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guys if you could just do a little thinking here;
EasyJet need sonething like 12 pilots per month from March nextt year growing by 25% per year. Work it out, they need cadets (24 leaves 120 more per year), direct entry with experience, Type rated (haven't been many of these about for a while), and the self sponsored type rating scheme people. they will not just recruit friom any area.
If you are too old just get on with it and do what the rest of us have done, if you can't afford it get another job or do something else. There is always going to be something in the way of your career, just deal with it and move on.
Might sound a little brutal but get used to it the industry is very competitive.
Good luck to those who apply, good luck to those who chose not to accept the deal and good luck to those who need to take another route.
EasyJet need sonething like 12 pilots per month from March nextt year growing by 25% per year. Work it out, they need cadets (24 leaves 120 more per year), direct entry with experience, Type rated (haven't been many of these about for a while), and the self sponsored type rating scheme people. they will not just recruit friom any area.
If you are too old just get on with it and do what the rest of us have done, if you can't afford it get another job or do something else. There is always going to be something in the way of your career, just deal with it and move on.
Might sound a little brutal but get used to it the industry is very competitive.
Good luck to those who apply, good luck to those who chose not to accept the deal and good luck to those who need to take another route.
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There is a significant difference: the RAF needs somewhere around 150 pilots into training each year, easyJet require 24 (in the cadet scheme)!
With the number of potential applicants for these 24 places, it's inevitable that arbitrary methods will be used to whittle down the numbers before CTC McAlpine's staff get buried under the weight of what will undoubtedly be hundreds of applications. The RAF limits applicants to under 24 - and at entry to training, not at application. It has occasionally raised this limit, but only when it felt it wasn't getting enough applicants within the original limitations. It also found that taking older applicants reduced the success rate through training significantly.
Don't forget also that easyJet are taking pilots through direct entry and the sponsored type rating scheme. There are opportunities for pilots at most stages of achievement and age.
Perhaps you'd like to give me more detail on your Hercules pilot story. I was on the aeroplane from 1980 until 1998, and I remember no-one having the aeroplane modified for their exclusive benefit! In fact, there were many pilots on the aircraft of equal or greater stature - who managed quite well on the standard equipment. Can you really expect the RAF to modify 120 pilots' seats (60 ac x 2 pilots) for one bloke? Try another one!
There is a significant difference: the RAF needs somewhere around 150 pilots into training each year, easyJet require 24 (in the cadet scheme)!
With the number of potential applicants for these 24 places, it's inevitable that arbitrary methods will be used to whittle down the numbers before CTC McAlpine's staff get buried under the weight of what will undoubtedly be hundreds of applications. The RAF limits applicants to under 24 - and at entry to training, not at application. It has occasionally raised this limit, but only when it felt it wasn't getting enough applicants within the original limitations. It also found that taking older applicants reduced the success rate through training significantly.
Don't forget also that easyJet are taking pilots through direct entry and the sponsored type rating scheme. There are opportunities for pilots at most stages of achievement and age.
Perhaps you'd like to give me more detail on your Hercules pilot story. I was on the aeroplane from 1980 until 1998, and I remember no-one having the aeroplane modified for their exclusive benefit! In fact, there were many pilots on the aircraft of equal or greater stature - who managed quite well on the standard equipment. Can you really expect the RAF to modify 120 pilots' seats (60 ac x 2 pilots) for one bloke? Try another one!
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800 qualified applications are expected. For 24 places.
It must be galling to find yourself on the wrong side of an age limit at 27. Just as galling at 28, 29, 30 or 55 I imagine. If a line has to be drawn then 26 is just as good a place as 25, 24, 27 or 28 really.
BA had 28 when I applied. Given that was the limit at the start of training the effective date was actuall 27 and a few months given the speed of their selection process at the time.
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It must be galling to find yourself on the wrong side of an age limit at 27. Just as galling at 28, 29, 30 or 55 I imagine. If a line has to be drawn then 26 is just as good a place as 25, 24, 27 or 28 really.
BA had 28 when I applied. Given that was the limit at the start of training the effective date was actuall 27 and a few months given the speed of their selection process at the time.
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WWW, yeah, but earlier in the thread you believed that 27 or 28 was more reasonable... and personally I'm on the wrong side at just 26 and a few weeks... which -- going back to my original simple point that I don't really think needed to be challenged so much -- is not so old that people have necessarily completed their education. That is why it is a questionable cut-off, and, since it is arbitrary, it's also questionable for it to be strictly applied down to the last day.
scroggs, yes I know there are other routes and we can all get there by one means or another. I don't want to keep going around in circles re strict cadet age limits, but, I would say multiple arbitrary criteria being used to give a score to initial applications, is a fair system, because that method gives an applicant's other virtues a chance to shine.
I obviously accept that employers can use whatever criteria they want to bring 800 people with grade 'C' A-levels down to the most favoured 24, but you can't be seriously asserting, as this isn't Cuba or Iraq, that those of us marginally outwith some initial arbitrary criteria have to unquestionably accept their strict imposition, or that those in charge aren't able to subtly or 'arbitrarily' adjust or relax them. I'll sure be keeping an eye out for any whining in future from the defenders of these tough regimes regarding their mandatory retirement ages or anything else!
Re: the Hercules -- well, was just telling it as I heard it! Maybe the seats didn't need actually modified, a likely exaggeration, but the thrust of the matter was that someone was too tall to even apply, but because he wanted specifically to fly transport aircraft, which had room for larger pilots, and was such a good egg otherwise, that they waived some arbitrary height restrictions in force at the time. I think he studied law at uni and went on to fly for Britannia if that helps you think of who it could be... I don't know a name...
scroggs, yes I know there are other routes and we can all get there by one means or another. I don't want to keep going around in circles re strict cadet age limits, but, I would say multiple arbitrary criteria being used to give a score to initial applications, is a fair system, because that method gives an applicant's other virtues a chance to shine.
I obviously accept that employers can use whatever criteria they want to bring 800 people with grade 'C' A-levels down to the most favoured 24, but you can't be seriously asserting, as this isn't Cuba or Iraq, that those of us marginally outwith some initial arbitrary criteria have to unquestionably accept their strict imposition, or that those in charge aren't able to subtly or 'arbitrarily' adjust or relax them. I'll sure be keeping an eye out for any whining in future from the defenders of these tough regimes regarding their mandatory retirement ages or anything else!
Re: the Hercules -- well, was just telling it as I heard it! Maybe the seats didn't need actually modified, a likely exaggeration, but the thrust of the matter was that someone was too tall to even apply, but because he wanted specifically to fly transport aircraft, which had room for larger pilots, and was such a good egg otherwise, that they waived some arbitrary height restrictions in force at the time. I think he studied law at uni and went on to fly for Britannia if that helps you think of who it could be... I don't know a name...
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I think you are just going to have to live with it and cast your net elsewhere. Cuba or not, I doubt that these criteria will be changed one way or the other without at least a year's experience of the scheme. And my bet would be that, if any change is contemplated, it would be to reduce the age limit, not increase it, for the same reasons that the RAF use a 24 age limit.
I think you are just going to have to live with it and cast your net elsewhere. Cuba or not, I doubt that these criteria will be changed one way or the other without at least a year's experience of the scheme. And my bet would be that, if any change is contemplated, it would be to reduce the age limit, not increase it, for the same reasons that the RAF use a 24 age limit.
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And now for something completely different...
Just to throw something a bit different into this debate:
Suppose you're successful with your application to the easyJet scheme, you've deposited your bond, you're out in NZ with the ATPL going nicely, and easyJet (or CTC) go bust. Then what?
I realise it's extremely unlikely, and probably much less likely to happen to easyJet than a whole host of other airlines, but it's not impossible. And, as I learnt from an off-the-record conversation with one of easyJet's cabin crew recently, if (yes, IF - not when) they did go bust, then it would happen very, very quickly.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on this forum re easyJet's scheme - it's bl***y invaluable getting the wheat separated from the chaff by 'people in the know'.....
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Suppose you're successful with your application to the easyJet scheme, you've deposited your bond, you're out in NZ with the ATPL going nicely, and easyJet (or CTC) go bust. Then what?
I realise it's extremely unlikely, and probably much less likely to happen to easyJet than a whole host of other airlines, but it's not impossible. And, as I learnt from an off-the-record conversation with one of easyJet's cabin crew recently, if (yes, IF - not when) they did go bust, then it would happen very, very quickly.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on this forum re easyJet's scheme - it's bl***y invaluable getting the wheat separated from the chaff by 'people in the know'.....
Jimbo
Well thats just a risk you have to live with. I'd be looking pretty miserable myself in the scenario you outline. But that hasn't stopped me getting a telephone number mortgage on the assumption Ezy aren't going bust...
You *might* be able to take out loan insurance on the whole thing. Its a financial instrumner already in existence but I have no idea whether anyone would cover this particular arrangement. I wouldn't bother paying for it myself but if you won't be able to sleep at night then perhaps you should talk to an IFA...
Good luck,
WWW
You *might* be able to take out loan insurance on the whole thing. Its a financial instrumner already in existence but I have no idea whether anyone would cover this particular arrangement. I wouldn't bother paying for it myself but if you won't be able to sleep at night then perhaps you should talk to an IFA...
Good luck,
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If you read Clive Hughs' book, every second page has in BIG BOLD letters.
DO NOT PAY UP FRONT!
Now, with any course you have to pay something up front, but I guess he means no more than a module/test at a time. All up front is not something I would be very comfortable with (i.e. I would not do it for all the tea in China).
One question though. Will your bond money with Easy be ESCROW'd? If so then probably not a problem.
DO NOT PAY UP FRONT!
Now, with any course you have to pay something up front, but I guess he means no more than a module/test at a time. All up front is not something I would be very comfortable with (i.e. I would not do it for all the tea in China).
One question though. Will your bond money with Easy be ESCROW'd? If so then probably not a problem.
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Guys, I emailed an application form to Easyjet a couple of months ago, got the standard reply back saying my application had been screened but my current level of experience (1350) hrs didn't meet the requirements.
Have any of you guys who were in the same position been re-contacted by Easyjet since the type rating sponsorship scheme.
I believe my current level of experience now meets EJs requirements and I am interested in the type rating scheme but have heard nothing from them.
Have any of you guys who were in the same position been re-contacted by Easyjet since the type rating sponsorship scheme.
I believe my current level of experience now meets EJs requirements and I am interested in the type rating scheme but have heard nothing from them.
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Apologies for me being so lazy it wasn't that I couldn't be botherd it was that I had no time to read through some of the childish, pathetic back and to from some people who have a BEE in there bonnet over age limits. I was also on my dinner hour.
Any way had time to look on the web sites I belive its two trips home from NZ and the training will be done in Aukland and southampton in the UK.
My other questions I couldn't find an answere as i suppose there is no answere so some advice would be grateful.
Cheers.
Also line training for six months do you think you can select your local area (liverpool) if not will you be supported with accomadation then.
Apologies for me being so lazy it wasn't that I couldn't be botherd it was that I had no time to read through some of the childish, pathetic back and to from some people who have a BEE in there bonnet over age limits. I was also on my dinner hour.
Any way had time to look on the web sites I belive its two trips home from NZ and the training will be done in Aukland and southampton in the UK.
My other questions I couldn't find an answere as i suppose there is no answere so some advice would be grateful.
Cheers.
Also line training for six months do you think you can select your local area (liverpool) if not will you be supported with accomadation then.
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Look carefully at the CTC-McAlpine website. You'll find that the bond is drawn down at 14 x 5 week intervals. Now I've been touting around the flights schools, and most of them ask for advance payment, which seems a little unreasonable to me. This seems much more reasonable from that point of view.
Jimbo
If your employer went bust, presumably as a type rated and experienced pilot you'd be first in line for whoever was expanding to take up the slack? As far as I can see, the beauty of this sponsorship arrangement is if your sponsor went bust during training, you'd just be back in CTC-McAlpine's pot. Sounds pretty safe to me.
Look carefully at the CTC-McAlpine website. You'll find that the bond is drawn down at 14 x 5 week intervals. Now I've been touting around the flights schools, and most of them ask for advance payment, which seems a little unreasonable to me. This seems much more reasonable from that point of view.
Jimbo
If your employer went bust, presumably as a type rated and experienced pilot you'd be first in line for whoever was expanding to take up the slack? As far as I can see, the beauty of this sponsorship arrangement is if your sponsor went bust during training, you'd just be back in CTC-McAlpine's pot. Sounds pretty safe to me.
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Sponsorship-you pay for it and define it as a sponsorship.
If one is paying for a type why the reduced salary, why the bond.
Maybe the working conditins are not as great and they fear that after 12 months you could go to Dragonair and start on £100K(NO BULL)A friend of mine is working for them.
They pay you back from your own money,hence the reduced salary.
If they put up the cost, by all means agree to all the terms and conditions.
I applied to them as well 6 months ago, still no answer1500hrsTT.
So why not contact the guys in the 500-1500 bracket, i am sure there would be lots in their database, too hard maybe let a 3rd party worry about the selection.
It just does not add up. Think carefully guys.
If one is paying for a type why the reduced salary, why the bond.
Maybe the working conditins are not as great and they fear that after 12 months you could go to Dragonair and start on £100K(NO BULL)A friend of mine is working for them.
They pay you back from your own money,hence the reduced salary.
If they put up the cost, by all means agree to all the terms and conditions.
I applied to them as well 6 months ago, still no answer1500hrsTT.
So why not contact the guys in the 500-1500 bracket, i am sure there would be lots in their database, too hard maybe let a 3rd party worry about the selection.
It just does not add up. Think carefully guys.
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I think it's very unlikely that you will be offered a choice of which base you carry out your line training from. I would imagine that all line training would be carried out from Luton, and that you would get a choice of base thereafter. Perhaps someone from easyJet could answer that, or you could e-mail CTC McAlpine with your question.
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Congratulations! That was one of the most illiterate posts I've ever read. Just out of the pub, were you!? And why the easyMoney advert?
I think it's very unlikely that you will be offered a choice of which base you carry out your line training from. I would imagine that all line training would be carried out from Luton, and that you would get a choice of base thereafter. Perhaps someone from easyJet could answer that, or you could e-mail CTC McAlpine with your question.
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Congratulations! That was one of the most illiterate posts I've ever read. Just out of the pub, were you!? And why the easyMoney advert?
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Generally line training is carried out at your home base but it would depend on availability of training captains so it would be poosible that you spend a few nights in a hotel. There are plenty of trainers at LPL so it is unlikely you would go anywhere else. I doubt easyJet would expect you be be based temporarily for line training at your own expense.
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Perhaps you'd better dry out a bit prior to your application
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Perhaps you'd better dry out a bit prior to your application
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I have been following this thread with great interest, just couldn't resist replying to Luke Skytoddler's earlier comments about my beloved country. "Once Were Warriors" was just a movie , it would be like me watching Eastenders and saying good grief lets not go to England if that's what its like. Hey Auckland is one of the best city's in the world.
I have been at Ardmore Airfield for a few years now, if you can't handle flying there, then you should rethink your dreams of being an international pilot.
All the best to you guys that apply and maybe we will see you down under sometime.
I have been at Ardmore Airfield for a few years now, if you can't handle flying there, then you should rethink your dreams of being an international pilot.
All the best to you guys that apply and maybe we will see you down under sometime.
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Hello
What happened to all those people who just wanted to fly for the sheer fun of it!!!! (Its all Money Money Money)
In this day and age you can no longer pick and choose your 'ideal' sponsorship with the perfect ending of fully funded, all expenses paid and a 'nice' pay packet every month.
I will agree that there are more cowboys than there are Indians out there and you really do have to check the small-print on the back of their shoes to make sure you won't be skinned alive with penalties, but has it really come down to "I want to fly but by god your going to have to pay me well before i get out of bed"!!!
I am still weighing up the options of going it alone or making a break for the RHS on a 'spnsorship of some sort', but im willing to give up lifes little luxuries for a while in the hope my office will be a little higher up than presently and doing the job that IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO.
I do see the arguments on both sides and personal commitments can make a huge difference as to whether you can survive on the type of salary they are quoting, but if i ever get my foot in the door of one of these, il will thank my lucky stars ......, Good Luck to all those intending to try the various ones on offer , and remeber NO ONE WILL EVER GIVE YOU ANYTHING FOR FREE!!!!
What happened to all those people who just wanted to fly for the sheer fun of it!!!! (Its all Money Money Money)
In this day and age you can no longer pick and choose your 'ideal' sponsorship with the perfect ending of fully funded, all expenses paid and a 'nice' pay packet every month.
I will agree that there are more cowboys than there are Indians out there and you really do have to check the small-print on the back of their shoes to make sure you won't be skinned alive with penalties, but has it really come down to "I want to fly but by god your going to have to pay me well before i get out of bed"!!!
I am still weighing up the options of going it alone or making a break for the RHS on a 'spnsorship of some sort', but im willing to give up lifes little luxuries for a while in the hope my office will be a little higher up than presently and doing the job that IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO.
I do see the arguments on both sides and personal commitments can make a huge difference as to whether you can survive on the type of salary they are quoting, but if i ever get my foot in the door of one of these, il will thank my lucky stars ......, Good Luck to all those intending to try the various ones on offer , and remeber NO ONE WILL EVER GIVE YOU ANYTHING FOR FREE!!!!
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Hey tonyblair,
Yup I know where you are comming from. Just thinking that if they consider it a loan then you would wind up as a debtor in such a case. I think I am stretching the argument a bit far here I know 
But until you see the small print 
It is one hell of a lot of wonga! 
Cheers,
Kef.
As far as I can see, the beauty of this sponsorship arrangement is if your sponsor went bust during training, you'd just be back in CTC-McAlpine's pot. Sounds pretty safe to me.
But until you see the small print It is one hell of a lot of wonga! Cheers,
Kef.
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African Dude,
Thanx for the moral support, sometimes i wonder if i became disillusioned with it all, especially reading some of the threads on this!!, However if you go into any selction proceedure with some of the attitudes i read, its not a good start.
Ive no doubt if i get through far enough to find out the full story, that i will have to read in between the lines not just the black and white but put it this way even if there is a risk involved what am i doing at the moment??
Scrimping and saving like a nutter and trying to get some bank mangager with any sort of intertest in aviation to give me the money, so even if i do go off and do it myself, i see myself in pretty mych the same risk as going for this scholarship .
May the best Woman/Man with the REAL ambition WIN!!!!!!
Thanx for the moral support, sometimes i wonder if i became disillusioned with it all, especially reading some of the threads on this!!, However if you go into any selction proceedure with some of the attitudes i read, its not a good start.
Ive no doubt if i get through far enough to find out the full story, that i will have to read in between the lines not just the black and white but put it this way even if there is a risk involved what am i doing at the moment??
Scrimping and saving like a nutter and trying to get some bank mangager with any sort of intertest in aviation to give me the money, so even if i do go off and do it myself, i see myself in pretty mych the same risk as going for this scholarship .
May the best Woman/Man with the REAL ambition WIN!!!!!!