Jerez Pilapt test
 

Hello there,

I tried Ctc Pilapt test and failed.
my multytasking was good (upper third) but my eye-hand function was in the lower one.

I never new that I had such a problem and a check-ride I have done with an ex-military instructor showed I am more than ok.

I am considering my options at the moment and Jerez looks great.

is there any advice you guys can give me before attending thier Pilapt test?
I guess I am just not good at those but I might be great in the air...

thanks in advance,

GRANTS

I am also going to Jerez. My pilapt test is next week!! I dont have a clue of what to expect. Ill let you know in a weeks time about the tests. If you get any information though could you plz post it here...
Regards
Ricky

I think the selection test with Jerez will go something like this...

Jerez: Have you 90,000 euros ?? (said in a demanding fashion)

Student: Yes I have! (said keenly)

Jerez: Well done young fella, you've passed! (said with a big smile)

I wish...
 

Ricky, I would appreciate it.
Biscuit, hope you are a panel member over there...

Grants

Cheers Biscuit,
:)
any real advise though? They can't be that easy to get into.... They said the tests would consist of 3 written tests and 1 numerical, A PILAPT test and a mock Airline interview? what level of physics and maths will I need?

Ricky

Hey GRANTS and Ricky1, check this one out as well... www.pilotutdanning.no

Hey Grants,
Check this web site out www.pilottesting.com
Still it won't be able to tell us what to expect in the written tests or interview.....
Ricky

I know this test
 

Thats is the test Ctc gives.
I have done it but wasn´t good enough in some fields.
it´s a mind blower as you must stay concentrated for a long time.
I wonder if one can do better on the second time.

Grants

I just want to get one point straight here.

I got back from Jerez a few weeks ago after passing the apptitude tests. They are not easy, but by no means are they as demanding as the exams you are required to pass for sponsorship.

The PILAPT, you can't prepare for - you either have the ability or you don't - sorry but that is set in stone.

With regards to the money, the only time is was bought up was when me and my friends mentioned it. There is no push and shuv or any sort. If you don't meet the grades on the tests then you wont get in - simple! I don't have the money, and I got in! But I want it, so I will find the money hopefully from HSBC!

Afterall, if they take you on and your not capable of passing then it's both parties that lose! They get a bad reputation and you tell 10 people on average about your experience! Plus you lose 98000 euros if doing the JOC - so whose kidding who!

Just go along, the best of luck! You will meet all the staff who act in the most professional way - if you find it different then by all means come back and say so! Carmen, Mary-Jo and Michael along with Pete who you will have your final debriefing with are all great people.

Beer is cheap, accomodation is fine and the food isnt that bad either! Oh and the weather is the nuts for this time of year :)

Have fun guys and make sure you keep us informed on how you do!

Never know, maybe see you down in Jerez in the new year.

Bertie

Think it's 92K. :hmm:

Well I hope the mock interview goes well as it's the only interview you'll get thanks to Jerez :}

MK

same test
 

Hey Bertie,

I have done Ctc´s and from what I saw in Pilapt`s web page they have only one test so it must be the same one in Jerez.
They might accept a lower level of performance though.
do you have your feedback already ar just the positive answer?

How are the other tests like?


thanks in advance,

Grants

ok the pilapt that jerez have - and im prob gonna get in trouble for saying this.

1. Crosshairs
2. Man with hands, +ve left square etc.
3. Flying through boxes
4. two boxes with loads of lines and shapes to find

Be aware though that there are no complicated counting backwards whilst centering the joystick and selecting coloured shapes to worry about.

I have my feedback and my mark for the PILAPT was 10/10 you will get all the results and details at the debriefing with Pete

Paper maths and physics is OK - not too tricky. There is also a verbal written test which isnt too bad.

The computer tests are a little more tricky. Maths is timed and involves percentages and ratios based on graphs and tables. You will NOT be able to answer all the questions.... i you get half way through you've done bloody well!

The computer literacy, you should get finished - just! with seconds to spare!

Overall its a fun entertaining trip - you'll enjoy every minute!

Hope this helps.

Bertie

with regards to micheals post referring to price, he is correct - 92000 euros is the course price.

BUT

if you wqant the Jet Orientation then it is 98000, upste training is an extra 1500.

Hey Bertie777,
Thanks a mill... I will let you know how i get on... Is there any web-site that poses simillar maths questions that you know of? Hope to be training with you next year!
Ricky

I don't know of any websites but let me just say - you can use a calculator in all the maths exams! :)

Good luck.

I think a good website worth a try is www.shldirect.com as they are the same stlye of tests used by FTE.

Bertie's decription of the selection is certainly accurate, FTE is well worth a visit, especially as the selection tests are still free until Feb 2005 and the Ryanair flight was only about £50!!

Regards

Hi all,

I was supposed to be heading down there this week but couldnt sort out the right amount of time off work(hey i need a few days after to "recouperate"!).

Any info on what its like would be really helpful! Also anyone heading down in Jan look at for me!

I went to do the aptitude tests last month and let me tell you, they were tough. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that they were easy because they certainly were not. I have A-levels in Maths and Physics and I still found them tough. Apparantly now they have more mental capacity and multi tasking tests like CTC.

I was lucky enough to have the old tests but still didn't make it through. They said my interview (which was pretty gruelling!) let me down and that my technical knowledge was poor.

All in all I thought the place was OK but I was a little disappointed with some of the facilities and the aircraft, and the lads seemed a little dejected which made me think it wasn't really worth the money. The people were quite nice though and I had a good trip.

Im going to finalize my modualar route now, which just seems a better route for me especially for the cost. The amount of bullskit they gave me about jobs and stuff just sounded like a load of marketing rubbish, like Oxford, so Im not too bothered. Also, I know for a fact that airlines don't have any preference for integrated graduates so don't let them fool you with that. Good luck if you apply, you'll probably need it, and don't listen to any unresearched, naive comments such as the one made by a certain edible poster earlier on in this thread. Good luck!

FOF:ok:

Thanks guys, but...
 

At the moment there is a big chance that I am out of the race...
last friday I was diagnozed to suffer from a chronic eye illness, that although I am holding a british class 1, will make me loosing it in few years.

I am on my way for some second and third opinions...
sad... so sad...

Grants

I am so sorry to hear that. It makes me realise how much I take my good health for granted.

I hope that you will still be able to hold a class two and be able to experience the pleasure of private flying. :D

Ian.

Hey Reds
 

I will know more this monday, I have got a meeting with another expert.

thanks man,

Grants

First Officer Finch

Just a few points I wish to raise with you………

“All in all I thought the place was OK but I was a little disappointed with some of the facilities and the aircraft, and the lads seemed a little dejected which made me think it wasn't really worth the money.”


I’m just curious to why you feel this? I personally felt that the facilities were excellent, or is it that you’re used to living in extreme luxury? The aircraft, exactly the same at any other flight school!

The lads seemed a little dejected?
Well everyone we spoke to was friendly and chatty not one person mentioned any fault or dislike about the college!!
Is anyone in Jerez dejected?

“The amount of bullskit they gave me about jobs and stuff just sounded like a load of marketing rubbish, like Oxford, so I’m not too bothered”

Too be honest most flight schools will give you slightly ‘juiced up’ news on the current and future job scene, however the marketing department, Michael Wallis included, gave honest information based on actual printed/released information from recognised sources. Such information that an individual with brains can easily find out, by simply putting some time and effort into searching the internet and reading flight/aviation orientated publications.

And if you are not bothered to do that…… well good, I hope that someone prepared to put effort into achieving their dream, gets a job over you any day!

So for your other quote of:

“Also, I know for a fact that airlines don't have any preference for integrated graduates so don't let them fool you with that”

hmmm.. BA, Britannia, etc (just to name a few)

and then finally…

“and don't listen to any un-researched, naive comments such as the one made by a certain edible poster earlier on in this thread”

Would you be so kind as to mention who this person might be?

Regards



GRANTS: sorry to hear about the eye problem, wish you all the best on Monday. I've got my medical tomorrow, so i'm hoping for no problems!!!

Concorde002,

To some of your rather petty comments I shall not lower myself by replying and will therefore retain my dignity.

OK, where do I start. BA, Brittania..... and who else? I would rather not give much of my hard research away for 3rd party benefit, but I can assure you that I know for certain that most airlines really do not care. Besides, BA, Brittania and the like only make up a very small percentage of the industry. There are many many other airlines apart from the mainstream ones that do exist and that have reasonably sized fleets you know.

Only very few cadets will be extremely lucky enough to walk straight into an airline job. The vast majority will have to work their way up through turbo props and small jets, whether integrated or not.

It made me laugh when you mentioned research. If only you knew...

One of the main reasons for this website is to express freely ones opinion and thoughts, which I did. What I wrote was merely my opinion based on my experience. Maybe you didn't chat to the same people that I did, obviously you didn't get the same impression that I did, but in all honesty who cares? Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what Im doing and which is why I am where I am. ;) Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea.


One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, Im sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics and MARKETING. I worked for a big company in the Marketing world for a few years, so let me tell you, I know what its all about. And I know that what I heard from all these places was a load of !!!!!e. They are good at their job and obviously managed to woo you quite easily.

So Ill say again, don't be fooled by that buli!!!!!.

Have a nice day,

My most sincere regards,

FOF

Based on this reply, I’m so sorry to be so rude and arrogant to such a fantastic know it all snotty little git!!

"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"

What a tosser! Get in real world!! I can see why Jerez failed you!! An individual with a chip on his shoulder, the size of yours would make you the most unpleasant person to be with, either on a flight deck or down the pub!!


"Flying is great, and I just wish there wasn't so much rubbish on these forums which all too often puts a downer on my views about this idea"

So you are really committed to the idea of being a pilot then? A few written words on a forum website and you have doubts!!

"One should really be careful as to who one is talking to before making ignorant assumptions. Before posting your thread, I’m sure you were unaware that I graduated from a rather respectable university with a 1st class (oof yep it hurts) degree in economics" blah blah blah who cares!!??? (Anyone??)

Go and use this fantastic degree and do a marketing job then!!
Which uni out of interest?
(I ask this in reference to your previous thread "certain edible poster" so you like eating posters, good use of English, Mr I've got a 1st degree!!!)

"obviously managed to woo you quite easily"
Yes................... they took me to the isolation cell for 3 days, fed me bread and water until I agreed to attend FTE!!

I can assure you that I haven't been fooled by there Bullskit.
My aspirations of becoming an airline pilot are serious, and I feel proud of my achievement, in being able to attend one of the better flight schools able to offer me the opportunity of achieving this dream!! I’m pleased I won’t see you there!!

Regards

This convo makes me laugh.

"Maybe I am used to only the best which is why Im doing what I’m doing and which is why I am where I am"

Definately wins the quote of the year award! Must remember that one.

"The lads seemed a little dejected?" - well i have been called a lot of things before but never dejected. Can i ask why you thought that?

One last thing, for those who are under the impression that the entrance interview is easy and you get in if you have the money...Well i know at least 4 people who have not passed in the last month. So please get your facts right before you go slagging off integrated courses or just jerez for that matter.

Edited cos i'm a muppet.

so who may this yummy poster be then !!!! break (finch) ????

So have any students of Jerez ever landed on grass as part of their fantastic integrated course?

Kind of limiting don't you think if you wanted to instruct in the UK?

How many airfields did you visit during you most wonderful course? Seville? Faro? and......

Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?

And yes I was accepted onto the course - when it was BAE and out of approx 120 students, I know of only one who did any sort of apptitude test. The rest bought it.

And the conversation makes you laugh?

Ask the last Airtours sponsored course about Integrated training and learn something about the real world.

I'm not looking to start an argument over another petty 'prove integrated is better' type of debate. All i want to say is that it is pretty sad that all people can do is argue everything that is said on these forums. If you don't like it then fine, no one says you do. But why do you (not anyone in specific) have to try to draw the topic down?

"Who has their head up their arse do you reckon FlyUk and your like?" - An unfair and un called for comment.

"when it was BAE" - It hasn't been BAE for over a year now. Aptitiude testing has changed since then.

Those who are genuinely intrested in FTE, Jerez then by all means get in touch, or if there is enough intrest i may write a small post about my thoughts and the reality of FTE.

Hee hee hee! I just love Pprune. Keep 'em coming chaps.

Just to clear something up, obviously some people have trouble understanding simple clues...

...edible poster.

Now someone has a name/handle on this thread which you can eat (the word edible means one can eat it children). Come on, its not so hard.

Look back through the posts on this thread and find the edible name.

Was it so hard?

Any of you thinking of entering a treasure hunt should maybe give it a miss.

I think our new friend FOF is referring to myself.

Biscuit

Hope no-one minds me resurrecting dead posts but . . .

So how did you guys that went down there find it in the end? I'd planned to go in Jan but work committments got in the way - so im hopeing to organise my Class One shortly and then after that head down - I was looking at down the GAPAN tests and then just visiting the school(i.e. not down the interviews and pilapt tests etc.) as I thought it would be an advantage to have the GAPAn as a seperate thing - i.e. all going well at the end of my 60 weeks i could put the GAPAN result(if it was good) on my cv in *addittion* to my ATPL scores etc. . . .Now im not too sure.

Hey Grants, hope you got good news! :ok:

Best news
 

Hi there,

I am going to commence my training in Jerez in the 21th of Feb.
all went well, my medical stuff and the admission to Jerez.

thanks for asking.

Grants

grants,

I read your medical issue post with interest. On a two fold approach. Firstly, the lack of people asking how it all went was shocking. Glad it all is sorted. I know a few peeps there now, they're loving it. Plus the banter we all got from that idiot "Biscuit".

I got annoyed by his "if you got 90,000 euros" then its an ok course..... comment. He OBVIOUSLY can't afford it, his dream.

Tosser..

Charlie

Anyway, let's not return this thread to its former undignified state! :ok:

Glad to hear all is well Grants - any tips for the selection process?

Hope to see you there in the next few months! :)

thanks and some test information
 

Thanks guys,

about the selection process,
paper tests:
I can tell you that I am far from being a natural mathematician and I have done well.
they provide you with a calculator, make you sure you know it's functions before the test starts, you don't want to loose time on it ("6 in the power of...!!!! where is this damn thing?!").
I am not a natural English speaker and I passed the verbal reasoning, so just be quick and focused and you'll be fine.

Pilapt test:
be concentrated, take your time, you are on your own in the class room, no competition feeling like in Ctc's.
set your Joystick where you want it and enjoy they game...

interview:
I had it with a senior instructor, an ex-military pilot, and he was the nicest man.
he doesn't play around, nor hiding an tricking questions.
just be yourself.
he will give you a problem to solve in 10 minutes, just do your work, he will be looking at you to see that you don't freak out under some time pressure.
there is no "one answer".

my advise:
take the two days accommodation they offer and split the test between the two.
sleep well, eat well, be yourself in the interview.
meet the guys at the bar, but don't drink too heavy - stay focused.

that's all about it.
for any further information - shoot.

Grants

As I understand aviation all schools have pre-selection. The size of your wallet. I have not yet heard of a course that was pre selected not being full but prehaps I have been in aviation too long and am getting cynical.

- Possibly ;)

Although we have recently had courses start with less than full classes becasue people have 'not reached the required standard'. Yes i go to Jerez, yes maybe i am a little biased, but i'm sure it happens at other pre-selection schools aswell. The schools can not afford to just allow anyone with the money in as they want to keep the standard of students that they train high, so that they can get jobs at the end of it all.

Hey Grants,

Thanks for the heads up! Im not looking for tricks on how to pass or anything like that - its just always nice to have an idea what to *expect* when you go into a situation! :ok: Thanks!

FlyUK - you enjoying it as much as you thought you would? Any unforeseen bad points? :)

sure mate, look for me at the bar...
 

sure mate, look for me at the bar...

Truthfully, i am really enjoying the course. Its not 100% perfect though, but where is? The weather is amazing but not always great for flying, eg. out of crosswind limits because some bright spark decided to build the runway exactly 90 degrees to the prevailing winds! Food is not always, well, how do i put it...what you might expect. But it certainly beats cooking for yourself in the evening when all you want to do is sit in front of the tv with a beer (or sit in your room and do some more work becasue your a machine who just has to know everything the manual has to say). :8
But thats about all i can snag the place on. Brilliant instructors, brilliant area, great equipment....But you do pay for it. Personally i think its worth the money, some may disagree, thats up to you to decide. :ok:

Excellent! Thanks for the heads up guys! Definately expect to see me there in the next couple of months. I suppose with the rwy at right angles to the prevailing wind you get plenty of practice on xwind techniques! :cool: