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av8tor396 24th Dec 2018 11:21


Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver (Post 10343615)


Maybe they’re just tired of fighting a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent?

Why don’t you enlighten us with your great wisdom O’ Great One?

Duchess_Driver 24th Dec 2018 14:31

I have never proclaimed to be a fan of the place but have some knowledge of the situation. Regardless of what’s gone on in the past, I know that there are some good people there working very hard to try and rectify the problems and make progress in putting them right.

What i get ‘frustrated’ at is the constant negativity and dwelling on the past. Yes, there were problems, yes, there are challenges but continued bleeding about them isn’t conducive. Focus on the future, the investment and fixes that are being put in place then perhaps things will move on. The BAA management may well have ‘gone quiet’ to focus on where their attention is needed rather than engaging in dialogue that, as far as moving forwards is concerned, isn’t that helpful.


caravel 24th Dec 2018 18:27

I will be having a final interview with SmartLynx next month, and of course I read this whole thread. I still would like to go and check it for myself. Anybody there who would be ok sharing some info on how it goes about, since it is Christmas and I cannot contact anybody from the school?

Is it a full day screening, or just an individual 1h interview, or how is it like? I am just trying to prepare and plan the trip, but cant really find anything specific online. X) thanks in advance guys, any help will be welcome! :)

av8tor396 25th Dec 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver (Post 10343763)
What i get ‘frustrated’ at is the constant negativity and dwelling on the past.



Dwelling on the past? Up until last week the problems were ongoing with no solution. Just the same old promises. And now, the holidays.



Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver (Post 10343763)
Yes, there were problems, yes, there are challenges but continued bleeding about them isn’t conducive.

There ARE problems and there is still no laid out operational plan as to how to fix it. Management has given the famous speech of hiring new instructors and planes that they have been given since the ages.


Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver (Post 10343763)
......perhaps things will move on. The BAA management may well have ‘gone quiet’ to focus on where their attention is needed rather than engaging in dialogue that, as far as moving forwards is concerned, isn’t that helpful.

So, let me get this straight: You have paid thousands of euros for an education (that you or most of the others are not receiving properly). You know that there are problems that almost ALL students are experiencing. And your only glimpse of hope is 'PERHAPS things will move on' or 'MAY have gone quiet to focus on a plan of action'? And you think YOU are the armed person in the battle of wits? :D Man, I really think you deserve to be there!

Maverick00 12th Jan 2019 15:20

I'm passed my Wizz Air Assessment in Vilnius... and I'm waiting for the Interview with the airline...but after I read all this post about the school all my happiness went away..

Nurse2Pilot 18th Jan 2019 21:09

Just got an email from them for a career day in Milan and Rome. Wow! BAA was one of the schools I was considering before, maybe because of the YT videos I found. Glad to have this thread as an eye opener!

Altered_P 22nd Jan 2019 11:03

Hi everyone

Were there any improvements?

Do you think the Wizzair program is still worth going through the hassle of this school? If the situation is that bad, I wonder if Wizzair will really want to continue the partnership, and what will happen for current cadets if the company realizes that their future pilots' training was not as good as advertised by the school...

eeeaddict 22nd Jan 2019 18:53

Does anyone know if this lady worked for BAA?
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6e49801f09.png



tecnamflyer 22nd Jan 2019 21:27

She still does. The queen of broken promises, do not believe a word she is saying.

These ladies are paid commission, the same like a car salesman. You joining the school = more money for them that month. They will say anything to earn their paycheck. I have overheard somethings this lady has said to young naive people coming for assessment in Vilnius and was totally shocked by what I heard and the "arguments" she was giving for why the student should join BAA despite the ridiculous price for the service you get. The same person then when everything goes :mad: in the school she doesn't wish to know anything about it, why should she? She already earned the money she could out of you, you are an old story after you join.

eeeaddict 23rd Jan 2019 04:27

wow is she that tall in person? I guess BAA knows that a lot of us are shy or naieve and pretty people help put those feelings at ease, to our detriment lol!

uberfly 23rd Jan 2019 12:27


Originally Posted by Altered_P (Post 10367142)
Hi everyone

Were there any improvements?

Do you think the Wizzair program is still worth going through the hassle of this school? If the situation is that bad, I wonder if Wizzair will really want to continue the partnership, and what will happen for current cadets if the company realizes that their future pilots' training was not as good as advertised by the school...

Yes there are improvements. Waiting time is increased to 4 months from 3 months. And desperately some of the students are happy to fly 11 hours after 3 months of waiting.

flytodie 1st Feb 2019 09:35

The main problem is actually scheduling for now. And VFR delays caused by weather, but IFR is totally about planning. Because math is simple. For example they 4 IFR a/c with 5 IRI. They trying to give every student 3 slots per week.

A/C can operate 9 hours a day roughly. Because of ATC working times. And yet of course its impossible to get 9 hours because of refuel and so on... So in 6 working days (because one day off for instructor) if we calculate from 7 hour average, 168 hours. 3 slots per week for a student means between 9-12 hours (because of some flights 2 hours some of 3 hours and some 4 hours. But actually majority of flights 3-4 hours). So if we calculate from average 11 hours they need to operate 16 students in one time.

If you will look at amount of student they try to operate for now around 25-26 students at one time. And yet this is not only problem. Because of 100h-200h inspections most of the time they have 3 even sometimes they have 2 a/c. Even not talking about unexpected maintenance for a/c. And yet they doing all of this in other base with third part company.

Dukaster 11th Feb 2019 20:55

The management is trying to improve the training. There's a new director, which is more attached to fix the issues.
The lack of investment is not directly their responsibility. Aviation solution group (the owner of BAA, aviationCV, BGS Baltic Ground Service) is responsible for that.
The instructors also do what they can, as well the managers the students are in contact with. The training managers usually do their maximum to help out.

Many students were sent home due to the delays. It's the best thing BAA could do. Let me remind you that last year, all those students waited everyday to fly, stuck at home, paying a rent. Now at least they have a date to move to Spain and start flying.

BAA is victim of its own success. There are still some internal issues, but the school is moving on the right direction.

flytodie 11th Feb 2019 21:20

Still some of students are waiting. Its not about being victim of their success. They was already knew that how much students they will have. Look dude most probably i'm started my education more early than you. And from the date we was started we try to warn school. We asked questions about how they will operate all this students whit such number A/C. They was saying don't worry it will be okey bla bla.... But at the end we saw what happened. And yes Martynas is good guy at least he trying to do something. But is it enough ? NO !!! I'm flying every week 2 times where is the improvement about this ? And that first in first out rule they was talking about its only a fairytale. By the way let me remind you one thing we are talking about IFR. There is a lot of students whom they are not finish their IFR or waiting MEP and already their contract finished or soon it will finish. And i dont know how you looking but for me management and school is same. If they not able to get investment which they want, they can change company or not deal with this thing. Training managers doing maximum help out ? LOL ! You know that there was a time even they didnt answer emails like one month. So dude as you can see at topic majority of students know and see what is going on really. So i will not discuss with such die hard fan like you about school. I dont know you but first promise which we was get NOVEMBER 2018 finish date. And guess what 2019 Feb and still waiting. You are assuming something only looking your situation. I suggest you talk with some students from February 2017 group which still trying to finish their education.

TheEdge 12th Feb 2019 16:39

Yes...all true...but it is also true that there are students from February 2017 that are already doing Line Training or OCC at the moment...so it is a very complex situation in my opinion; and yes (again) BAA is part of AviaSolutionsGroup (ASG) and ASG doesnt give a damn of BAA or investing too much on it....the real money are coming from other companies from their group.

uberfly 12th Feb 2019 21:27

I don't know how you guys know whether BAA receive sufficient investment or not. Either some BAA employees blame them to cover their failure or you know someone in Avia Solution's management board. To start with if you consider employing enough FI is worth any money/investment, you are wrong. Maybe equipment cost money but often such investments financed with the mean of long term bank loans (often called leasing) so they don't need to pay lump sump money to manufacturer at once. So it is not all about budget they have but I believe it is mainly poor management.

About improvement in school, I see now improvement but at least they start to aim to the right direction. We will see if they will succeed or not. But this does not mean anything for current students. Most of us had already one of the worst experience/choice of our life and in the future I don't think many of us remember BAA as a good memory. Most of us still suffering, some of waiting for months and months, some of us having 1-2 flight per week, some of us waiting for months for flying MEP for 11 hours and others thinking what is next after graduation, especially for guys from Smartlynx and Avion. Because BAA still doesn't have career advice/help service before or after graduation to help their students (especially independent ones) to get a job.

About support from school. It is ''0''. Training managers were never good or know what they are doing since the first day I stepped into school. Very sad. In every internal mail which is shared with students they always mentioned 24 hours rule to answer students inquiries. But as it was mentioned one of the previous post some of the messages left without respond for days and weeks.Students never guided by BAA or training managers for the next steps or no information provided by them unless we ask them.

All in short, school is still missing professionalism. They should really look into schools out there to improve their service, transparency and the way they communicate with related parties.

lilflyboy262...2 21st Mar 2019 00:22

Does anyone know if these issues are just confined to the piston training AC or are these issues across the board and affecting the A320 TR courses as well?

KT1988 21st Mar 2019 01:48

I just saw this thread and what I can really not believe is how it is possible they get so many students (especially after reading how many planes they got, even much smaller schools in Poland have 2 multi engine planes for ME/IR rating). The marketing must be the cause, since when I decided in 2017 I do not wish to be a lawyer and live in Norway for the rest of my life and instead realize my big dream the only schools that appeared were the Norwegian one in Sandefjord and BAA...... Happily I got the idea that there must be some flight schools in Poland (so I checked through Google) and happily found some schools and chose one that I am very satisfied with (right now not even all aircraft are in continuous use and there are already plans to get 3 more (before the season) on good weather days since people can book when they want to fly a week in advance, and you always get at least 3 slots per week (sometimes 5) if you are available all the time).

I just can not believe how so many people can pay 72 000 Euro for the integrated course if the only difference is some ground-school for the ATPL exams, its definitely cheaper to employ a private teacher if you need it for the subjects. As for guaranteed jobs, well if failing to get any job in the airlines its still cheaper to p2f than to pay for an integrated course.

I actually believe that any random school in Poland will be better than what is described in this thread so if you do not prefer Warszawa check Lodz or Poznan schools before paying 72 000 Euro or 100 000 Euro or even more at integrated schools. For the difference in price you can have 5 or even 10 teachers giving you private ATPL lessons until you pass and still have a lot of money left. And theory ground-school is the only difference between 0-ATPL+FI and integrated course (theory that is usable in practical flying is taught perfectly and examined before you are allowed to fly solo or to build hours after achieving PPL(A) ).

The Deec 26th Mar 2019 12:21

737 type
 
They are advertising 737 type course and if you dont get a job within a year they refund you 10 grand. Can anyone shed any light on this ad campaign ?

A320LGW 26th Mar 2019 12:51

Are you looking for the catch? It comes in the definition of 'job'.

The catch is that they include 'line training programmes' as a job. So if when you finish your type rating you are approached by AviationCV (you will be) and they try to give you a placement of 500hrs for 40,000eu or whatever for a salary of 700eu a month, if you say no to this then they count it as you said no to a job and you will not get 10,000eu back.


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