Its nearly time!
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Hi again Paul,
Try and understand where some of these guys are comming from. A lot of people here have done the training, built a lot of hours and have experience and degrees from another line of work. However they are still looking for their first jobs. They are just looking out for you, and all of us who are working towards a career as an airline pilot. I took a bit of time to gather some quotes from all of the posts telling you to be carefull:
redsnail
"I would respectfully suggest that you take a really long hard look at the industry before..."
RAY BAN
"I am sorry if you don't like what I have written above but sometomes it needs to be said!
Good luck!
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buzzc152
"However, the most important thing to remember is never give up on your dreams. Just plan it out carefully."
STANDTO
"Your choice, your move and I hope it pays off."
sqwauk
"I'm sure everyone here is only trying to help but it may seem like they're having a go at you for being full of confidence.......Just give yourself a back up just for security if not piece of mind!
18 IS VERY VERY YOUNG. It will happen, keep BELIEVING!!"
Long Final
"Just a young man with a great yearning and a desire"
You see, all of the guys wish you all the best with your career, just giving you friendly advice. Like I said in my last post, I began training when I was 18. I am now 19 and half way there. I know its a gamble, but like I said to you, if your going to be sitting in a lecture room thinking that you could be flying, by all means go for it. I think you should, but like some of the guys said, make sure you have a good back up plan. And listen carefully to what OBK! said in his last post. Everyone here wishes everyone the best.
Cheers
BYB
Try and understand where some of these guys are comming from. A lot of people here have done the training, built a lot of hours and have experience and degrees from another line of work. However they are still looking for their first jobs. They are just looking out for you, and all of us who are working towards a career as an airline pilot. I took a bit of time to gather some quotes from all of the posts telling you to be carefull:
redsnail
"I would respectfully suggest that you take a really long hard look at the industry before..."
RAY BAN
"I am sorry if you don't like what I have written above but sometomes it needs to be said!
Good luck!
" buzzc152
"However, the most important thing to remember is never give up on your dreams. Just plan it out carefully."
STANDTO
"Your choice, your move and I hope it pays off."
sqwauk
"I'm sure everyone here is only trying to help but it may seem like they're having a go at you for being full of confidence.......Just give yourself a back up just for security if not piece of mind!
18 IS VERY VERY YOUNG. It will happen, keep BELIEVING!!"
Long Final
"Just a young man with a great yearning and a desire"
You see, all of the guys wish you all the best with your career, just giving you friendly advice. Like I said in my last post, I began training when I was 18. I am now 19 and half way there. I know its a gamble, but like I said to you, if your going to be sitting in a lecture room thinking that you could be flying, by all means go for it. I think you should, but like some of the guys said, make sure you have a good back up plan. And listen carefully to what OBK! said in his last post. Everyone here wishes everyone the best.
Cheers
BYB
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good luck p.savage
Hey there
just wanted to say good luck with your studies...
its a long hard road but as long as you have the determination
it is worth it in the end....never give up...sure the industry is down right now...but i can already see an up turn here in the US and Europe will surely follow....
One point for you.......sod the begrudgers.....
if you are ready do it now....
you will always encounter back stabbers in this industry....but then again you find them in all industries...you just have to harden yourself against them and remember in yrs to come
if you come across some kid looking for a start...then try and help them along the aviation road
so long
just wanted to say good luck with your studies...
its a long hard road but as long as you have the determination
it is worth it in the end....never give up...sure the industry is down right now...but i can already see an up turn here in the US and Europe will surely follow....
One point for you.......sod the begrudgers.....
if you are ready do it now....
you will always encounter back stabbers in this industry....but then again you find them in all industries...you just have to harden yourself against them and remember in yrs to come
if you come across some kid looking for a start...then try and help them along the aviation road
so long
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Stargazer,
All but one of the posts on this thread have been positive. There are no "begruders" or "backstabbers" replying here, just folks offerring advice. I am not far ahead from where Paul is and not much older, but respect what these guys are saying and where they are comming from. Like I said before, loads of these guys have done the training, got degrees on top of that in other areas but are still looking for a job flying. They just know exactly where the industry is at, being on the job hunt themselves.
The UK is a very different aviation environment than the US. You could almost count on one hand the amount of corporate aircraft companies (bit of a dramatisation but you see where Im comming from). There are a lot less flying schools. The majority of jobs come from airline work. You must also have a reasonable amount of flying experience (about 1000 hours) in order to get an air taxi job. Jobs are really few and far between and with so many pilots floating around without jobs, the guys posting are just talking from experience.
Stargazer, please just read some of the posts properly and also view their positive comments. They all mean well.
Cheers
BYB
All but one of the posts on this thread have been positive. There are no "begruders" or "backstabbers" replying here, just folks offerring advice. I am not far ahead from where Paul is and not much older, but respect what these guys are saying and where they are comming from. Like I said before, loads of these guys have done the training, got degrees on top of that in other areas but are still looking for a job flying. They just know exactly where the industry is at, being on the job hunt themselves.
The UK is a very different aviation environment than the US. You could almost count on one hand the amount of corporate aircraft companies (bit of a dramatisation but you see where Im comming from). There are a lot less flying schools. The majority of jobs come from airline work. You must also have a reasonable amount of flying experience (about 1000 hours) in order to get an air taxi job. Jobs are really few and far between and with so many pilots floating around without jobs, the guys posting are just talking from experience.
Stargazer, please just read some of the posts properly and also view their positive comments. They all mean well.
Cheers
BYB
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I have seen a few references to Easy recruiting low hours pilots, but I dont see any actual evidence of it anywhere, including their own website.
Modular is a good way forward because at least you can pace your training to match the industry up to a point.
Good lucj
Modular is a good way forward because at least you can pace your training to match the industry up to a point.
Good lucj
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Stargazer02,
As was said previously, there are no real "backstabbers" or "begrudgers" on this thread. Virtually all are helpful replies borne of experience from training. There are many pitfalls that can catch the unwary and the sales pitch from the big flying schools is one of the first. I went into flight training in my late twenties, with a degree and a few years of professional employment behind me. Was I a little naive? Did I make mistakes? Hell yes! But I live and learn and try to tell others as well. Do I regret becoming a pilot? NEVER!
Finally, If you think I am one of the so called "backstabbers" or "begrudgers" in the industry then I can guarantee you, that if the time comes you will be looking in the wrong direction!
As was said previously, there are no real "backstabbers" or "begrudgers" on this thread. Virtually all are helpful replies borne of experience from training. There are many pitfalls that can catch the unwary and the sales pitch from the big flying schools is one of the first. I went into flight training in my late twenties, with a degree and a few years of professional employment behind me. Was I a little naive? Did I make mistakes? Hell yes! But I live and learn and try to tell others as well. Do I regret becoming a pilot? NEVER!
Finally, If you think I am one of the so called "backstabbers" or "begrudgers" in the industry then I can guarantee you, that if the time comes you will be looking in the wrong direction!
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may i suggest that it is YOU that read my reply correctly
I never suggested that the back stabbers or begrudgers were posting replies....i was merely pointing out that one will find these people further down the line and that the fellow should do what he thinks is right.
Also i have friends in Europe who are also on FATPLs and looking for jobs and i know exactly what the situation is for Air taxis and the corporate world in Europe...
i was merely point out to psavage that there is more that one route to becoming an airline pilot and to make up his own mind and not be swayed by that someone says is THE way to go....
my post says in the "aviation industry" you meet backstabbers
and you do take it from me being in aviation and having met them that you need to watch your back and do what you wish
since you are all only FATPL's and take advice from those who are flying.....well take my advice and always follow your instincts.
Ray Ban
doubt we will ever meet but from your thread i would have thought you to be a begrudger rather than a backstabber....
you 2 say that you respect the advice from those in the industry but since you don't take mine ......well that's a bit of a hypocritical stand right......hmmmmm
Finally i don't think i am telling the lad not to fly....i'm just standing up for him and telling him to go for it.....
i think you 2 have got the total wrong end of the stick!!!!
may i suggest that it is YOU that read my reply correctly
I never suggested that the back stabbers or begrudgers were posting replies....i was merely pointing out that one will find these people further down the line and that the fellow should do what he thinks is right.
Also i have friends in Europe who are also on FATPLs and looking for jobs and i know exactly what the situation is for Air taxis and the corporate world in Europe...
i was merely point out to psavage that there is more that one route to becoming an airline pilot and to make up his own mind and not be swayed by that someone says is THE way to go....
my post says in the "aviation industry" you meet backstabbers
and you do take it from me being in aviation and having met them that you need to watch your back and do what you wish
since you are all only FATPL's and take advice from those who are flying.....well take my advice and always follow your instincts.
Ray Ban
doubt we will ever meet but from your thread i would have thought you to be a begrudger rather than a backstabber....
you 2 say that you respect the advice from those in the industry but since you don't take mine ......well that's a bit of a hypocritical stand right......hmmmmm
Finally i don't think i am telling the lad not to fly....i'm just standing up for him and telling him to go for it.....
i think you 2 have got the total wrong end of the stick!!!!
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Paul,
I am in a similar situation to you and not much older (22). I too was all set for the RAF, got a scholarship under my belt, but then grew too much.
All ready for the airlines then Sept 11th. It happens, but like they say, you do need something to fall back on. I am working in the city and finishing my PPL next year. Then onwards and upwards.
Have you had any lessons at all? If not get some. Also, get your Class 1 as without it you are pissing into the wind.
Listen to what these guys say, it makes sense. If you have got a dream follow it and I wish you luck, but take any free advice you can get. Whether you listen or not is up to you.
All the best
I am in a similar situation to you and not much older (22). I too was all set for the RAF, got a scholarship under my belt, but then grew too much.
All ready for the airlines then Sept 11th. It happens, but like they say, you do need something to fall back on. I am working in the city and finishing my PPL next year. Then onwards and upwards.
Have you had any lessons at all? If not get some. Also, get your Class 1 as without it you are pissing into the wind.
Listen to what these guys say, it makes sense. If you have got a dream follow it and I wish you luck, but take any free advice you can get. Whether you listen or not is up to you.
All the best
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Stargazer,
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick. It was possibly just the placement of your post made me assume that you were talking about some of the guys posting here.
You are right, the industry is full of backstabbers and you give good advice to us all. I am not hypocritical about your post, by reading over it again the advice you give us is good, but at the time and after Paul's post a few posts back, it sounded like you were narrowing in on a few of us who were just trying to help. Sorry about that.
Cheers
BYB
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick. It was possibly just the placement of your post made me assume that you were talking about some of the guys posting here.
You are right, the industry is full of backstabbers and you give good advice to us all. I am not hypocritical about your post, by reading over it again the advice you give us is good, but at the time and after Paul's post a few posts back, it sounded like you were narrowing in on a few of us who were just trying to help. Sorry about that.
Cheers
BYB
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Are you for real stargazer02? You don't know me from Adam so do me a favour and don't label me! This is the last post from me on this thread so if you want to have the final word then that's fine by me as I have better things to do!!
C ya.
C ya.
