Crp-5
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Enough to mean you really have to had mastered it.
I balls'd up Gen Nav first time largely through being blasé about the amount of practice necessary reach the required standard of speed and accuracy.
Don't worry, it's not difficult though.
I balls'd up Gen Nav first time largely through being blasé about the amount of practice necessary reach the required standard of speed and accuracy.
Don't worry, it's not difficult though.
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From: oxford
Approximately 25% of the Gen Nav ATPL exam is CRP5!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I mean that quite sincerely, folks.
There is no way you can hope to pass Gen Nav unless you are really slick and good with the CRP5.
Don't take the view that "near enough will be good enough". It WON'T!!!
You may think that I'm being a bit demonstrative. I'm not. This is a carefully considered and serious post.
Get good at it and you'll pick up 25% of the marks in 25% of the questions. This means that you only have to pick up 2/3 of the marks on the remaining questions.
Too many students don't really believe this. Not surprisingly, they fail.
Gin Slinger speaks the truth. Rodger the Cabin Boy, the answer is "about 25%".
Yes, I mean that quite sincerely, folks.
There is no way you can hope to pass Gen Nav unless you are really slick and good with the CRP5.
Don't take the view that "near enough will be good enough". It WON'T!!!
You may think that I'm being a bit demonstrative. I'm not. This is a carefully considered and serious post.
Get good at it and you'll pick up 25% of the marks in 25% of the questions. This means that you only have to pick up 2/3 of the marks on the remaining questions.
Too many students don't really believe this. Not surprisingly, they fail.
Gin Slinger speaks the truth. Rodger the Cabin Boy, the answer is "about 25%".
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From: No Fixed Abode
They're right.
I sat Gen Nav last week and it was about that figure on pure CRP work. Then there's the questions when the use of CRP is needed.
Some of the dedicated questions are soooo tight on the possible answers. Get the rotating windows nice and smooth so you.re not fiddling backwards and forwards trying to adjust by one degree.
I sat Gen Nav last week and it was about that figure on pure CRP work. Then there's the questions when the use of CRP is needed.
Some of the dedicated questions are soooo tight on the possible answers. Get the rotating windows nice and smooth so you.re not fiddling backwards and forwards trying to adjust by one degree.
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From: Behind You
They Crappy-5 isn't that dificult to master honest. I found it's something that's best self taught in the arm chair, wizz wheel in one had, manual in the other and a cold beer close by.
For what it's worth, in my opinion as far as the wind graph side goes, lose the wind arm (snap it off it just wastes time) and use the wind up technique for WCA, never failed for me.
For what it's worth, in my opinion as far as the wind graph side goes, lose the wind arm (snap it off it just wastes time) and use the wind up technique for WCA, never failed for me.
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From: Red Feather Club
Tinker, are you sure you really intended to snap off the wind arm on your crap 5 and wasnt in a ring pulling frenzie with all those beers! (incidently mine aint got a wind arm, but does have cursor arm, dont want the poor chap going really nuts and pulling off the drift lines!)
No wonder you use "the wind up meathod", just dont be down wind when Tinkers about.
Good Luck cabin boy, I am sure I cant add anything constructive as its been a while since I did my exams and a little thing called JARS got in the way, but from memory oxford blue has got about the percentage right.
Look at this way, if you cant drive a crap 5 do you seriously think that you will have a hope in passing the exams anyway.
Its not difficult honest and it does make you think about sensible units instead of just blindly copying an answer from some electronic gizmo, a skill that comes in real use when you are up there in the blue....incidently I still carry mine at all times in my flight bag, gives me something to do on those long boring 1 hr sectors!
No wonder you use "the wind up meathod", just dont be down wind when Tinkers about.
Good Luck cabin boy, I am sure I cant add anything constructive as its been a while since I did my exams and a little thing called JARS got in the way, but from memory oxford blue has got about the percentage right.
Look at this way, if you cant drive a crap 5 do you seriously think that you will have a hope in passing the exams anyway.
Its not difficult honest and it does make you think about sensible units instead of just blindly copying an answer from some electronic gizmo, a skill that comes in real use when you are up there in the blue....incidently I still carry mine at all times in my flight bag, gives me something to do on those long boring 1 hr sectors!
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From: Sale
I've not got a problem using the CRP-5 (Well a crappier ARC-1) and it does me fine apart from not being able to work out compressibility. Any questions on compressibility?
But can you take in your electronic (non-programmable etc etc) calculator as well.
I prefer to use that for working out fuel weight, distance/time etc type questions.
But can you take in your electronic (non-programmable etc etc) calculator as well.
I prefer to use that for working out fuel weight, distance/time etc type questions.
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From: West Mids
Field in Sight
If my ever fading memory serves me well, the only place you will get compressibility questions is in the Instruments exam.
And yes you CAN take you non-programmable calculator into the exams, but dont be surprised if they check it first!
Cheers
TBL
If my ever fading memory serves me well, the only place you will get compressibility questions is in the Instruments exam.
And yes you CAN take you non-programmable calculator into the exams, but dont be surprised if they check it first!
Cheers
TBL
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From: Sarfend-on-Sea
Field in Sight
Not only are there compressibility questions in the exam, but the answers to all the flight computer questions are all calculated on a CRP-5. Since others may come up with slightly different answers and the CAA has admitted that the answers are too close together for some CRP-5 questions you may get the wrong answers with your ARC-1. It is worth around £75 to buy a CRP-5. The alternative may be an extra two months and a £50 resit fee!
Also the CRP-5 is an excellent computer, with many useful notes printed on it reminding you of how to solve the problem - for example the instructions of when and how to apply compressibility! So much that it is almost cheating to use one in the exam
Best of luck.
Send Clowns
[Gen Nav instructor, BCFT]
Also the CRP-5 is an excellent computer, with many useful notes printed on it reminding you of how to solve the problem - for example the instructions of when and how to apply compressibility! So much that it is almost cheating to use one in the exam
Best of luck.
Send Clowns
[Gen Nav instructor, BCFT]
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Send Clowns,
Quote -
"with many useful notes printed on it reminding you of how to solve the problem - for example the instructions of when and how to apply compressibility! So much that it is almost cheating to use one in the exam
Best of luck.
Send Clowns
[Gen Nav instructor, BCFT]"
Could you describe some of your tricks, cues etc already on the CRP-5, as I have read you stating this before. Give us some scenarios (ie talk us through it) if you get the time.
Cheers,
Laurie.
Quote -
"with many useful notes printed on it reminding you of how to solve the problem - for example the instructions of when and how to apply compressibility! So much that it is almost cheating to use one in the exam
Best of luck.
Send Clowns
[Gen Nav instructor, BCFT]"
Could you describe some of your tricks, cues etc already on the CRP-5, as I have read you stating this before. Give us some scenarios (ie talk us through it) if you get the time.
Cheers,
Laurie.
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From: various places .....
There is only one "trick" to using a nav computer ... that is to practise the techniques until they become second nature and totally automatic .. there are no short cuts, however.
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From: oxford
If you do have a difficulty with CRP5, Pooley have produced a CBT CD-ROM for use with your own home computer, with good graphics and with sound. It explains it all very clearly. It costs £23:50. Everyone I know who has tried it has found it very useful. It has also been well reviewed by the aviation press.
I should point out that we at OAT must declare an interest. We created it for Pooley and we make a profit on every one sold. You may therefore wish to bear that in mind when reading the above recommendation.
I should point out that we at OAT must declare an interest. We created it for Pooley and we make a profit on every one sold. You may therefore wish to bear that in mind when reading the above recommendation.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
laurie,
I think what SC is refering to is the many hints which are printed on the CRP5. Can't remember how many ticks to move the compressability window? No problem - the formula's printed next to the window. Can't remember whether the index on the wind side is track or heading? Printed next to the index is the word "heading", which is what you'll put there if you use the wind down method. Can't remember which speed goes on the inside and which on the outside when converting from IAS to TAS? Well, it's marked on the wheel itself, just look for the marking. And so on...
But that's no substitute for practicing enough that you can use the whiz-wheel without thinking about it. Time is quite tight in some exams, and if you spend 10 minutes having to figure out how to use your CRP 5 in the exam, you won't have time to finish.
FFF
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I think what SC is refering to is the many hints which are printed on the CRP5. Can't remember how many ticks to move the compressability window? No problem - the formula's printed next to the window. Can't remember whether the index on the wind side is track or heading? Printed next to the index is the word "heading", which is what you'll put there if you use the wind down method. Can't remember which speed goes on the inside and which on the outside when converting from IAS to TAS? Well, it's marked on the wheel itself, just look for the marking. And so on...
But that's no substitute for practicing enough that you can use the whiz-wheel without thinking about it. Time is quite tight in some exams, and if you spend 10 minutes having to figure out how to use your CRP 5 in the exam, you won't have time to finish.
FFF
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From: Behind You
I hate to tell you this HapHazard but it was indeed the wind arm I snapped off, and quite intentionally. Having used what my experience showed to be a superior product to the Crappy5, I spent a few weeks persevering with the superfluous piece of plastic (the wind arm not the crp5) but the final decision was made, it had to go. It was removed as it was, based on a fair trial, nothing more than a waste of space. (Although it did pain me to do so as I had spent 70+ notes on it). Again I had compared the wind up/wind down method over a period of time and based on my experience, weighing up the pros and cons I found the former to be quicker and more effective.
The cursor remained though as it did occasionally come in useful.
I was only putting across my own personal advise in my post above, the 'poster' is not obliged to take it and hopefully will not base his/her decision based solely on one opinion alone but will weigh up everyone’s responses and hopefully come up with a solution suitable to their own personal preferences.
If you wish to insult my opinions in future, I would be grateful if you would do by personal e-mail or private message. I will consider your opinions and may or may not get back to you.
The cursor remained though as it did occasionally come in useful.
I was only putting across my own personal advise in my post above, the 'poster' is not obliged to take it and hopefully will not base his/her decision based solely on one opinion alone but will weigh up everyone’s responses and hopefully come up with a solution suitable to their own personal preferences.
If you wish to insult my opinions in future, I would be grateful if you would do by personal e-mail or private message. I will consider your opinions and may or may not get back to you.
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From: Red Feather Club
Dear Me Tinker, Chill out, nobody is having a go at you, you must be having a bad day or the beer is flat?
Maybe the crap 5 has changed since I did my exams, but mine dont have a wind arm, but thats not to say yours or anyone elses doesnt.
I am not entering a slanging match or insulting you or anybody, remember this is a PROFESSIONAL Pilots Forum, I have better things to do with my time, the point is GOOD LUCK RODGER THE CABIN BOY, hope it all comes together for you.
Maybe the crap 5 has changed since I did my exams, but mine dont have a wind arm, but thats not to say yours or anyone elses doesnt.
I am not entering a slanging match or insulting you or anybody, remember this is a PROFESSIONAL Pilots Forum, I have better things to do with my time, the point is GOOD LUCK RODGER THE CABIN BOY, hope it all comes together for you.
Last edited by Hap Hazard; 11th September 2002 at 18:58.
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From: UK
FS: One CRP-5. VGC. Used once, in a PPL/IR Navigation exam and nearly never again. £32 incl P&P.
I will also chuck in a few CD ROMs supplied by Eurocontrol for Radio Navigation and Met, if that person is interested (actually designed for student ATCOs but probably just as useful to student pilots too).
I will also chuck in a few CD ROMs supplied by Eurocontrol for Radio Navigation and Met, if that person is interested (actually designed for student ATCOs but probably just as useful to student pilots too).
Wind arms...
Gizajob
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From: uk
Sure I remember my Gen Nav teacher saying wind down (dot up) is the only correct method. Wind up works but not in all cases - can anyone else remember this? Only sticks with me because I had to get out of wind up habit I was taught for PPL...