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737FR 6th Mar 2012 15:50

^ Totally agree with the above comment.

Being a student at Cabair in 2007, it's sad to see the how the company has been run since I left. I can honestly say 5 years ago I would have never thought they would be in this situation.

Best of luck for you students that have been left in the c**p

chrisbl 7th Mar 2012 21:25

Any company can get itself into difficulties. If I had £1 every time someone said I never thought they would go bust or similar sentiment I could afford to retire.
Lets look at some well known "never go bust companies"
Cabair
Sabena
Swissair
Every American legacy airline
Pan Am
Eastern
Alitalia
Horizon and a few dozen holiday companies
Astraeus
Woolworths
Habitat
Rangers
A few banks
and so on and so on.

Trust nothing

SpreadEagle 8th Mar 2012 13:20

@G-STRX

I'm not often moved to comment in a thread, but I just wanted to say don't beat yourself up over this. Misery lies that way. Drag your father to the PC if you like.

This wasn't your fault. You made the best choices you could. Oxford have been bust a number of times. Cabair have more recent history. You are told by airlines the training they provide is good and that integrated is preferred - you didn't have a whole lot of options. You did what you could to give yourself a chance of getting a career that you could most likely do well at. The same as all these buggers telling you that you were stupid.

Let me make you feel better. What if you had the license? Finished at Cabair? Then what? I have a license. I finished at Cabair in 2008. I started my training in Jan 2007 when economic crisis wasn't even on the horizon.
I spent all that money, just like you. Told all my friends and family, just like you. Felt embarrassed, hurt and cheated, just like you. Yeah, I got a license. But I have no job. Most people have no jobs after pilot training (some 80%). Almost the only people that work for airlines are those whose parents bought them a job with Ryan Air, Easy jet et al. They are there by virtue of the financial fire power that their parents deployed. Some are talented and deserve it. Some are absolute idiots.

Where would you have gone next? Would you have renewed your IR/medical etc for £1000 a year forever after? Would you have splashed out £27,000 on a TR only to be told you need line training or that they didn't need contractors right now? Would you have spent money doing interviews and sim checks at airlines that don't have any intention of recruiting any of the candidates at that moment, more they just want to keep HR paying for itself? Would you have sent out 100's of CVs and covering letters that never got read? Would you have spent money getting instructor licenses and worked part time for peanuts haemorrhaging more cash as you subsidise your dreadful income? Would you have spent 5 years+ flying ropey aircraft in the back of beyond raking up more debt in the hope someone would note the experience on your CV? - They wouldn't by the way.

You are a statistic. One of an overwhelming majority of people who own a Class 1 medical and will never get a job. Just like me. Just like many of my friends. We all fell at different fences but the result is the same. DNF.

If you can take any positives its that you wasted less time than others, less money than others, less effort than others.

There are hateful people on this forum. Ungrateful youths who spend so much time in the sky that they think they are God; better than you, wiser than you, more deserving than you. And they have no idea how lucky they are nor will they ever. And that's life. No one said it would be fair.

BillieBob 8th Mar 2012 14:56


Oxford have been bust a number of times.
Oh really? When, for example?

Genghis the Engineer 27th Mar 2012 15:59

That's how it is.

G

distaff_beancounter 27th Mar 2012 16:20

This looks pretty final to me:-

NOTICE: Cabair International (UK) Ltd

Lightning Mate 27th Mar 2012 18:27

For Gods' sake - this is history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wingreencard 8th Apr 2012 02:52


Would you have renewed your IR/medical etc for £1000 a year forever after? Would you have splashed out £27,000 on a TR only to be told you need line training or that they didn't need contractors right now? Would you have spent money doing interviews and sim checks at airlines that don't have any intention of recruiting any of the candidates at that moment, more they just want to keep HR paying for itself? Would you have sent out 100's of CVs and covering letters that never got read? Would you have spent money getting instructor licenses and worked part time for peanuts haemorrhaging more cash as you subsidise your dreadful income? Would you have spent 5 years+ flying ropey aircraft in the back of beyond raking up more debt in the hope someone would note the experience on your CV? - They wouldn't by the way.
you are totally right, but I can go further, even experience doesn't count these days, even if you have 1000h or 2000h (even on type) , they don't care. I know many guys with no job, many 320 and 737guys still sitting at home. Now we worry about these licenses we have to renew. it 's not only you coming out of school who have problems, it's everybody. This industry is on its knees, and with fuel going up in the future, it' s not going to be easier..
better to sell ice-cream on the beach. It' s risk free, no training, ...anyway, you all have been warned:" don't pay up front, go modular,..."but you didn't listen, you went your own way, thinking to jump the line, now it' s time for pay back.

as for training prospect, it would be better to chose a profession based on job opportunities than just the "glamour side". Would you like to be locked in a cockpit for 10-12 hours a day and follow same procedures and check lists the rest of your life until you are bored to death?because this is the reality.You don't fly these planes like a aeroclub plane.it's all pull/push/twist knobs' job.

Aware 9th Jun 2012 16:49

As a former SE instructor at Cabair, back in 2010, I was sent details of the administration this week. Full details of everybody and staff who have been left high and dry, all their names and addresses. This seems to me against the data protection rules. But does show to what extent the mess it has left.. I reckon 40 plus students average 35 - 40 K some much more.

I also heard from a reliable source at another school on the field that the CAA yes the CAA have picked up the tab to finish some of the students who have made very very large waves of compliant with them, all done under the table and not being made public.

Mickey Kaye 10th Jun 2012 07:58

Although this is very good news for the students involved I'm not sure this sets the right precedent.

Lightning Mate 10th Jun 2012 15:13


I also heard from a reliable source at another school on the field that the CAA
yes the CAA have picked up the tab to finish some of the students
Your "reliable source" isn't...............:ugh:


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