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Maverick97 21st June 2018 06:43


Originally Posted by Wandering Paddy (Post 10177269)
I called PPT and they are charging 10k for a PPL. Surely there are more competitive options in the North of Engerland? I was recently told you'd get one for 8k

Hi mate,

its quite expensive at Newcastle,
£25 per landing too.

Try Teeside, PTT have a base there but so does Eden flight training. They operate warriors and tomahawks.
You could probably do the PPL for around 7k in the tomahawk. Hourly rates including landing and touch and go fees and are by far the cheapest in the region, I know a guy that’s doing his LAPL at Eshott with the intention to convert it to a PPL, don’t know much about that but there’s another option too?

Wandering Paddy 21st June 2018 09:18


Originally Posted by Maverick97 (Post 10177972)


Hi mate,

its quite expensive at Newcastle,
£25 per landing too.

Try Teeside, PTT have a base there but so does Eden flight training. They operate warriors and tomahawks.
You could probably do the PPL for around 7k in the tomahawk. Hourly rates including landing and touch and go fees and are by far the cheapest in the region, I know a guy that’s doing his LAPL at Eshott with the intention to convert it to a PPL, don’t know much about that but there’s another option too?

Cheers. I was hoping to get a school around Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester area. That way I can work, and train on my off days. Teeside may be a bit far.

ab_initio_Richard 21st June 2018 17:13


Originally Posted by Basil Fawlty1 (Post 10177254)


Hi Richard - why not make a start on your PPL now whilst you’re still working ? You should comfortably have it out of the way by next spring if you start it this summer.

As well as telling you if flying really is for you, doing it this way will also mean you’ll need less time off work when you start training full time.

Hi Basil. May well do. There is a flight school ten minutes down the road. If it goes smoothly I can do a PPL for about £8k. I'm off there on Saturday for a taster session, so hopefully all goes well.

Could then do the remaining licences in Slovenia, learning to fly between the Alps and the Adriatic sounds very appealing!

Any thoughts on whether Brexit will create an issue with EASA licences, and will they need converting to UK CAA equivalent? If so, would this likely just be a paperwork exercise?

Maverick97 22nd June 2018 09:18


Originally Posted by Wandering Paddy (Post 10178097)
Cheers. I was hoping to get a school around Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester area. That way I can work, and train on my off days. Teeside may be a bit far.

Apologies, my stubborn northern mind set only assuming north means anything above Yorkshire... :}

rudestuff 22nd June 2018 11:57

Actually 'the north' is anything above Bristol...

AdamQuinny 23rd June 2018 15:03

Hi J,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out it is greatly appreciated. Like you I did turn down the modular option before but I still think that it wouldn't be as smooth as the integrated routes. Today my girlfriend was flying to Italy and she sent me a video of her walking across the tarmac to the plane and within me, I just felt a rush of excitement and I would love to wake up and experience that feeling every single day.

I've seen this Jet2 apprenticeship scheme before, I don't fully understand it, it talks about learning all about Jet2 but then it's called 'pilot apprenticeship' so do you end up with an MPL? CPL? ATPL? How much would an introductory lesson be? I've learnt that a PPL is a good kickstarter so would this be a good idea - Finish A-Levels --> PPL --> Get a job --> keep applying for modular and integrated courses whilst still working --> pause/stop work if accepted to a course ?
Thanks.

button push ignored 23rd June 2018 20:21



The important word here is SCHEME, and most airlines have them.
I wouldn’t waste my time with any of them.
And time is your most valuable asset.

Pilots fly their aircraft.
They are not there to learn every facet of the company.
I don’t want to live, breath and sleep the brand.
Just earn a decent living doing it.

If you want to fly.
Then just go on a do it.
Forget all this marketing hype.
Just resolve yourself to fly or learn more about flying everyday.
And in good time you will become a pilot.

Somebody with a PPL is a pilot.
An assistant flight instructor is a professional pilot.
All have my respect.
Somebody who just fills out applications and attends interviews and selection processs.
Well, they are just kind of missing the whole point.
Pilots fly planes.

Start with a PPL.
And stop worrying about all those SCHEMES.

You use use the term ‘applying’ for modular and intergrated courses.
Adam.
They are running a business, not a charity.
You are paying with your family’s money.
You are the boss.
Get in the drivers seat and take control of your destiny.

I’m thrilled that you are 15 and want to do this.
Well done, that’s half the battle of life won.


AdamQuinny 23rd June 2018 20:36





Right I see. So given that it is a complete waste of time this scheme, it’s advised to stick with modular or integrated and approach airlines on completion, Jet2 is my favourite airline, it would be a completed dream to fly for them you may disagree but I have my reasons, there is an event with various seminars at Manchester airport in a few weeks I want to go to it just for extra first hand advice but is it worth it? It would be about £15 for the day but there’s a seminar on integrated vs modular which is a clear decision I’ll have to make, there’s also a Jet2 seminar so I’d be delighted to go to that and I’m sure there’s something else I was looking forward to seeing too.

button push ignored 24th June 2018 11:46

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In the 1980s and 1990s, Jet2 was known as Channel Express.
I used to jumpseat on their Herald’s, Electra’s and A300s to work.
Fine people.
I completely understand you wanting to work there.
But that’s not the issue.
The issue is ‘time’.

Now your only 15, and time is on your side.
I started as a British Airways engineering apprentice at age 16.
I didn’t commit to being a pilot until I was 18.
So this may not be relivant in your case.
But you always have to consider the negative consequences.
Something they never tell you in their marketing.
I completed a four year apprentiship in the early 1980s.
During a very nasty time in the U.K.
Last in - First out.
I was laid off along with three million others.

Now if you were to commit to Jet2 apprentice pilot program.
And the economy took a nose dive.
As it often does every twelve or so years.
(Last downturn 2009.)
What do you think would happen?
The same thing that happened to me.
Out on your ear.

It wasn’t a problem because I had a PPL/IMC, money and a plan.
For I didn’t want to do that mechanic job for the rest of my life.
But it sure was a wake up call to the ways of the world.

Now if you had spent your time flying instead of working Jet2 customer service assignments.
When the next recession hits, at least you’ll have your licenses and some experience to fall back on.

Networking is very important in any industry.
Get to know the airline and it’s people.
Keep track of names and faces.
Go to all seminars and family days and tours.
Meet as many people as you can.
It’s good practice on giving the right impression.

As for Intergrated Vs Modular.
I like cheap as possible, quick as possible and save your money for a quality MCC and a B737 type rating.
With this and some experience in a starter job and some internal recommendations.
I think you’ll be in far better standing with them.

Having an airline monitor your progress through flight training is also a huge burden I wouldn’t want.
It’s a hard enough career taking two check rides a year.


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AdamQuinny 24th June 2018 14:08


That helps so much, so it’s pretty much clear to stay away from scheme and airline mentored integrated routes. Given that Brexit isnt going very well I guess the aviation industry will be effected heavily. Ultimately I want to be flying to Italy, Spain etc carrying excited kids on their first holidays, maybe inspiring some kids to grow up and become pilots perhaps how one pilot did to me. Once I’ve got everything for an fATPL I need to think about type ratings although the A320 is more futuristic I think that the 737 is more of a pilots plane, I don’t want to say down letting a computing fly the plane I want to be doing the flying, has anyone got a comparison or something to aid me with this? At the careers fair I’ll go to as many stalls as possible whilst going to as many seminars as possible. Do the fairs have the same airlines at each fair or is it different for each venue?

Cpd87 25th June 2018 19:00

Hi guys, hope everyone is well?

Im new to this forum and have been looking through this thread for a little while now, but I have a slightly different view about the Jet2 ‘Pilot Apprentice’ program, and I just felt like I should share it.

As I read it, it isn’t the kind of thing you sign up for for three years and end up with an ATPL at the end of it. I believe the requirements state that you need your fATPL already in order to apply. You then work your way round the various departments within the company (cabin crew, ground ops etc etc), presumably to show your commitment to Jet2 and pasion for eventually becoming a pilot, and in return they bond you the money for the type rating to ultimately get you in the right hand seat.

Although working your way around the company doing every job other than flying for a while doesn’t sound ideal, especially when you have your fATPL in your hand, but trying to find an aditional £30k for a type rating after leaving flight school is probably quite tricky for a lot of people too. You have to pay Jet2 the money back of course, but surely it’s better than going to a bank, with your hat in your hand asking for a(nother) loan?

This is just the way I have read it, and I haven’t gone over it with a fine-toothed comb, so I am open to correction.


AdamQuinny 2nd July 2018 08:08

From a lot of researching I have come up with more questions,

If you do a ME CPL do you need to get a MEP Rating at all?
Is it possible to do a SE CPL then a MEP Rating?
What the best sequence to do the CPL, MEP and ME/IR in?

rudestuff 2nd July 2018 13:04

The cheapest way is to do a SE CPL and don’t bother getting the MEP at all. Airlines rarely use piston engines.

AdamQuinny 2nd July 2018 13:35



So I don’t need a MEP to do a ME/IR

rudestuff 2nd July 2018 14:44

Correct. You need to do the course (6 hours) but you don't need to take the test or get the rating, saving at least £1000.

If you're converting from an FAA IR via the 50 hour pic route, i think you'd be exempt the mep course if your FAA IR already had multi privileges (I'll need to read up on that)

ThomasBowdler 5th July 2018 12:36

Pilot training loans? (July 2018)
 
Before I begin, I'd like to say that I have looked on previous threads about the subject, however most are outdated on the subject. I've searched through pages of Google and only come across forums, with too, outdated answers. After weighing up the risks and rewards over the past 6 months my parents have agreed to use their house as security if they can get the type of loan I will go on to ask about below. I thought I would add this as a common theme within the threads I have read have been, 'are you sure' on using a property as security and after carefully considering and agreeing with alot of the risks, but also the rewards, they have agreed to do so. Also a bit of background. The course I have looked into visited is the "Aeros Fastrack" course with Aeros in the UK. Its a modular course,but depending on how available you are, you can work through it like an integrated course, but primarily it is an modular course. I just wanted to clear all that up :).

Is anybody aware of a company or bank that will offer loans over 10 years, for pilots or just in general, of £55,000, secured with a property obviously (of which is worth £135,000), and that comes with holiday period of 18 months or upward. I'm aware these a very niche and rare. BBVA used to provide this service, targeted at future pilots, but it was withdrawn last year.
Our aim is to take out a secured loan over 10 years, against the property, of £55,000,and have the holiday period so that upon completion of the training, you can pay back, at an increased rate because of the holiday, a set amount each month. Alternatively, are there any companies or banks that will allow you to pay reduced amounts back in the 18 months and then upon completion of training increase your payments. And finally, does anybody know of any companies or banks that offer loans and schemes targeted directly at pilots or pilot training. If not, are there any other way of funding these modular courses?
Thank alot,

rudestuff 5th July 2018 16:27

Ever heard of a 0% credit card?

ThomasBowdler 5th July 2018 18:26

Hi, thanks for the response.
Isn't there a maximum amount that you can borrow over a limited time using a 0% credit card?
Thanks alot,

rudestuff 6th July 2018 15:11

It was a bit tongue in check, although there's no limit on how many credit card you can have. Why do you want £55,000 in particular?

Nurse2Pilot 6th July 2018 16:25

I'm guessing it's via the Wings Alliance white tail programme. Council Van, where does one look for such insurance policies?


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