Converting a Foreign IR - CAA update
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Converting a Foreign IR - CAA update
Hot of the press from the CAA:
With IMMEDIATE effect holders of an ICAO licence (Private or Professional) that includes an IR wishing to convert that licence and/or IR to a UK/JAR-FCL licence with IR will have to complete a full approved IR course and then pass the skill test.
Applicants who have already commenced a course of training (that includes IR training) will be permitted to continue training under the old rules (hours decided at the discretion of the training probiver) will be permitted to continue on that basis providing the school where s/he is training sends a letter to the CAA explaining so.
So if you're planning on going elsewhere to get a non-JAA IR and then convert to a JAA IR, it's time to rethink your plan.
More information is meant to be available on the CAA website but there's nothing up there at the moment.
With IMMEDIATE effect holders of an ICAO licence (Private or Professional) that includes an IR wishing to convert that licence and/or IR to a UK/JAR-FCL licence with IR will have to complete a full approved IR course and then pass the skill test.
Applicants who have already commenced a course of training (that includes IR training) will be permitted to continue training under the old rules (hours decided at the discretion of the training probiver) will be permitted to continue on that basis providing the school where s/he is training sends a letter to the CAA explaining so.
So if you're planning on going elsewhere to get a non-JAA IR and then convert to a JAA IR, it's time to rethink your plan.
More information is meant to be available on the CAA website but there's nothing up there at the moment.
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Thanks for that TooHotToFly.
That's my South Africa plans done in, then.
Why does the CAA feel the need to behave in such a bl**dy protectionist manner? Under the old rules everyone had to sit the same skills test!
To add to that, get your UK school IR bookings in as fast as you can, 'cos there's sure to be a backlog once this gets out.
[This message has been edited by foghorn (edited 02 February 2001).]
That's my South Africa plans done in, then.
Why does the CAA feel the need to behave in such a bl**dy protectionist manner? Under the old rules everyone had to sit the same skills test!
To add to that, get your UK school IR bookings in as fast as you can, 'cos there's sure to be a backlog once this gets out.
[This message has been edited by foghorn (edited 02 February 2001).]
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I would trust ToHotToFly, as he is correct. I guess that he has the same fax from the CAA like I have.
Tohottofly...which training establishment are you from? (If you are from one) Email me
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Tohottofly...which training establishment are you from? (If you are from one) Email me
Homer
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Duff, Duff, that Wonderful stuff. Ummmmm Doughnuts
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The information is available on the FCL website, in the Policy Update of 30/01/2001.
IR(A) or (H)
An applicant holding a PPL or CPL who meets the experience requirements
of JAR-FCL 1.190/2.190 shall undergo a full approved training course for
issue of the instrument rating as required by JAR-FCL Subpart E,
irrespective of whether the ICAO licence held included an IR granted by
the state of licence issue.
IR(A) or (H)
An applicant holding a PPL or CPL who meets the experience requirements
of JAR-FCL 1.190/2.190 shall undergo a full approved training course for
issue of the instrument rating as required by JAR-FCL Subpart E,
irrespective of whether the ICAO licence held included an IR granted by
the state of licence issue.
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This has scuppered my plans of doing FAA CPL/IR with a view to returning here to reduce costs!
I am also getting fed up with all these changes, having supposedly planned out my training for the next year. Now, like others I have to re-think and get more money together!!!
However, there is another way of looking at this. It may disuade foreign pilots from jumping into our system due to the extra costs involved??? Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-foreign, but it will disuade some of them and it will increase revenue for schools over here - a tactic already employed by some other countries within the JAA not too far away from our shores??? Maybe this ia a protectionists reaction to the way that other countries stop foreign pilots entering their system?
Can anyone see a hole in my thought pattern?
I'm glad this was posted, coz I was just about to leap, and fall flat on my face. Thanks to the originator!!!!!!
I am also getting fed up with all these changes, having supposedly planned out my training for the next year. Now, like others I have to re-think and get more money together!!!
However, there is another way of looking at this. It may disuade foreign pilots from jumping into our system due to the extra costs involved??? Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-foreign, but it will disuade some of them and it will increase revenue for schools over here - a tactic already employed by some other countries within the JAA not too far away from our shores??? Maybe this ia a protectionists reaction to the way that other countries stop foreign pilots entering their system?
Can anyone see a hole in my thought pattern?
I'm glad this was posted, coz I was just about to leap, and fall flat on my face. Thanks to the originator!!!!!!
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Who does the CAA actually represent?
Their remit is flight safety and all that that involves.
With rule changes of this nature that effect a number of 'wannabes',with no prior notice, that the UK CAA is quite definitely controlled by one or two very powerful lobby groups. With funding coming from our pockets they are not subject to the normal scrutiny that other government agencies are under to get funds , and can therefore operate completely outside the normal boundaries.
What are the chances of ever bringing the CAA to heel? A CAA that is actually accountable.
Has anyone ever tried a 'class action'suit against them or the government, who are ultimately responsible?
Just an idea.....
mad:mad
Their remit is flight safety and all that that involves.
With rule changes of this nature that effect a number of 'wannabes',with no prior notice, that the UK CAA is quite definitely controlled by one or two very powerful lobby groups. With funding coming from our pockets they are not subject to the normal scrutiny that other government agencies are under to get funds , and can therefore operate completely outside the normal boundaries.
What are the chances of ever bringing the CAA to heel? A CAA that is actually accountable.
Has anyone ever tried a 'class action'suit against them or the government, who are ultimately responsible?
Just an idea.....
mad:mad
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My guess is that the CAA and the FAA were in a meeting and it went something like this:
I'll give you an IR for an IMC rating.
Only if you'll give us a non JAA CPL for a JAA CPL.
No, we'll only give you a 10 hour credit.
In that case you don't get any recognition for a non JAA IR.
Or something along those lines.
I'll give you an IR for an IMC rating.
Only if you'll give us a non JAA CPL for a JAA CPL.
No, we'll only give you a 10 hour credit.
In that case you don't get any recognition for a non JAA IR.
Or something along those lines.
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This whole thing seems silly. Just doing the ground school, exams and flight tests to standards should be more than enough. The ironic thing is guys like myself or anyone else out there with a fair amount of real IFR time could be training with a guy with far less real experience. Candidate has 1000 hours of IFR time, instructor has 200. Who is teaching who? I mean learning the regulations, learning airspace requirements, learning procedures can be done outside an A/C or simulator. Experience is everything in this world. Just pass the damn ride. IFR is IFR, plain and simple. Anyone care to comment, give her a rip. Does anyone know if they will wave certain things with given experience on a case by case bases?? Cheers mates. In my mind it is a money grab by JAA schools with the assistance of the powers at be.
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Whilst I wasn't having a go at the CAA (perhaps I should have said JAA) I fail to see why there is so much emphasis placed on the number of hours training as opposed to the test. If you are good enough to pass the test, why should it matter how many hours it took you to get there. The CAA said that the reason for the increase in the IR was to stop people sitting a test when they weren't ready simply because they felt under pressure. I think it is a worse crime to make people train for 50 hours when they only need 20. The IR test is stringent enough that you won't pass unless you really are good enough so why keep making everyone do loads of hours.