering when someone would mention the Canarsie 13L approach. Never flown it but have done it in the sim a couple of times - seemed fairly interesting. Anyone else think this is a tough one?
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If someone can tell me how to put pictures on this BB from my cumfuter, i will show the requested PNG "kink" and also a 17 degree sloped rwy...
And for larger metal, what about Cuzco, Peru? 13,000' odd elev, one way sloped up a valley with what looked to be no healthy overshoot...
And for larger metal, what about Cuzco, Peru? 13,000' odd elev, one way sloped up a valley with what looked to be no healthy overshoot...
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Talking about Cuzco(Peru)the biggest types using that airport are
737/727s.Most (all?)of the flights are scheduled for AM because landings are always on 28 and take offs on 10,the winds are generally westerly and usually exceed the tailwind limit for takeoff
by PM.Airfield sits at 10700ft with MSAs exceeding 20000ft and the temp.is around ISA plus 20.I remember being a pax out of there a couple of years ago,took off (732)and after 5mins or so of max chat/angle climb we were no more than 1000ft or so above the terrain,spectacular views though!
737/727s.Most (all?)of the flights are scheduled for AM because landings are always on 28 and take offs on 10,the winds are generally westerly and usually exceed the tailwind limit for takeoff
by PM.Airfield sits at 10700ft with MSAs exceeding 20000ft and the temp.is around ISA plus 20.I remember being a pax out of there a couple of years ago,took off (732)and after 5mins or so of max chat/angle climb we were no more than 1000ft or so above the terrain,spectacular views though!
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Gee it's been awhile, and the SP got my brain cells.
What was the name of the airstrip outside Moresby where on touchdown, you had to apply full power to get to the parking bay upslope? A one wayer too for interest!
Only went in there once on a rescue with me spannas and a coupla magnetos. Pilot didn't tell me what was in store. I didn't think we were going to stop and then he went to full power on what I new was a one way strip! I thought "Oh well it's been a nice life, but here is where it ends."
I did the right thing and sent my visiting brother-in-law in on a dawn flight not long after that to share the experience.
Gee it's been awhile, and the SP got my brain cells.
What was the name of the airstrip outside Moresby where on touchdown, you had to apply full power to get to the parking bay upslope? A one wayer too for interest!
Only went in there once on a rescue with me spannas and a coupla magnetos. Pilot didn't tell me what was in store. I didn't think we were going to stop and then he went to full power on what I new was a one way strip! I thought "Oh well it's been a nice life, but here is where it ends."
I did the right thing and sent my visiting brother-in-law in on a dawn flight not long after that to share the experience.
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Which one mate? Plenty of 'em. Might you be thinking of west of Moresby, over near Kerema... little place called Kianteba? Parking bay is kind of level at the top with a bit of marsden matting as a gutter and then the strip falls away (literally) down the valley?
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Don't be led up the garden path. Below about 8000 feet above sea level there is no such thing as a difficult airfield to land at if you have the right aeroplane for the job.
Don't be led up the garden path. Below about 8000 feet above sea level there is no such thing as a difficult airfield to land at if you have the right aeroplane for the job.
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TT... kind of a tall order mate. Most of the "jungles" strips are like that, likewise around the Goilala. In fact, take your pick between NW, N and NE of AYPY - there's a right sh!tload of 'em. I didn't go into the "jungles" strips very much (ie NE of AYPY) but one real candidate there that I well recall is Efogi.
Around the Goilala, there's places like Erume, Tapini and Fane, to name but a few.
Further afield than that, the list is almost endless. Sorry that I can't narrow it down for you.
Around the Goilala, there's places like Erume, Tapini and Fane, to name but a few.
Further afield than that, the list is almost endless. Sorry that I can't narrow it down for you.
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Back to the thread ??
Kai Tak and Gib as a PAX or jump certainly rate high
Avoriaz - anybody care to comment ?
Those Greek Islands have their quirks also - but more for the jockey than the PAX.
Would think somebody might want to add Bern-Belp and Lugano to the list of hands-full on landing.
oneWorld22
Interesting to list BSL/MLH/EAP, surely its only problem is if you're taking off east and have no power, but that has to be true of many places (and yes I did leave one of my moggie lives there as we only just made left of the 4th floor of the Kantonsspittal - that close, that building is BIG - especially with not enough scrabble power & too much weight).
If one thinks of take-offs then ZRH in a fully loaded 747 always has its thrills - rotate before you run out of strip - light left so as to miss the airport buildings - but not tooooo far so as to stay over the highway and not hit the Hilton on the left or the Moevenpick on the right & and get the gear up quick so as to clear the bridges - as your scrabble power is really on the brink.
The SIA's SQ 345 ZRH-SIN may do it daily but as a PAX I still want the window seat on the Port side to wave to the wife in the Hilton car-park, before she drives home. Her logic is that if we make that far OK the chances are the rest will be a doddle and if we don't at least she'll know why.
Avoriaz - anybody care to comment ?
Those Greek Islands have their quirks also - but more for the jockey than the PAX.
Would think somebody might want to add Bern-Belp and Lugano to the list of hands-full on landing.
oneWorld22
Interesting to list BSL/MLH/EAP, surely its only problem is if you're taking off east and have no power, but that has to be true of many places (and yes I did leave one of my moggie lives there as we only just made left of the 4th floor of the Kantonsspittal - that close, that building is BIG - especially with not enough scrabble power & too much weight).
If one thinks of take-offs then ZRH in a fully loaded 747 always has its thrills - rotate before you run out of strip - light left so as to miss the airport buildings - but not tooooo far so as to stay over the highway and not hit the Hilton on the left or the Moevenpick on the right & and get the gear up quick so as to clear the bridges - as your scrabble power is really on the brink.
The SIA's SQ 345 ZRH-SIN may do it daily but as a PAX I still want the window seat on the Port side to wave to the wife in the Hilton car-park, before she drives home. Her logic is that if we make that far OK the chances are the rest will be a doddle and if we don't at least she'll know why.