Gotta agree with all thats said about FTE Jerez. The place is quality and the instructors top notch. Food could be improved slightly, but that's a fairly common grumble (and let's face it, it's always going to be tough to please everybody anyway)- the rest of the place more than makes up for it though.

GRANTS, met you in the bar last week (albeit briefly!). I'll reintroduce myself when you get yourself down here next week.

FireFoxDown - you'll be making a good choice coming down here, the atmosphere is great, the weather equally great (apart from one recent thunderstorm!) and the bar..... oh, the bar..... how cheap does it want to be???!!!

See y'all soon

FJ2k

Have you got a job before graduate?
 

are you sponsored?
seeya soon.

Hi,

I went to FTE and I have to say that overall I had top-notch time!

One of the biggest plus points apart from all the facilities and great aircraft is living out in Espana itself. Socialising out there is just fantastic. Spanish people really know how to have a good night and it all usually kicks off at Happy Hour on Friday (very cheap)!

I know a few people that regularly head back to Jerez once a year (usually around the time of La Ferria, which is amazing) just to visit.

It is a truly foreign experience when you are off the base, so of course it is not for everyone, but I consider it quite a pull factor.

I am thinking about coming out at the end of February as I am not sure whether I can make it to La Ferria. See you all at the bar!

RBG

Heading your way
 

Hey there Guys, :D

What can I say, Its been quite an adventure roaming these Forums / threads over the past week.

I myself am looking to visit Jerez in a few weeks time. Guess i'll see you there?!? Who knows.



I'd just like to express gratitude to those who have entertained me and to those who have educated me on this forum.


CHEERS FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!:ok:

They give you a calculator in the maths test???? Is that even a test of maths? :confused:

Congrats to those who've passed tho.

To fail the tests here would and still not be trained here is almost unheard of. Thats the fact. Anyone who tries to omply that they are a boy genius by being "accepted" is just pulling your plonker.

99% of folks who start the course finish it. It all depends on how big your wallet is and how much you end up in debt at the end. The average student overflys the course syllabus and therefore pays more.

Angels One Fife,

You say the majority of students need to extend their required hours on the course to complete it . . . is that because the course does not include an adequate amount of hours or is that the pressure to complete the course in this time frame is unrealistic?

Appreciate any input! :ok:

Flight Training Europe & PILAPT
 

hi guys,
I've been browsing through previous posts about PILAPT in jerez, looked for some informations, but with no result.
Can somebody tell me (maybe some FTE student) what's the PILAPT all about?
I mean, what kind of questions/subjects are involved? thank you =)

I sent you a long PM about this ages ago (from your old thread), did you not get it?

I'm sorry but I have not received anything :confused:


you can try to send again your message to: [email protected]


anyway, any other responses will be appreciated :)

Help
 

Hi I Realise this thread has not been used in a wee while and i have read it all a few times now and am still in need of some answers and was wondering if anyone out there would still be able to help me.

Im off to Jerez on the 4th April for the Interview, and PILAPT test etc and i have been practicing some online Verbal and numerical reasoining aptitude tests as advised by the careers people at university but i am still wondering what else would be valuable preparation to do before i get there. Any Help or advice would be Very Much Appreciated.

Thanks

2FE :D

I'll be going down about a wek later. Please keep us up to date with how it all goes. Maybe I'll see you on the course (looks like I'll be on the may or june course)

Jerez
 

WoW!...

I think that that place is amazing, when i went i was there for three nights, so on the first day we recieved the guided tour of the whole place now in my opinion when i say amazing im understating it!

Later on that day sat the PILAPT which wasnt as bad as was expecting then that was me

next day sat the written tests and had the interview all went well and now all that i have to get done is the class 1 medical which looks like it has gone up in cost AGAIN!!!!!!!!

****Shakes Head****

Well thats it from me at the moment, Let us know how you get on when your down to visit in Jerez, Best of Luck

2FoxtrotEcho :D

What sort of thing was in the tests and interviews?

Jerez
 

the tests were,

basic numeracy
harder numeracy deliberatly hard
verbal reasoning - deliberatly hard also

interview was a similar style to the kind u get for airlines

I went to jerez a few months ago and thought the place great
The writen tests are multiple choice
the simple math is meant to be passed - arithmetic
hard math is problems such as physics and q's like it takes 10 painters 10 days to paint 5 houses how many painters does it take to paint 15 houses in 5 days
(I made that question up ,no q's involve painters or paint but you get the picture)
Verbal reasoning i would describe as logic

doing iq test like on e-mode/tikkle.com might give you an idea but are not as hard

for the computer tests
1.hand eye cooradination
2.spatial reasoning
3.finding shapes in boxes full of lines
4.flighing a crosshair trough squares
for the hand eye coordination you use a joystick and the y axis is inverted
if you play computer games invert the y axis becouse i think this might have been a problem for me being so used to noninverted
also im told the hand eyecoordination is the most one people flail on.
I passed on my second attempt.


good look

ps the sausages for breakfast were disgusting, but dont let me put you off going ther:ok:

Can you expand on that please? I've had no interviews as of yet so have no idea what to expect.

Simon - great help, thanks. I'm really considering FTE seriousley now after some long hard thought lol

FTE Interview,

First Part: 'Tell me about yourself'.... (talk about achievements, where your interests in aviation came from, teamworking, evidence of leadership...)

Second Part: Airline Ops Problem. They throw in during the middle of the interview a short problem (u get 10 mins onm your own to figure it out). Its like you have 2 aircraft, one goes U/S, you have to work out quickest/cheapest way to get some pax from A to B. Then they quiz you on it; why did you chose that....? what happened if this changed....?

Third Part: 'what you know about industry & what you want to do' so do you know what you will do at FTE? where do you see yourself in 10 years...?

thanks Aerospace, that's a great help :)

Simonc15 - Crosshairs Test
 

Simonc15,

Hi there, good informative post reference the tests. Can you please confirm the below.

1) Joystick pushed forward, horizontal cross hair lowers (i.e. nose of aircraft)

...or...

2) Joystick pushed forward, horizontal cross hair raises (i.e. flying an ILS)

Would be greatful if you could confirm this for me.

Many thanks,

Stumpyotoole.:)

it will be like ILS, where if you push forwards, the horizontal line rises, as if the nose of the aircraft has gone down

Review of visit to Jerez
 

Very nice looking place, very helpful staff. Simulators are very well kept (compared to the modular schools I've seen) The whole place really feels geared towards training (and so it should!)

Tests have already been discussed, so I won't give anything more away... you'll have to wait and see... :E

Interview felt more like a chat about why I want to fly, what I've done with my life so far etc. Fortunately I've done quite a bit of "extra stuff" like Duke of Edinburgh's award and TA, so they liked that a lot!

Everyone there seemed happy with the courses they were doing. I spent quite a bit of time with some modular students who recommended doing integrated!

Instructors were of the "I've been doing this so long I've seen it all before but don't brag about it" variety. I sat in with some people doing IR sim stuff and the instructor was very professional and highly capable.

There were three other candidates there:
-One failed the English language test (and consequently the English comprehension and maths comprehension tests)
-One failed the maths test
-One passed everything but was warned that his Pilapt tests suggested he may have to invest in more than minimum flying time.
-And then there was me. I passed all the tests, so I'm going on the course on 22nd May

So, that's a 50% pass rate and of that 50%, 50% accepted.

Oh yes, and simonc15 is right about the sausages, they're terrible!

The hand eye cooradination it is is a cross on screen and you have to keep it in line with an other cross on screen but the cross you control moves without your imput and you have to counteract the movement with the joystick and keep it centred with the immoblile one.
if you push the joystick left the cross goes left and if you pull the joystick backwards(down) the the cross goes up
for flying through squares its like an aircraft:)

hope that clear things up

Pilapt Test (hand/eye)
 

Now I am really confused!! :confused: :{
sicky and simonc15... you guys have completely contadicted each other with regards to the contol inputs in the test!:}
Can anyone actually confirm the controls of the test?:ugh:
thanks
stumpy:hmm:

Basically it's like flying a normal plane, if u push up, the horizontal bar will go down, and if u pull the stick back towards you, the horizontal bar will go up

i agree with sickys last post
if you were flying a aircraft the horizontal bar would be the horizon

Still Confused
 

Hi Simonc15
Still a contradiction going on here!:{
sicky says that if you push stick forward... horizontal line goes down (like nose of a plane)
but if like you said, it represents the horizon, when you push stick forward, horizon line moves up (as nose of aircraft drops)
still lost on this one, just got cockpit-web test and want to know if on crosshairs test the y-axis matches the real pilapt test or if the y-axis is inverted. :ugh:
help:(
stumpy

stumpy,

I am 100% sure the cockpitweb test does not resemble the real PILAPT cross-bar test. The PILAPT one is joystick back (or down if looking from top) to move the bar up. I've had two goes so I should know. In fact I've asked them (cockpitweb) to consider changing it and they have acknowledged my feedback. Best you don't use the cockpitweb test for that particular exercise or you will do worse than you would had you not prepared for it. Also, relax it's not as difficult as you think.

Hope this helps.

If you're still getting confused, i suggest just going to the tests and seeing for yourself as it's pointless us going on and on about this!

It really is simple

my mistake
 

the horizontal bar does not represent the horizon
down is up and up is down and im going to stop writing about it becouse im confusing myself:confused:

Guys, I'm with sicky on this. Do you want them to wipe your backside too while you are out there?

Sorry to sound harsh, but the whole idea of these tests is that you go in with no practice whatsoever and if you do have the ability then you shouldn't have any problems.

Apparently it does not matter on the hand eye coordination test if you had practise allready, physchologists say you could be flying for hours and the test results will not improve, you ether have it or you dont.

Guys, I've not long sat this.

Best bit of advice I can give is just to move the joystick in the direction of the crosshair, if it moves towards the top left, move the stick forward and left. It's probably more of a disadvantage to those who've flown before.

I'm going to put a detailed post up here v shortly which will hopefully explain a bit more about the whole thing and Jerez.

It's nothing to worry about, you get better by the 3rd time you do it and that's what they're looking for.

Gavin

Hi Guys,

I have just read through all the previous comments posted and want to say thanks, all have been really helpful.:)

Im planning to head over to Jerez to sit the aptitude tests in the next month but I had one main concern.....In the brochure it suggests a pre-course study which consists of a number of topics to be covered most of which can be found in AC Kermode's Mechanics of Flight.
Having little or no flying experience I bought this book and proceeded to read through the first few chapters, all of which were slightly complicated to say the least...:confused:

I was just wondering would anybody know if you are expected to know all or any of this stuff for the interview and did anybody else study this material before they headed over for their aptitude tests?

Any other advice on anything worth studying or reading over beforehand would be much appreciated!!

Cheers!!

:yuk: 'Mechanics of Flight'.
It's so simple it's quite confusing.

I have always had a sneaky suspicion that he wrote this in order to justify the construction of complex airborne machines by the British aviation industry when it really had nothing more than the theoretical technology upon which to base its forays into actual aircraft design and construction.

By the same author and rather even easier on the little grey cells is:

'Flight without Formulae'

It is readily available on the net wave.

I suggest you dip into a second hand copy of that. It used to be available in paperback and is actually relatively readable in a sort of Bernoullian way. Much more fun actually than its big daddy, rather like 'War and Peace' with the rather boring peace bits excised from the tome.;)

I Bought the "Mechanics of Flight" also. Please do not worry. None of the written tests involve anything anywhere near as complex as this and also I've been told that the ATPL exams don't either...

Gavin

I'm off to Jerez as well pretty shortly ( next week! ) to sit the aptitude tests. I've mainly been trying to swot up on my Maths & Physics, which unfortunately can only be described as ropey at best!
Anybody else in the same boat? What are you concentrating on?
Cheers,

Frank

Hey guys

After reading the previous posts I thought id add something about my experience at Jerez. I went last week to do the aptitude tests and loved it. In my opinion, the choice of FTOs between OAT and FTE is a question of location rather than quality as they are just as good as each other. The PILAPT tests at Jerez are fine as long as you concentrate. The verbal reasoning was harder than I thought it would be but maybe thats just me. Being 17 yrs old, my only downfall was lack of life experience but if I can do it then theres no reason why others can’t.
My advice is spend time looking around and talking to the students as they are the ones who know what your going through.
Good luck and enjoy it,

Jen248

Hi Guys
 

I wouldnt get too hung up on getting books etc for the aptitude tests
alrite i have done some flying befor i went down but i didnt need it.
previous flyin can put u at a dissadvantage on some tests and an advantage on othere so it all works out nicely

so when you go chill take a deep breath and be yourself the only preperation i did was

some practice aptitude tests online that were way harder than jerez's look here for some http://www.shl.com/SHL/en-int/Products/TestTrials.htm
they are free ia also tried pilapt-prep.co.uk sadly to say the biggest waste of 25quid in my opinion sorry to anyone who swears buy it

2FoxtrotExho


PS - Is anyone starting on the may 22nd course??

Me!
 

I'm there on the 22nd of May, setting off from Aberdeen on Monday and driving all the way there....

Anyone else?

Gav