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I'm new to these forums but have read extensivley the talk over Training schools and routes of modular versus integrated and I would like to offer my opinion.
It seems that all the schools information and promotion is soley undertaken by the schools themselves in disguise, trying to put others down and raise them selves.
This is also true with the modualr integrated route. It is obvious some are trying the promote the distance learning route. I really think this channel is no substitute for integrated training which is designed for the brighter and more able student. Surely its these people we want in aviation.
On a final note, as a former librarian and profficient at deciphering information I would advise people not to pay much attention.
Be perceptive, think impartiality
It seems that all the schools information and promotion is soley undertaken by the schools themselves in disguise, trying to put others down and raise them selves.
This is also true with the modualr integrated route. It is obvious some are trying the promote the distance learning route. I really think this channel is no substitute for integrated training which is designed for the brighter and more able student. Surely its these people we want in aviation.
On a final note, as a former librarian and profficient at deciphering information I would advise people not to pay much attention.
Be perceptive, think impartiality
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"the brighter and more able student"
Does anybody know of a way to stop my blood boiling and my head exploding with rage!
I don't have £60k so that makes me dimmer and less able to be a pilot does it!
The sheer arrogance of some integrated students takes my breath away sometimes.
If this is some kind of joke I appologise for falling for it but their really are people out there that think like this!!
Does anybody know of a way to stop my blood boiling and my head exploding with rage!
I don't have £60k so that makes me dimmer and less able to be a pilot does it!
The sheer arrogance of some integrated students takes my breath away sometimes.
If this is some kind of joke I appologise for falling for it but their really are people out there that think like this!!
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Colin,
You state that "all the schools information and promotion is soley undertaken by the schools themselves". Well, of course! I'm pretty sure if I go into my local Indian restaurant, they'll tell me they sell the best curry in the area, too! If I want a better idea of where to get the best curry, I have to visit every restaurant, look at the menu from each of them, and then make my own mind up. But of course comparing the menus might be a reasonable reflection of how good the food is, but it's certainly not perfect - which is why it would be even better to get a personal recommendation or two.
Then you go on to say: "It is obvious some are trying the promote the distance learning route". Once again, I suspect my local Indian restaurant would tell me that curry is far better than Chinese food. Now, even personal recommendations aren't going to be too much use, because many of my friends prefer Chinese to Indian food. Personally, I love a good curry, but I'm indifferent to Chinese food.
And finally, you advise me to "Be perceptive, think impartiality". So, on that note, do you mind if I ask what you do now that you're no longer a librarian? Because I'm sure I could be forgiven for guessing that maybe you work for a school which offers an integrated course?
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You state that "all the schools information and promotion is soley undertaken by the schools themselves". Well, of course! I'm pretty sure if I go into my local Indian restaurant, they'll tell me they sell the best curry in the area, too! If I want a better idea of where to get the best curry, I have to visit every restaurant, look at the menu from each of them, and then make my own mind up. But of course comparing the menus might be a reasonable reflection of how good the food is, but it's certainly not perfect - which is why it would be even better to get a personal recommendation or two.
Then you go on to say: "It is obvious some are trying the promote the distance learning route". Once again, I suspect my local Indian restaurant would tell me that curry is far better than Chinese food. Now, even personal recommendations aren't going to be too much use, because many of my friends prefer Chinese to Indian food. Personally, I love a good curry, but I'm indifferent to Chinese food.
And finally, you advise me to "Be perceptive, think impartiality". So, on that note, do you mind if I ask what you do now that you're no longer a librarian? Because I'm sure I could be forgiven for guessing that maybe you work for a school which offers an integrated course?
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Calm down guys, looking at Monkys post and his profile I suspect he is a windup trying to provoke you.
We all know ex-librarians would be too slow to command a fast moving jet anyway ...
We all know ex-librarians would be too slow to command a fast moving jet anyway ...
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Following FFF 's example, I would contend, that
Intergrated courses are like a sit-down meal in the Indian restaurant, whereas the Distance Learning course, is a takeaway from the same restaurant. Busy peolpe may only have the time for the takeaway, but if the restaurant's beancounters have got the costings right, then it should make a profit out of both services.
Colin Monkfish
I think that you will find that most of the larger FTOs offer BOTH intergrated AND modular courses.
As for intergrated courses only being for the "brighter & more able student" there are two schools of thought:-
You may be correct, OR
Anyone who can hold down the day job, while fitting in the study & flying on the modular course, may well be better motivated, better organised, & better at multi-tasking, than the student on the intergrated course, who has everything set out in a timetable, with instructors to ensure that he keeps up to date with all his studies.
As for unauthorised advertising, yes a lot of the posts are from people who work for FTOs. BUT, both the moderators & other Ppruners seem to spot such advertising pretty quickly. You will see that in the bottom right hand corner of each post is a button marked Report this post to a notify moderator . That allows Ppruners to draw attention to advertising.
Intergrated courses are like a sit-down meal in the Indian restaurant, whereas the Distance Learning course, is a takeaway from the same restaurant. Busy peolpe may only have the time for the takeaway, but if the restaurant's beancounters have got the costings right, then it should make a profit out of both services.
Colin Monkfish
I think that you will find that most of the larger FTOs offer BOTH intergrated AND modular courses.
As for intergrated courses only being for the "brighter & more able student" there are two schools of thought:-
You may be correct, OR
Anyone who can hold down the day job, while fitting in the study & flying on the modular course, may well be better motivated, better organised, & better at multi-tasking, than the student on the intergrated course, who has everything set out in a timetable, with instructors to ensure that he keeps up to date with all his studies.
As for unauthorised advertising, yes a lot of the posts are from people who work for FTOs. BUT, both the moderators & other Ppruners seem to spot such advertising pretty quickly. You will see that in the bottom right hand corner of each post is a button marked Report this post to a notify moderator . That allows Ppruners to draw attention to advertising.
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Yes Colins right, people that do integrated courses are generally more intelligent, additionally they are better looking, good in bed and able to crack the Rubiks cube in 3.5 minutes. Naturally such desirable people are guaranteed to get a job at the end of their training, but not a crappy turbo prop job, a proper flying job with one of the big majors. Such talent doesn't go un-rewarded and command is likley within 5 - 10 hours.
ps. some of this is not true, see if you can determine which
mjr
ps. some of this is not true, see if you can determine which
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I resent the implication that people may think this is a joke a wind up or whatever you would wish to call it. I am interested in aviation and feel that these forums are to be used constructively to provide honest information. If people don't value my opinion then I suppse thats fair enough.
I certainly don't work for a school and the only license I hold is for fishing. Probably too old to start a career in aviation anyway but I have a nephew who is interested and am trying to find the best info for him. Library life was too fraught I am now a data conservationalist.
I certainly don't work for a school and the only license I hold is for fishing. Probably too old to start a career in aviation anyway but I have a nephew who is interested and am trying to find the best info for him. Library life was too fraught I am now a data conservationalist.
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If people don't value your opinion it can only be because it HAS no value.
If this is a wind up then you should maybe go and do something a little more constructive with the (obviously) large amount of free time that you have.
If this isn't a wind up then you should talk to a few more people in the industry to understand why it has solicited a number of angry responses.
If this is a wind up then you should maybe go and do something a little more constructive with the (obviously) large amount of free time that you have.
If this isn't a wind up then you should talk to a few more people in the industry to understand why it has solicited a number of angry responses.
I resent the implication that people may think this is a joke a wind up or whatever you would wish to call it.
By the way, what's a conservationalist? Anything similar to a conservationist??
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Colin,
I don't believe anyone on this thread has expressed any preference of modular vs integrated courses, except you. In fact, both distaff and myself have explicitly said that both types of training have their own merits.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. And you are entitled to argue your opinion. But when it's an opinion which a lot of people disagree with (note - that doesn't mean we agree with the opposite opinion either) you'd better be able to argue your reasons. And you can't.
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I don't believe anyone on this thread has expressed any preference of modular vs integrated courses, except you. In fact, both distaff and myself have explicitly said that both types of training have their own merits.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. And you are entitled to argue your opinion. But when it's an opinion which a lot of people disagree with (note - that doesn't mean we agree with the opposite opinion either) you'd better be able to argue your reasons. And you can't.
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Hufty,
It's not someone who Installs conservatories, it's someone that has a lot of information about them. I've just asked my pal ' Paddy O'dors' he has a lot to do with them.
D.J.
It's not someone who Installs conservatories, it's someone that has a lot of information about them. I've just asked my pal ' Paddy O'dors' he has a lot to do with them.
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I am a modular student, but only as I am clearly retarded and not intelligent or skilled enough for an integrated course.
Fact is I have a PPL already and am most of the way to being eligible to begin the CPL course (exams passed) - no point in starting from scratch and spending £30k more than I need to! I would have found it much easier to do an integrated course, but I am successful at work so it would be a financial disaster to throw all that away - as is the case for a lot of people.
There is a wealth of information on these forums, so you should encourage your nephew to browse for himself.
Fact is I have a PPL already and am most of the way to being eligible to begin the CPL course (exams passed) - no point in starting from scratch and spending £30k more than I need to! I would have found it much easier to do an integrated course, but I am successful at work so it would be a financial disaster to throw all that away - as is the case for a lot of people.
There is a wealth of information on these forums, so you should encourage your nephew to browse for himself.
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Colin Monkfish
In the UK, all commercial flight training is carried out under the syllabus laid down by the Joint Aviation Authourity (JAA), and this is overseen by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA),
Regardless of whether students follow an intergrated course or a modular course, in the end they all have to pass exactly the same ground exams & flight tests. And, these are certainly not easy.
In your first post, you seem to imply that Flight Training Organisations (FTOs) and/or their students are at fault in pursuing modular courses, because YOU consider only intergrated courses, can produce pilots of the standard that YOU consider acceptable.
If this is so, may I suggest that you should be voiceing your views to the JAA and/or CAA,. They are the only authorities that can change the system, and outlaw modular training.....
......that is, of course, if they agree with your opinions.
In the UK, all commercial flight training is carried out under the syllabus laid down by the Joint Aviation Authourity (JAA), and this is overseen by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA),
Regardless of whether students follow an intergrated course or a modular course, in the end they all have to pass exactly the same ground exams & flight tests. And, these are certainly not easy.
In your first post, you seem to imply that Flight Training Organisations (FTOs) and/or their students are at fault in pursuing modular courses, because YOU consider only intergrated courses, can produce pilots of the standard that YOU consider acceptable.
If this is so, may I suggest that you should be voiceing your views to the JAA and/or CAA,. They are the only authorities that can change the system, and outlaw modular training.....
......that is, of course, if they agree with your opinions.
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While you are reeling us all in,
we all end up in the same boat, we share the same exam room and then become unemployed pilots, modular and intergrated together. so what the hell.
Shame that some narrow minded people think that us modular students are not very bright. guess we are the gugins of the river.
(sorry Im not bright enough to spell that fish I was just on about there)
Mint
we all end up in the same boat, we share the same exam room and then become unemployed pilots, modular and intergrated together. so what the hell.
Shame that some narrow minded people think that us modular students are not very bright. guess we are the gugins of the river.
(sorry Im not bright enough to spell that fish I was just on about there)
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Dear Colin Monkfish
Suggest that you join the professional fishermans rumour network as you opinion on integrated vs modular holds no truth, probably as you do just that, talk to the fish all day long, and come up with such C****P!
Please don't come on the forum and insult a lot of hard working,
determined individuals who maybe are not priviledged/have access to loads of £££££ or time or both.
Your theory has nothing to do with intelegence and ability.
Suggest that you join the professional fishermans rumour network as you opinion on integrated vs modular holds no truth, probably as you do just that, talk to the fish all day long, and come up with such C****P!
Please don't come on the forum and insult a lot of hard working,
determined individuals who maybe are not priviledged/have access to loads of £££££ or time or both.
Your theory has nothing to do with intelegence and ability.