BA to never run a sponsorship again ?
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I just wonder where the ABTN reporter got the info from, if BA were to permanently scrap the sponsored scheme then I would imagine that they would update their website?!
Time will tell, but I still believe this may not be the full and complete story, hey how many times have journalists actually reported the whole truth and nothing but...........
Sloany
Time will tell, but I still believe this may not be the full and complete story, hey how many times have journalists actually reported the whole truth and nothing but...........
Sloany
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Sloany they are not journalist in the sense of selling newspapers.
The vast majority of their information comes from Airlines, new routes, hiring, new aircraft, airport statistics etc.
As said before in reality it doesn't matter BA will make their mind up/have made thier mind up and we as wannabes cannot change it. The purpose of posting it was in response to many BA will start sponsoring again in 2003.
This isn't scare mongering journalism, their information is provided as factual, and the comment section is from contacts. Having read the article a few times, it is saying this is a real possibility.
What it does say to me in the present, and close future is that BA will not be sponsoring pilots.
Time will tell.
Sagey
The vast majority of their information comes from Airlines, new routes, hiring, new aircraft, airport statistics etc.
As said before in reality it doesn't matter BA will make their mind up/have made thier mind up and we as wannabes cannot change it. The purpose of posting it was in response to many BA will start sponsoring again in 2003.
This isn't scare mongering journalism, their information is provided as factual, and the comment section is from contacts. Having read the article a few times, it is saying this is a real possibility.
What it does say to me in the present, and close future is that BA will not be sponsoring pilots.
Time will tell.
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I think it's still far to early to say what the long-term future for the BA TEP scheme is, though I'm certain that it is the subject of much discussion within the appropriate corridors. There will be those who see the short-term financial benefit of losing a significant annual expense when pilots are easy to come by, and there'll be those advocating retaining the scheme for those years to come when it'll be less easy to get people. Who's gonna win? Who knows! All I'd say is I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the scheme to return....
WWW, I have a set of A320 CBT disks if you need them - though you'll get them from Airbus if you go on the course. They do help you sleep even more effectively than the Boeing manual!
WWW, I have a set of A320 CBT disks if you need them - though you'll get them from Airbus if you go on the course. They do help you sleep even more effectively than the Boeing manual!
The situation changes once again.
Having spoken to friends in the know BA are laying plans for future Cadet training with some major FTO's. So they might well be planning to resume the TEP scheme after all.
Its certainly interesting times.
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ps Scroggs, they sound horrid but I may as well get ahead of the game...
How are you finding the move from clockwork Boeing old school to the shiny new world of Airbus automation? You should post a thread - it would be an interesting diversion for Wannabes consumed with staving off bank managers...!
Having spoken to friends in the know BA are laying plans for future Cadet training with some major FTO's. So they might well be planning to resume the TEP scheme after all.
Its certainly interesting times.
WWW
ps Scroggs, they sound horrid but I may as well get ahead of the game...
How are you finding the move from clockwork Boeing old school to the shiny new world of Airbus automation? You should post a thread - it would be an interesting diversion for Wannabes consumed with staving off bank managers...!
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I think it unlikely that the old sponsorhip will return in its current guise. Having, said that I supsect BA will keep an open mind on the TEP scheme. If it did start up again I wouldn't expect it to be for sometime yet-especially when there is a vast backlog of cadets still in the system.
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I think all Self sponsored pilots’ will go to heaven,
and this will level the field a bit. And thinking that jumping through the sponsorship hoops means you have talent is just plain wrong.
And seeing as these days, the RAF consists of a few Knackered Jags, a Tornado and a squadron goat! You’ll not see the amount of good quality Brilcream boys (God bless em!) we saw at the end of the cold war being de-mobbed.
So I say Good! we'll all have to just learn to work for a living if we want to be fly-boys / girls and when we get there we'll be paid better and be better for it.
and this will level the field a bit. And thinking that jumping through the sponsorship hoops means you have talent is just plain wrong.And seeing as these days, the RAF consists of a few Knackered Jags, a Tornado and a squadron goat! You’ll not see the amount of good quality Brilcream boys (God bless em!) we saw at the end of the cold war being de-mobbed.
So I say Good! we'll all have to just learn to work for a living if we want to be fly-boys / girls and when we get there we'll be paid better and be better for it.
Very true that this time there is not going to be an exoduc of military pilots. The armed forces are smaller now, shooooould have better retention given recent measures and anyway - they are desperately short on the front lines as it is.
During the early to mid 90's there were significant numbers of people leaving Anti Bettys flying club for the airlines. That ain't going to happen this time.
However, and there usually is one unfortunately, this time around we have JAR land.
Sabena went bust. Within weeks dozens and dozens and dozens of Belgian pilots were having interviews at UK airlines which were pretty much the only ones hiring at the time. Fair enough, a body of better trained and experienced pilots you would struggle to find. But it proves a useful illustration to how things have changed now we all have the same licenses and the right to live and work in each others countries.
If one looks at some of the large national airlines in Europe then you might decide they are grossly overstaffed and that consolodation and efficiency drives are inevitable.
One could therefore argue that last times pool of ex-mil pilots has simply been replaced by a pool of Continental pilots. A big pool.
Which is a bit of a downer if you are a Brit Wannabe struggling to get a first job.
As a final twist it could backfire on the airlines as foreign pilots might well return to their home country the minute the industry there recovers. So just as things really start picking up again in the UK market a whole chunk of experienced Left Hand Seats wave cheerio. Crunch time.
Who knows!
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During the early to mid 90's there were significant numbers of people leaving Anti Bettys flying club for the airlines. That ain't going to happen this time.
However, and there usually is one unfortunately, this time around we have JAR land.
Sabena went bust. Within weeks dozens and dozens and dozens of Belgian pilots were having interviews at UK airlines which were pretty much the only ones hiring at the time. Fair enough, a body of better trained and experienced pilots you would struggle to find. But it proves a useful illustration to how things have changed now we all have the same licenses and the right to live and work in each others countries.
If one looks at some of the large national airlines in Europe then you might decide they are grossly overstaffed and that consolodation and efficiency drives are inevitable.
One could therefore argue that last times pool of ex-mil pilots has simply been replaced by a pool of Continental pilots. A big pool.
Which is a bit of a downer if you are a Brit Wannabe struggling to get a first job.
As a final twist it could backfire on the airlines as foreign pilots might well return to their home country the minute the industry there recovers. So just as things really start picking up again in the UK market a whole chunk of experienced Left Hand Seats wave cheerio. Crunch time.
Who knows!
WWW
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WWW says:
This has bothered me as well. We have heard much over the years on pprune about the overseas pilots coming to the UK to fly, and I don't want to start one of those heated 'taking our jobs' discussions again, but this is the first time I've seen this particular implication of UK airlines keeness to hire foreign pilots mentioned. Surely hiring those pilots, who will be disposed to return to their home countries as soon as their local economies recover, simply creates a shortage of pilots in the future at higher experience levels that local pilots can't fill because their own career development was effectively blocked by the airlines hiring overseas pilots in the first place? Do the airlines think that this will not be a problem, or are they simply being short-termist?
(sorry a bit off-topic)
As a final twist it could backfire on the airlines as foreign pilots might well return to their home country the minute the industry there recovers. So just as things really start picking up again in the UK market a whole chunk of experienced Left Hand Seats wave cheerio. Crunch time.
(sorry a bit off-topic)
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The Welsh chap has a very good point , This was predicted by Clive Hughes (the Guy who writes the 'how to become a CPL for 3 'n' 6 pence book) some years ago.
The trouble is that (as with everything to do with Euroland) it's a one way street,... and it ain't running our way!, You try getting a job with Air Euro...whatever, without being a 'Local' (a Local shop for Local people!)
But as he says they soon be off as soon as they'll be moaning about the food, house prices and weather.
The trouble is that (as with everything to do with Euroland) it's a one way street,... and it ain't running our way!, You try getting a job with Air Euro...whatever, without being a 'Local' (a Local shop for Local people!)
But as he says they soon be off as soon as they'll be moaning about the food, house prices and weather.
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In my experience of U.K. airlines foghorn , most policy seems angled at achieving a ' quick fix ' & hence only a short term solution .
The Americans have an interesting approach to foreign pilot hiring at the moment - you have to be a U.S. citizen in order to even train on any type with a mtow >12,500lbs . Not that I'm suggesting that we draw parallels between the U.S. & E.U. but on a national level , it will be interesting to see what effect ( if any ) this policy has on future demand for pilots in the U.S.A. notwithstanding the significantly greater number of ex-military in the marketplace .
The Americans have an interesting approach to foreign pilot hiring at the moment - you have to be a U.S. citizen in order to even train on any type with a mtow >12,500lbs . Not that I'm suggesting that we draw parallels between the U.S. & E.U. but on a national level , it will be interesting to see what effect ( if any ) this policy has on future demand for pilots in the U.S.A. notwithstanding the significantly greater number of ex-military in the marketplace .
Another aspect is that currently the contracting work is very poor. The UK has a dissproportionate number of pilots who work as freelance contractors around the world. Right now the money is rubbish and contracts scarce so a lot of them can be found in regular airlines - often low cost ones as they have been doing all the hiring.
In a couple of years time as the cycle swings back and the FTSE is bursting through 10,000 points you can bet your bottom dollar these chaps will be off to the Far East or wherever to go back to their $10,000 a month offshore flying heavy metal.
I don't want to get carried away and predict the mythical "pilot shortage" that makes so many of us groan out loud whenever its uttered. However, whilst history teaches us lessons, everytime the cycle comes around there are differences.
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In a couple of years time as the cycle swings back and the FTSE is bursting through 10,000 points you can bet your bottom dollar these chaps will be off to the Far East or wherever to go back to their $10,000 a month offshore flying heavy metal.
I don't want to get carried away and predict the mythical "pilot shortage" that makes so many of us groan out loud whenever its uttered. However, whilst history teaches us lessons, everytime the cycle comes around there are differences.
WWW
