Jump seat rides - are they possible?

[Rainboe]

Volume- your experience is resumably in the States which instigated, and rigorously enforces the new regulations. The situation we have in the UK is that we take up rule changes from the European Community and US and enforce them totally, whilst other the other countries involved appear to apply a slack interpretation. Jump seat rides in the UK are totally banned, with incredibly minor exceptions, whilst even in the country that started the regs, things are slackening off. So my brutal answer was to plainly explain it can't happen. No UK pilot I know would hazard his job having unauthorised access to the FD when even his wife and son are banned out of hand. That is another question. As always with extended discussions on Prune, it is worth going back to read the initial postings and remind ourselves what the query is!

Thunor- sad though the industry is these days, was it ever really any better? Employment was always difficult (unless you struck lucky, as indeed I admit I did). Chuck the rose coloured specs away and give it your best- that's all one can say.

[BOAC]

Thunor - to save any more issues over Rainboe's optical accuity I am sending you a PM.

[CarbHeatIn]

It is possible with Air France.

No harm to bring your licence. A PPL holding friend of mine did recently and was treated to a CDG-LHR sector up the front.

[ETOPS]

A PPL holding friend of mine did recently and was treated to a CDG-LHR sector up the front.

So all UK airlines are rigidly enforcing the locked flightdeck door policy but Air France allows potential terrorists to ride up front as they come into land over central London

No harm to bring your licence

So that's OK - none of the bad guys have licences...........

[pindakaas]

Post 9-11 I have been on jumpseats as a pax with:
Iberia
Transavia
KLM
SAS

[Craggenmore]

You can still jump seat in the free world - ie anywhere outside of the USA and Tony Bush's UK...no I meant George Blair...no I meant..........

[crjlover]

What about flight dispatcher and OPS controller of your airline??
I did it 2 weeks ago and I found it very usefull.

[Irishwingz]

I was in the jumpseat of a Comair 732 from Cape Town to Jo burg in late 2003 - they said it was Captains decision. And it was great fun

A mate is a Ryanair captain and he cannot take people onto the flightdeck unless they are travelling on his company issued standby ticket and he knows them (which he will of course if he has given his dad or his mum a free trip).

I'm suprised at Air France I thought all West European/USA/'free world' had a strict policy

Having said that, next time I'll bring my PPL!!

[CaptSkipper]

Jump seat

Originally Posted by Irishwingz

I was in the jumpseat of a Comair 732 from Cape Town to Jo burg in late 2003 - they said it was Captains decision. And it was great fun

A mate is a Ryanair captain and he cannot take people onto the flightdeck unless they are travelling on his company issued standby ticket and he knows them (which he will of course if he has given his dad or his mum a free trip).

I'm suprised at Air France I thought all West European/USA/'free world' had a strict policy

Having said that, next time I'll bring my PPL!!

It is all up to the Capt. if he knows the person however in some airlines it is not allowed. with my copmany I have to be in full uniform, even if i want to travel with a tickt, and the flt was full. but as I said it is up to the commander. 99% of the time a travel as a passenjer i end up in the jump seat coz I can't stay away ! it is a habet even if had a nice first calss seat and the flt was 8 hrs i prefare staying in the cockpit.....

[shlittlenellie]

Thomsonfly ATC fam flights

Thomsonfly have been carrying ATCOs on fam flights since 2003. Your unit should have contact details of the ATC liaison pilot. If not, PM me and I'll forward the details.

[pantyripper]

Rent a sim, that's what I'd do, and fly that MS2004, good luck with it all

[window-seat]

I also have managed (with a licence handy), a few Jumpseat's with Iberia on internal flights however, I agree with PantyRipper, save your ticket cost and put it towards an hour in the sim! Getting an hour hands on has got to be worth more than several hours sat reading the paper..........oops sorry, - I mean monitoring the button pressing and knob twiddling!!

Good Luck

W-S

[Thunor]

Thanks for the good advice and the best wishes.

[DeepDeeper]

I have been on a number of Jumpseat rides, including 2 since 9/11, both with British Airways/CityExpress, neither with any prior arrangement.

One BHX-ARN on a CRJ and one BHX-GLA on a BAe 146 or whatever it's called....

Pre-9/11 I've jumpseated :
BA 744 in the seat from pre-start until about 45 mins after take-off @ LGW
BA 734 from TOD to gate @ JER
Numerous CRJ into BHX

[tomuchwork]

Hi, most of the guys mentioned it already - in the free THINKING world we are taking guys in the jumpseat - at captains discretion(and risk of course). But the new regulations give us a easy explanation if we just don`t want a person(for what reason ever) in the cockpit .

An additional issue: The door is bulletproof - are the CB Panels as well...? . Just to show the cleverness of our amercian friends.... It`s always the same problem, the us(uk) guys are not really thinking all the way to the end... Instead of making live harder for terrorists they are making it harder to us flight crews, just thinking about this sometimes really bad safety checks on my crew - because a terrorist is really entering a a/c as flightcrew....

[spitfires rule]

Yes it is quite possible to go jump seating. I just went this past summer . As long as the pilot who is taking you gets all the proper paperwork done you can still go.

spitfires rule

[Captainkarl]

hello

Okay,

I am 16 and its going to be my career, my life (Airline Pilot) This summer I am flying to Singapore and then to Vietnam on a shorter flight, both with Malyasian Airlines, do you think it would be worth writing a letter when I know my exact flight details inc a letter about me and why I want to jumpseat as well as a photocopy of my passport page and PPL that I could stand a chance jumpseating or getting at least a visit?

Also does that part of the world count as the free world??
And does anyone know on Malyasian Airlines jumpseat/cockpit visit regulations?

Thanks

Captain Karl

[Rainboe]

Originally Posted by tomuchwork

Hi, most of the guys mentioned it already - in the free THINKING world we are taking guys in the jumpseat

And it is in that 'free THINKING world' that bad men kidnapped 4 jets and flew them into the ground, and Mukonyi decided a Jumbo load of people should be rubbed out in some glorious suicide! If there are people flouting the regulations, it is not just their jobs that are in danger, it is the lives of everybody onboard and people on the ground at risk. They did it oncce, who's to say they won't do it again? I feel very uncomfortable that foreign aircraft are coming over London with non security cleared, unqualified and illegal people sitting on the flight deck! It is not to be bragged about.

[eoincarey]

Agree, PPL can help a lot. But so can the 'Irish charm'! Tried it with Aer Arann, PPL in hand and a big old Irish grin and they put me up there from CRZ down to gate in Edinburgh. Fandabidozy!!
Also remember its usually possible to get a quick chat and a peek when on the ground (provided their turnarounds not too tight). Easyjet to London Gatwick last week, A319, quick looksy and a natter with the flight crew before heading down to baggage. Just try your luck mate!!!

ETC

[Re-Heat]

The situation we have in the UK is that we take up rule changes from the European Community and US and enforce them totally, whilst other the other countries involved appear to apply a slack interpretation.

Before this thread goes off an a tangent and before a list of "my favourite jumpseat rides" are collated, I think a little direction is required:

Within the UK, the dti enforced the present rules, which are not at the behest of the EU, but have been brought in due to advice from security experts within the government. This applies only to UK carriers, and was applied not following 9/11, but in Summer 2002. After such time there should be nobody whatsoever in the flight deck on any UK-registered aircraft. No amount of paperwork and pre-planning will enable anyone to travel on the jumpseat. The only people whom belong there have very good reasons to be there, sanctioned by management and operating crews.

European carriers can do whatever they want according to the rules of their country of registration - although the UK prefers that nobody be in the flightdeck within UK airspace, other carriers can and will do what they want within their own countries' rules.

Flights to the US on any carrier are however prevented from having anyone in the flightdeck at any stage by US authorities. US carriers have similar rules to British carriers outside of US airspace as well.

It is not complex - just don't bother asking and embarassing anyone if you are on a UK or US carrier or travelling to the US. If of course you have been in a jumpseat after Summer 2002, you would be advised not to post in the public domain, and consider that if you know the rules and are a party to breaking them, that if found out any repercussions may be upon you as well as the operating crews.

Of course if would be great not to have these in place, but that's the way it is.