ME & IR questions (inc. renewal)
 

Was just reading through 'Instrument Procedures' in my ATPL notes, and am looking at simultaneous operations on parallel runways. If my understanding is correct, there is no lateral separation provided for Independent Parallel Approaches.

Does this mean then, theoretically, that two aircraft could fly down their ILS's, directly abeam each other, same speeds and same heights (after the aircraft have passed the point where the 1000ft vertical separation is reduced), a mere 1035m laterally from each other - perhaps even closer if both deviate to the inner edges of their NOZ's!?

You could wave at the other passengers at that distance!

PT

NTZ width at least 610m from threshold out to a point where vert sep between a/c < 300m?

Eeek, even less than I thought. I suppose when you put it in context, its over double the vertical separation. Just seems like a v small lateral distance.

Usually simultaneous operations on parallel runways are used for take-off on say 24R and landing on say 24L and the scenario you outline would not exist..

Having said that.. in some locations, i.e Palma, they do allow Jet traffic to approach one Runway and the Egg-beaters/GA to overfly the ILS path and make VISUAL approaches onto the parallel runway.

I would stress that this only occurs in visual conditions as it is not unusual to get TCAS "traffic" alerts on the approach.

One might get a bit phased if bothe a/c had to initiate a missed approach at the same time!:ok:

Hmmm, as I understood it, the scenario is quite possible. As for the missed approaches, apparently the paths have to diverge away from each other by at least 15 degrees. Scary!

ME & IR Renewal
 

Does anyone know how long before your IR expires can you renew it and still get it to run for a year from the original expiry date? If it is in Lasors I can't seem to find it...

Thanks

Three months.

Why would you want to have it run from the original date?im asking this because mine is expired too,i think it is better to have it run from the new date,this way it lasts longer.i would like to ask also how long after the issue of the medical class one can someone renew his IR?Would it be ok to fly 3 years after the issue of medical,i believe the medical will still be valid for private flying or exam purposes.

Mine isn't expired, which is why I want it to run from the original date

Class I medical isn't required for an IR, only for the CPL

A Class I medical isn't required for a CPL - Class II is.

Why would you want it to go from the original date? If your 6 months hasn't yet expired you can still renew it quite easily, if you wait 6 months more, being a total of 1 year without renewing, than you have to re-take the test with an examiner.

Why not just go renew it and have it good for another 6 months rather than start from the original date?

FL050,

We were talking about the JAA rules here in UK (Europe) which require a Class 1 for CPL holders to carry out the privilages of their licence. A Class 2 Medical is required for PPL holders under JAA rules.

The easy way of thinking is Class 1 for all professional flying, Class 2 for all Private flying.

We do not have a Class 3 medical since JAA started and thus PPL's have to have at least a Class 2 medical. A class 2 is NOT sufficient to carry out privilages of a JAA CPL or ATP.

Under the FAA rules (which I presume you are talking about), one has three categories of medicals. Class 1 for ATPL privilages and this runs for 6 months from the date of the original medical, Class 2 for CPL privilages and this runs for 12 months from the original date of medical and Class 3 for PPL privilages which run from the date of original medical to 24 or 36 months depending on age of holder.

Hope this helps.

Ahh ok. I was thinking you were referring to that as well. Sorry.

Hmm
 

Right, back to the original question.

My IR expires in June 2006.

If I renew it in March 2006 will it run for 12 months from June or will it run for 12 months from date of renewal?

I know you can renew for instance a Class I medical before it expires, and it then runs for 12 months from the original date of expirey, so does the same apply to the IR?

FL050 - not sure what you are refering to with 'your six months...' but anyway, my IR is still valid so I don't need a retest...

Here's an idea, why not ring/email the CAA. Make them do some work for their hefty fees!
I know its a painful exercise but at least you will be getting it from the greedy horse's mouth.

If your IR expires on 1st June 2006, if you renew it on 2nd March (3 months prior to the renewal) it will now expire on 1st June 2007.

It is a bit like how the medical works, you can renew it before the expiry but it is renewed as if you had the exam on the day of expiry.

IR revalidation
 

The IR can be revalidated up to three months before the expiry date of the current one and the new rating will run from the expiry date of the old one. If the test is done before the old one lapses it is called a revalidation. If the IR has lapsed then the test is a renewal. In either case the retest can be done by any CAA approved IRE. The test format is identical. Incidentally, it is often the case that the ME Class Rating is also due to expire at the same time as the IR, possibly earlier depending on when exactly the ME Class Rating Skill Test was done. Since the majority of IR examiners are also Class rating examiners it can be cheaper to combine both tests in one flight. Obviously the flight will be a little longer than just the IRT, but it will certainly be shorter and cheaper than doing two flights.

Class one medicals last for 12 months if the holder is under 40 years of age and 6 months for geriatrics like me who are over 40. The type of licence (ATPL or CPL) is irrelevant in this respect. I am assuming here that the holder is exercising the privileges of his/her licence. The medical can be revalidated up to 45 days before the validity of the previous one expires and the validity will run from the expiry date of the old one.

Hope this helps

ATPL revaildation
 

I'm in the US with a JAR/CAA ATPL issued in Sep 2001 and with an expiry
this September. Does anyone know what is involved in renewing or revalidating this while in the US? I haven't flown in the UK since then and I would hate let it lapse. Suggestions?

Dude are you sure a valid medical is not required for the IR?Does that mean i can fly with an examiner for IR renewal without having my medical valid?

Euro champ, sorry I wan't clear, I meant a Class I medical isn't required to use an IR, i didn't mean to imply to that you don't need to have a medical to use it.

As it happens I know that technically a PPL skills test candidate does not have to have a valid medical as long as the examiner is happy, and makes sure that the student knows that even if he passes he cannot fly without a medical...

I've a feeling you probably could revaildate/renew your IR without a medical but don't quote me!

machonepointone, thanks for that.

IR renewal
 

Just did a jet type rating, does anyone know if that also counts for IR renewal?