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dcoded 20th Sep 2010 16:35

type on 737CL for 7000eur?
 
Baltic Aviation Academy
Any one heard of them?

Google them up.
They apparently offer a type rating on the 737CL for 7000Eur.
The course is called "From dusk till dawn" and all training is done between dusk and dawn, hence the name and the price they claim.
The type is off course without Touch and Go landings in the 737Cl, but they can hook you up on that too, but I don't know the price but the carrier is Small Planet Airlines (never heard of them)

I am currently looking at the MCC which is done at the 737CL, the price is 2600Eur, which is fairly good.

So, is this a scam?

flapless wings 5th Nov 2010 04:34

I am plannning to do my 737 NG rating self sponsered from them?
Anyone any comments or anyone who has done his type rating from them?
They will host the fround classes in Lithuania and FFS in London.

Thanks for an early response.

Kind Regards

tecbar 5th Nov 2010 10:52

I only did my CRM course with them. Pretty professionnal, good installation, good instructor. Nothing bad to say.

flyboijai 20th Dec 2010 08:43

the training hrs is less with baltic.:O

remixx 2nd Feb 2011 09:45

What is the site of Baltic Aviation Academy?

captainsuperstorm 2nd Feb 2011 10:09

and you think to land a job?

too nice to be true! get real, there is no easy way.All they want is your Lituanian dollars:E

SW1 2nd Feb 2011 10:12

I think these guys may be more reputable:

About us :

remixx 3rd Feb 2011 05:58

Thanks for the link. I've found many useful information about the trainings :ok:

typhane 19th Jul 2011 15:38

Hi Everyone :}...

Any feedbacks about Balticaa????? I'm planning to go there for september 11 for a TR 737cl. They are quiet cheap but that can be risky. This school is running for less then a year (. I dont want to wast my time and my money. So, is there any former students who pass a TR in this TRTO???

thksss ;)

JMSA_PILOT 19th Jul 2011 15:46

does any one knows any one that had made successful line training thru them?

typhane 20th Jul 2011 18:25

Yes... that's a good question...So, anyone ????:confused:

Sirijus 20th Oct 2011 16:51

Hello guys,

I might be able to answer a few questions about the academy and correct a few mistakes.

It started trainings in about ~1992 for then Lithuanian Airlines' pilots. In ~2006-7 the company separated from the airline and became Flylal Training. A few years ago the name was changed to BAA, that's why you might think it's there for a very short time.

The academy has got it's own A320 and B737CL simulators and a Fire Fighting trainer, there are plans for further expansion - this only proves that you don't pay to get the academy out of bancruptcy, you pay to get your service.

The main reason why the prices are not that high - Lithuanian salaries. For comparision, Lithuanian salaries are something like 4 times lower than British salaries. That is because the living expenses are much lower too.

About the Line Training - I have never asked about anybody who received that, but I know that Small Planet Airlines (which is in the same business group as BAA) is hiring pilots for their bases in Poland, Lithuania, Italy on the B737 and A320, some of whom will be/are pilots with little experience.

For those who are interested but not have heard about BAA - visit the site. Also the Marketing Department has made some nice videos and put them on youtube and facebook.

For your information, I do work there as well as study ATPL integrated. As a student I can tell that everything has been good for me - we are taken care of. But as I am an employee as well, it would not be politically correct if I told you any more good things about the academy.

If that helps - I am not paid for posting here, nor am I paid for an attracted student or anything that is associated to posting here. That is the job for the Sales Department, my job is unbelievably unrelated.

EDIT: About the 777-400 thingy - probably a simple IT team mistake, that will be corrected, thank you!

Good luck! :)

roma_ua 20th Oct 2011 17:16

I`ve been there couple of weeks ago. I`d like to mention that their integrated course is pretty much interesting and I`d like to join the next one. Currently, I`m trying to get appropriate summ to join. Of course I`ve got my own doubts about it cause the course lasts for 2 years of intensive education, but it`s another story.

Sirijus
I`m glad to hear from a real student some feedback about the academy.
On what stage of your course are you now? How do you evaluate the process and your progress? Where are you from? Thx

Sirijus 20th Oct 2011 17:40


On what stage of your course are you now? How do you evaluate the process and your progress? Where are you from? Thx 20th Oct 2011 19:51
Hey. I am in the first year and we have just started the ground school, still on the first subject (Principles of Flight). Though I have not started fully yet because I was late doing my payment - the CBT has not arrived as a result. But others say that it is quite hard and they do get exhausted at the end of the day. But progress is clear looking from the side and the knowledge is building up (as you might expect of course). I haven't been to all the lectures as I don't have the CBT yet (will receive it next week, a lot of catching up may I say), but the one's I've been to were definitely interesting and informative - the instructors are flying pilots so they've got plenty of stories to share, and they do. Most of them are able to explain you in English (well, the whole course is done in the language), Lithuanian as well as Russian, so when somebody doesn't understand, they might get help in a language more comfortable for them.

A disadvantage I can see - the course might be a little bit too long for an integrated compared to western academies, that's because of our local weather - when we can't fly, we just can't. But we'll see what happens, BAA has plans on buying more new aircraft so maybe we will use the good weather we've got in the highest potential.

By the way there is an Ukrainian guy (you're from there if I'm correct?) studying ATPL Integrated, maybe he could tell you more. PM me for his e-mail.

Happy to help :)

roma_ua 21st Oct 2011 05:54

Thx, Sirijus for your reply. I think I`ll contact you or him later when you finish your ATPL exams. Then it will be more obvious how worth it is. Did you consider other flight schools in Europe? Chech`s or any others (not as expensive as Spanish or British ones)?
Have you spoken with guys who are on their second year of training? What do they tell about the weather and BAA?

Sirijus 21st Oct 2011 07:59

Hey.

Well I have had done my research, some of the academies did offer something valuable for a good price, most of the reviews were good (can't remember though where exactly, I will need to find the tables in my old computer). However, weighing all the pros and cons, like living expenses, little to no negative reviews, etc. I chose BAA.

ATPL Integrated group started only this year, but I've talked with a guy who is on modular and got his PPL in September. He said that he is quite happy about the choise and everybody was helpful for him. Have you been here, you could probably also tell that the atmosphere is good, that makes a difference :)

roma_ua 21st Oct 2011 09:33

And what about the weather? I`ve heard much concerns about it.
I`ve noticed pretty good athmosphere at BAA too :ok:
BAA still remains my N1 choice, but still looking for others.
Want to be 100% sure in my choice, or at least close to it.
Thx for reply.

bedix84 21st Oct 2011 17:09

Dear All,
please make sure You already did all you re-search about TR-BT and eventually LT, because I dont think the BAA is cheaper that aother TRTO.
I will put for you he price that BAA gave to me and if you try to find other TRTO, you can find that you can do TR+BT with a total cost of 21.000 Eur.( 12/13000 for TR and 6500/7500 euro for BT).:ok:


Price for type rating in BAA is:
  • A320- 20500 EUR :confused:
  • Accommodation here in Vilnius for all training period is around 700 eur. Base training price is:
  • A320- 8000 eur. :confused:
  • Line training possibilities for A320 are 300 h (23500 eur+ additional airline taxes) and 500h (33000eur+ additional airline taxes).
You can recognize so, that price for TR in BAA is expansive.

other points to think about:
  • The simulator centre and equipments are good but the learning lessons and experience of Instructor are lacking.:=
  • All Lithuanian FO, coming from Lithuania and did the training in Baltic, failed the simulator assessment for Easy jet Direct FO
  • Small Planet Airline (737 and 320) are a very unprofessional company to work for: lack of safety, lack of information,lack of maintenance, lack of rules and standardization,and you will be flying little per months, maybe you can afford to reach 40 hours, you'll be always the third crew flying,discriminated as pilot who pay to fly and first of all no experience after you're LT,you'll be in trouble then to aplly other companies.:oh:
This is the direct experience of one Pilot next to me.
So said, dear fellow open your eyes and do some research and ask some young pilot here oin PPrune, that have got some SP experience...they will tell you!
You are advised!

Sirijus 2nd Nov 2011 08:28

Small Planet Airlines is in Avia Solutions Group as is BAA, however both are different companies and BAA offers BT and LT not only in it. I talked to a colleague and she mentioned that an A320 self-financing group who have just finished are having their base training with Vueling and Line Training with Atlas Jet. We also have agreements with other companies and are always opting for the best solution for our students.

About the airline itself and the things you mentioned neither can I agree, nor can I disagree. Again, we are different companies.

About the instructor incompetence we have around 300 instructors from all over the world and of course not all of them will be perfect. But after having a bad experience with one or two, it is unfair to blame them all.

If the living expenses are too expensive for you, there are cheaper options (which would require some sacrifices safety, comfort, convenience, etc.). However the price in a hotel seems quite fare for me.

About the line training costs these do seem high and I can not comment too much here because nobody told me the exact prices and that depends more on the airline than us.

I can not disagree that BAA is not the cheapest TRTO in the business, but being the cheapest would mean that quality should be sacrificed in order to maintain that cheaper prices. However the price you said (20500) is something I can hardly believe in. That is why Im asking: could you send me the e-mail you got from us with the offer? We would like to investigate how such high prices were offered. Also, what do you know about our graduates being unsuccessful in the Easyjet assessment?

Anyway, we are sorry that you and your friend had a bad experience with BAA. The academy is doing its best for the students, but sometimes, no matter how seldom or how often, it may not be enough.

I personally wish you and everybody else a good luck with your careers, and hope you will find what is best for you.

P.S. If somebody has doubts about the academy, you can check BAAs Youtube channel for interviews with students or just buy a ticket and come and visit it. For the correct prices you will find the e-mail on the website.

citationdos 22nd Nov 2011 10:55

I just received this letter from them, they are really the most expensive TR in Europe.

And they are not good enough because a friend of mine went there and he didn`t like it at all. The way the promote therselves saying "we are the best and everybody else es bad" it's a very cheap way.
I don't know how they can charge that much in a country where the level is so low.

Just to give you a stamp of TR B737 which has got no value without flying hours.



We have upcoming B737 NG Type Rating Training since 5th of December.


Package include:
Type rating training (16 working days of ground course and 36 hour in FFS) in Vilnius, Lithuaniaand in Brussels, Belgium.
Accommodation for type rating period with breakfast
Transportation to/from airport/training center/hotel
Base training (6 T/G) in Cimber Sterling (for JAA license holders)
New Year celebration (additional cost)
Price 24000 EUR*
Entry requirements:
100 hours as pilot-in-command of airplanes;
Valid ME, IR (multi-engine, instrument rating);
Valid CPL or ATPL;
Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate;
MCC certificate of completion;
English level 4 according to ICAO requirements.

Sirijus 22nd Nov 2011 12:01


I just received this letter form them, they are really the most expensive TR in Europe. And they are not good enough because a friend of mine went there and he didn`t like it at all. The installations are not good, I don't know how they can charge that much in a country where the level is so low. Just to give you a stamp of TR B737 which has got no value without flying hours.
My friend's best friend is an astronaut and so he likes peanuts :) This time I will only ask a few things - what kind of installations are you talking about? Is this about the CAE simulators or anything else?

TR price - BT and accomodation in Vilnius and Brussels included. You may have missed this part :) Sorry, but I tend not to like unreasonable posts

No RYR for me 22nd Nov 2011 12:49

Isn't that "new"A320 sim one of the oldest in Europe? :confused:

bedix84 22nd Nov 2011 14:17

I advised you previously guys..don't go there!!!!
All Bullshit!
too expansive, lack of instrution and professionality!!
Thant's it...sounds good:ok:
Sirjus I think the days the BAA mention for accomodation are too much respect of the level of live in Vilnius, second guys don't expect a real 4 stars hotel, because it not so...very very low category! and People at the reception very cold and never smiling...not helpfull for your staying!!

Sirijus 22nd Nov 2011 15:38

Bedix,

a colleague has told me about your friend's bad experience. I was sorry to hear about that and would be really pi**ed if that happened to me too.

Again, I appreciate that you notify others about a bad situation, but agree, it is a little unfair to spread hate (I do not know how to call it correctly) if you yourself haven't been at BAA. The academy is not the cheapest but I would disagree that it is the most expensive. And if you are not happy with anything, first you should say it directly to us, then spread the word. Not giving a chance to improve is simply unfair. Write me a PM if you don't want to show your name, and I will tell what you told me to the management.

As for the hotel, it is one of the easier things to change - you complain and we will just find another one. Maybe after having a bad visit you will never come again, but at least you would make matters better for upcoming students.

Also, about our management. They are a very dedicated bunch of people always trying to take care of their students. If nobody tells anybody about the instructors, facilities, apart from friends and on Pprune, how can we know if it is not up to our expectations, let alone students' in reality?

And if you get an all inclusive price, just ask for bare TR price. You can arrange the living, transportation, BT, LT and other stuff by yourselves, this will not make you a worse student or something.

Bedix, I will write you a PM (no worries, I don't intend to kill you or spread hate to companies or something like that), I want to ask you a few things personally, hope you reply.

Let me finish with one thing: we can't make everybody 100% satisfied, but let us try, god darn it

JMSA_PILOT 22nd Nov 2011 18:27

Hi!
Since my last message on this post I went to BAA did my type rating and you guys are still here.
I really enjoyed my time in BAA.
Is it cheap? Depends on the rating and type, but remember, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. But do you really want a monkey by your back on a FFS?
We were a group of 4 pilots for the type on the bus and did it well.
Can't say it was easy, we worked hard every single day, but at the end it turned out to be very good for us.
Sure not every thing is/was perfect, we found some gaps on the program, but it was related with their lack of know-how with the new sim. For example the paper-tiger... we didn't like, and we told them our opinion and they gave us the option to do the mock-up on the sim (without motion) when the sim was free so we can practice better, rather than being sited on a class room chair and doing the mock-up on the paper-tiger.
Sure the Hotel isn't a 5* hotel, but who cares?! Your not on leisure... I personally didn't dislike, and believe me I've been on a lot of 5* Hotels.
Baltic is growing fast and they still give personal attention to their client relation.
Not many TRTO's have their own SIM, BAA its not like Cockpit4U, GTA, RJ, SFC...that use the sim's from others...
But this is my opinion and my experience.
You can watch the videos from our interview on youtube and suit your self's.
Cheers!:ok:

LTPILOT 23rd Nov 2011 12:40

Just reinforcing what JMSA Pilot said,
I will not speak about my experience in Lithuania (country wise), hotels this and that or about what I did while I was there. (if you want to go to a 5* hotel, tell them they'll get it for you and it will be just has expensive has a 5* hotel anywhere in the world).
I stayed at a 3* hotel and it was cheap, clean and overall good, I didn't have a kitchen which was the thing that I wished several times I did, but I'll just talk about what matters.
Ive done my A320 TR at Baltic Aviation Academy recently, and basically I have no bad things to say about them. Sure there is space for some improvements, but where can you get anything that is perfect right away the first time you do it?
The mock-ups could've been virtual instead of the paper ones, we should've had more time to use them, but from another point of view great CBT's, Category D simulator, staff that really cares about you and your opinions (amazing staff, if you are reading this, THANK YOU AUSRA!!), good, proficient instructors in class has well has in the simulator, people that if you are willing to work and progress in your career, will give you tons of important information and tips (things that you can only learn with years of experience).
It was hard work, we had to study hard and do our part, but in the long run I am happy that I did it with Baltic.

Sirijus 23rd Nov 2011 13:15

---deleted this by a mistake

Sirijus 23rd Nov 2011 13:20

Dear Bedix, I don't know anything about you, I know of the guy you wrote had bad experience with us and SPA. If the guy is you - apologies to you. Well there still remains a chance I might have mixed somebody, but anyhow what difference does it make.

So, my apologies if I caused any emotions for anyone of you. If anybody has any questions - PM, but on this thread - I'm done.

Sayonara and good luck
:ok:

bedix84 23rd Nov 2011 13:26

:)
I don't know ---Sirijus , really, I'm not based myself just at words even from my collegues, ..you get wrong information! and even you think Am I what I'm not!
Last, I went in BAA and I can tell You how is!
and I took a chance to see also Kaunas and Lithuanian Girls and eat a Lithuanian pink soup!.....:O
I could repeat till the end that your price are too much expensive, I show you and to all the emails reporting the prices...and if you are finding some Trto more expansive than yours...please, put the names..I wanna see!
Most important, You asked me for the names, I don't like to do names, but be warned, if you are some manager, or director, that a lot of People mix flying with drinking!...JAA is JAA the same rule should be applied to BAA pilot airline staff.
I know that some can change hotel and use other mean of transportation...but you are not replying me correctly at what i said....
I said that according to you in these days of TR...the cost of accomodation is 700 euro...too much:eek::eek: for Lithuanian life style...
and is according the TR cost I think :p
This is my Opinion..this is what i saw !

French Pilot 23rd Nov 2011 19:04

Baltic Aviation Academy
 
Hello guys,

I am one of the 4th pilots who have maked the A320 Type Rating at Baltic Aviation Academy. I must admit that I am very satisfied with that.
For sure we don't have Miami beaches but it is very nice. I can say that at Balticaa, the personnel, instructors, employees, everyone are very nice and kind.
About the Training, as all Type Ratings, we had to study a lot but that's not a problem because we were here for that and we had all support and instructors help at any time.
The Mock-ups are not electronic but I think there are thinking in changing that, but all the information are there.
For those who are thinking in Type Ratings, I recomend Baltic Aviation Academy and about Acommodation, I recomend looking for renting a house(if you are more than 1) because in this way you can cook, the food is cheap, what is very nice .

Anyway Thank you BAA :D :ok:!

citationdos 23rd Nov 2011 19:15

French Pilot have you seen the movie "Love Story"?

The same feeling I felt right now when I read your post.

Your post demostrates that you are doing nothing in your home after you did your TR with them.

Can I ask you a secret question? Do you have double nick?

Guys, take care of this company.
When they have a lot of comercial in forums, it means that they are really bad.

bluesky-A320 23rd Nov 2011 22:21

22 000 Eur type rating :ugh:
6 000 Eur Line, conversion training :ugh:
8 000 Eur Base training :ugh:
24 000 Eur BH500 (that means 500 block hours, pay to fly) :ugh:

Total 60.000 EUR !!! :D You have got to be crazy to agree to this.

This is all stated in the e-mail from BAA.

Do the type rating some where else! (and FYI the A320 sim was at least last time I heard not approved from EASA).

15 000 EUR for Type rating and 6500 EUR for Base training is what you should be paying. That is if you should be paying for it at all.

Open your eyes people! :eek:

bedix84 24th Nov 2011 02:22

Hello Sirijus,
No problem for me, and i never worked for SPA (small planet airlines).
We are here to speak and put information and suggest the best!
So on, I'm on of the person that never bought a TR and I'll never pay yo fly( TO WORK)..said that...I really emotionated like CItadiondos...oh all this guys they fall in love with BAA:rolleyes:...ROMANTIC....:D:D..all new posters!!
I just wanna say that is not good to sell BULLSHIT to the new guys and make a big propaganda like You are doing with all this people!!!
I'm not confused between AviationCV and BAA (BALTIC AVIATION ACADEMY)...I'm talking about BAA ,Dariaus ir Girėno str. 21
LT-02189, Vilnius, Lithuania

As i said and I repeat again and again and as said from someone before, your PRICES ARE TO HIGH!!!
People i not gonna list here all the providers and Professionist TRTO..but the range of the price is really below BAA.
TR A320-B737 approx.12.500-15.000 plus BT(6t&go) 6.000-7.500.
compare:
Other TRTO: TR+BT= approx. 18.000 to max 20.000 Euro:ok:

and BAA: TR+BT= 20.500+ 8000= Tot. 28,500 Euro :confused::confused:

Cheers

Sirijus 24th Nov 2011 08:44

I promised to stay away, but I have to tell one thing before I go.

Please, people, do not mix Aviation CV and Balticaa.


22 000 Eur type rating :ugh:
6 000 Eur Line, conversion training :ugh:
8 000 Eur Base training :ugh:
24 000 Eur BH500 (that means 500 block hours, pay to fly) :ugh:

Total 60.000 EUR !!! :D You have got to be crazy to agree to this.
These are prices from AviationCV, they train their students with us, but offer more than papers and hours. For more information try [email protected] . Also discussion about them has started in another thread. And for BAA prices try [email protected]

See you:}

citationdos 25th Nov 2011 08:00

If you want professional people, don't contact them.

Never trust companies who only seek free publicity "by the face".

I contacted with 4 companies:
3 of them kindly gave me the information.
BAA just attacks me every day, every morning with an e-mail.
They are desperate.

bedix84 25th Nov 2011 16:03

:) Maybe they wanna and hope to recover asap the money spent for the A320 simulator installation.:ugh:

bedix84 1st Dec 2011 11:17

It's really a shame !!
I just got new and truly information from on eofe my friend..actually is a girl:p...working at BAA (office TOP Secret!)..that a lot of peoples sent the signed 60.000 Euro contract :confused::sad::sad: to AVIATIONCV.com and the program on A32o is fully booked till End of 2012:eek:.

Guys !!! you need more jugment!!

And to come back about the TR on 737 to be more precise..is 22.000 on 737 CL...!!!!! not even the latest 737-800 NG:ouch::ouch:

Stay far away!! and poor all this guys that are willing to pay 60.000 euro and stay for 6 years under this agency adn get, if is true, a salary of just 4000 euro just after the 5th year!!
It sucks
Don't have any word...:\

French Pilot 10th Jan 2012 14:49

Citationdos
 
Citationdos, let me say that you are funny! You say that I am doing nothing but I am not the one who are watching movies.
In second, let me ask you one question: Are you with any type Rating ou working at this moment?
To finish this conversation, don't talk about things that you don't know, just because you don't have nothing else to do.:ok:

citationdos 10th Jan 2012 16:03

Basically this company has got people who are not qualificated. They seem like yellow press.
Just give them your email and you will throw away your computer from the quantity of bullsh*t you will get from them.
One of the stupid questions: how many hours do you have?
When did you get your license?
I ask them why they were asking me that since I was only asking for the price, and they told me that the price depended on the answer of those 2 questions...

Rfortes 30th May 2012 17:10

Has anyone done a rating with this trto in the last 6 moths?
 
I would be interested to hear from anyone who has done a rating with this TRTO in the last 6 months.
Can you share your experience?

Thanks


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