Thoughts on TUI Fly programme in Belgium
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before anything, i take it you meet the requirements of being an EU citizen?
i'm really thinking about this MPL too. generally MPLs seem so sketchy. if anything goes wrong, you've spent all your money on a qualification that doesn't mean anything to anyone besides TUI. However, if everything goes well, you've got cheap 'flight training' and a contract with TUI at the end. i think it's worth reading the small print and reading through the posts about Easy's MPL to see how that was handled. i'm also assuming the MPL is relatively competitive considering the price, albeit nowhere near as competitive as the full-funded MPL?
edit: i just read the job post properly. it says that after successful completion of the training, you're offered an 8-month contract with TUI with a possibility of extension. what does this mean!? if they decide not to extend the contract, am I still left with an MPL or will that have been converted into a fATPL to go elsewhere? there's no way they're profitting by letting their type-rated MPL pilots go to another airline after just 8 months. now im quite confused.
i'm really thinking about this MPL too. generally MPLs seem so sketchy. if anything goes wrong, you've spent all your money on a qualification that doesn't mean anything to anyone besides TUI. However, if everything goes well, you've got cheap 'flight training' and a contract with TUI at the end. i think it's worth reading the small print and reading through the posts about Easy's MPL to see how that was handled. i'm also assuming the MPL is relatively competitive considering the price, albeit nowhere near as competitive as the full-funded MPL?
edit: i just read the job post properly. it says that after successful completion of the training, you're offered an 8-month contract with TUI with a possibility of extension. what does this mean!? if they decide not to extend the contract, am I still left with an MPL or will that have been converted into a fATPL to go elsewhere? there's no way they're profitting by letting their type-rated MPL pilots go to another airline after just 8 months. now im quite confused.
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before anything, i take it you meet the requirements of being an EU citizen?
i'm really thinking about this MPL too. generally MPLs seem so sketchy. if anything goes wrong, you've spent all your money on a qualification that doesn't mean anything to anyone besides TUI. However, if everything goes well, you've got cheap 'flight training' and a contract with TUI at the end. i think it's worth reading the small print and reading through the posts about Easy's MPL to see how that was handled. i'm also assuming the MPL is relatively competitive considering the price, albeit nowhere near as competitive as the full-funded MPL?
edit: i just read the job post properly. it says that after successful completion of the training, you're offered an 8-month contract with TUI with a possibility of extension. what does this mean!? if they decide not to extend the contract, am I still left with an MPL or will that have been converted into a fATPL to go elsewhere? there's no way they're profitting by letting their type-rated MPL pilots go to another airline after just 8 months. now im quite confused.
i'm really thinking about this MPL too. generally MPLs seem so sketchy. if anything goes wrong, you've spent all your money on a qualification that doesn't mean anything to anyone besides TUI. However, if everything goes well, you've got cheap 'flight training' and a contract with TUI at the end. i think it's worth reading the small print and reading through the posts about Easy's MPL to see how that was handled. i'm also assuming the MPL is relatively competitive considering the price, albeit nowhere near as competitive as the full-funded MPL?
edit: i just read the job post properly. it says that after successful completion of the training, you're offered an 8-month contract with TUI with a possibility of extension. what does this mean!? if they decide not to extend the contract, am I still left with an MPL or will that have been converted into a fATPL to go elsewhere? there's no way they're profitting by letting their type-rated MPL pilots go to another airline after just 8 months. now im quite confused.
Yeah I'm Irish. I have the exact same thoughts as you. Will need to find this all out on the initial call. I think they are still profiting though. Or not profiting, but it's getting them the necessary pilots they need to at least cover their busy summer period I suspect. Because the actual flying hours are low, the cost you pay for the course and the cost that they take from you from your salary in those 8 months cover it. I suspect there will not be too much competition as not many have the money. I'm 29 and been saving for years and can just about scrape it
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Hi, I have applied too. If someone already got info about the next phase after the online assessment I would appreciate as I received an email recently that I passed the first phase.
To be clear. TUI MPL Belgium not UK
Good luck!
To be clear. TUI MPL Belgium not UK
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Yeah I'm Irish. I have the exact same thoughts as you. Will need to find this all out on the initial call. I think they are still profiting though. Or not profiting, but it's getting them the necessary pilots they need to at least cover their busy summer period I suspect. Because the actual flying hours are low, the cost you pay for the course and the cost that they take from you from your salary in those 8 months cover it. I suspect there will not be too much competition as not many have the money. I'm 29 and been saving for years and can just about scrape it
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im also Irish and 29! I was very interested in this until I seen the 8 month contract! Also the wording suggests that an extension will be more unlikely than likely! I don’t see what benefit an 8 month contract is to TUI? You’re also left a little stranded trying to get an airline job if you’re not kept on, with an MPL with less than 1500 hours!
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Unless as you said they have a process in place to allow you to convert to fATPL
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What makes you guys think that an extension after the 8 month contract is more unlikely than likely? I mean 50k including TR must be heavily subsidized by TUI. What interest would they have in letting you go afterwards? And even if so, having a 737 TR plus some experience - at least more than anyone coming from a private flight school - would put you in a better position than private students, don't you think?
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I recieved that mail too for the face to face interview, weird because the selection proces originally consisted of a digital interview, and they aren't answering to my mails.
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What makes you guys think that an extension after the 8 month contract is more unlikely than likely? I mean 50k including TR must be heavily subsidized by TUI. What interest would they have in letting you go afterwards? And even if so, having a 737 TR plus some experience - at least more than anyone coming from a private flight school - would put you in a better position than private students, don't you think?
I think private school people will have more actual well-rounded overall flying experience from their ATPL if that makes sense. This programme will just give you loads of hours in a 737 and then what other airline are you going to go to after that? Norwegian? That's all I can think of. And Ryanair of course. Those are my concerns anyway 🤷
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I think they want pilots for their summer season. I can only see one other thread where this type of TUI programme was ever discussed in that past and that seemed to be the situation. And I don't think it is subsidised really. It even says on the description that you pay the remaining costs from salary sacrifice. There's so few actual flying hours and mostly just simulator which is a lot less expensive.
I think private school people will have more actual well-rounded overall flying experience from their ATPL if that makes sense. This programme will just give you loads of hours in a 737 and then what other airline are you going to go to after that? Norwegian? That's all I can think of. And Ryanair of course. Those are my concerns anyway 🤷
I think private school people will have more actual well-rounded overall flying experience from their ATPL if that makes sense. This programme will just give you loads of hours in a 737 and then what other airline are you going to go to after that? Norwegian? That's all I can think of. And Ryanair of course. Those are my concerns anyway 🤷
You might be right with your other concerns, of course I don’t know better. I’ll try to find out as much about this as possible in the interview.
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I think they want pilots for their summer season. I can only see one other thread where this type of TUI programme was ever discussed in that past and that seemed to be the situation. And I don't think it is subsidised really. It even says on the description that you pay the remaining costs from salary sacrifice. There's so few actual flying hours and mostly just simulator which is a lot less expensive.
I think private school people will have more actual well-rounded overall flying experience from their ATPL if that makes sense. This programme will just give you loads of hours in a 737 and then what other airline are you going to go to after that? Norwegian? That's all I can think of. And Ryanair of course. Those are my concerns anyway 🤷
I think private school people will have more actual well-rounded overall flying experience from their ATPL if that makes sense. This programme will just give you loads of hours in a 737 and then what other airline are you going to go to after that? Norwegian? That's all I can think of. And Ryanair of course. Those are my concerns anyway 🤷
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I have not received any newsabout the face to face interview yet, what about you two? Two weeks have now passed since the last email that said I passed to the next phase (no-reply-email)
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still no answer too, I see that they have changed the recruitment proces on the vacancy so this is a good sign for us and means that there's no problem
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I share the concerns you guys have. I did the tests today and got an invitation to HQ too.
My main question there will indeed be the job description and what they expect after these 8 months. Without any real view on a permanent contract or a way to convert this to a fATPL, I’m not sure if it’s worth the 50k.
My main question there will indeed be the job description and what they expect after these 8 months. Without any real view on a permanent contract or a way to convert this to a fATPL, I’m not sure if it’s worth the 50k.
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I share the concerns you guys have. I did the tests today and got an invitation to HQ too.
My main question there will indeed be the job description and what they expect after these 8 months. Without any real view on a permanent contract or a way to convert this to a fATPL, I’m not sure if it’s worth the 50k.
My main question there will indeed be the job description and what they expect after these 8 months. Without any real view on a permanent contract or a way to convert this to a fATPL, I’m not sure if it’s worth the 50k.
Absolutely, that's something one needs to know about before starting the training. I cannot imagine TUI designing a programme where the student, if TUI themselves don't want to renew your contract, will be stranded. Also it is interesting to know that the first 10 months will be online... Therefore you will only study from home and won't receive (live) lessons. That would be quite a struggle for some, as one might not be able to make real social Interactions in the programme and feel overwhelmed (if you are not prepared). Which dates are you going to the HQ?