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Training with Australian PPL

Old 3rd Aug 2022, 08:16
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Training with Australian PPL

I got a Australian PPL back in 2016 but haven't really used it since. Now I'm looking to go to the UK for modular fATPL training, planning to get both UK and EASA licences. Have a few questions that I would like some advice on.

Do I need to convert my CASA PPL to a UK one before hour building/training?
Since I have very little hours and haven't flown in so long, what sort of training will I need before I can get my night rating and start hour building towards the 100 hour requirement?
Any idea on how much this training will cost and how long it would take?
Given that I will require additional training to get back up to speed, get a night rating and hour build, I imagine that the total cost may be comparable to a integrated course. If I end up going integrated, what will happen to my Australian PPL?


Thanks for the help.
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Old 3rd Aug 2022, 14:51
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I can't answer all the questions. Your Aus PPL will stay valid, to use it, all you need is an Australian medical and a flight review of some sort. You won't lose that PPL. If you convert, you're not exchanging one for the other, you're using the PPL to get credits so to speak. Eg, when I moved over, I used my Aus ATPL to give me some flying credit for the JAA ATPL (which became the EASA ATPL, then I had to change it from the UK CAA to NL thanks to Brexit) and now hold both an EASA ATPL and UK CAA ATPL. My Aus ATPL is still there, just need an Aus medical and a flight check.

Flying on a PPL is relatively easy. Not a lot to it. If you go integrated, it'll just sit there all nice and quiet.

Have you looked at the CAA's website? The UK and EASA licences are not the same any more. I understand 2 sets of exams (which is possible...) and specific flight tests done in each jurisdiction. I saw somewhere on this site a very clever flight test involving Jersey and Caen/Le Torquet. Brilliantly clever.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 08:43
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Good morning

in order to fly UK or EASA registered airplanes as PiC you would need a license from those countries so… conversion would need to be done first (UK may have a different view and/or exceptions but EASA is clear about it)

to convert your AUS PPL to EASA you are required to have the license and medical current… and hold at least 100 hours (Spanish CAA require certificate of hours to be with The Hague Apostille

you would need to study carefully what makes more sense from a financial point of view (if you were in Australia now… it is a no-brainer)

your AUS flight hours will count towards the requirements of a CPL license (200 total and 100 PIC)

Best of luck with your process

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Old 4th Aug 2022, 13:18
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An Australian PPL meets the pre-requisite for starting a modular CPL training course. The UK and many EASA member states offer a foreign licence validation which is valid in non-commercial operations on any of 28 days in a calendar year. This validation requires one or more acclimatisation flights with an instructor, but it does not require a skill test, written exams, or UK/EASA medical certificate. Details in art 8(3) of Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2020/723. Therefore, conversion to a UK/EASA PPL may be unnecessary.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 07:28
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An Australian PPL meets the pre-requisite for starting a modular CPL training course. The UK and many EASA member states offer a foreign licence validation which is valid in non-commercial operations on any of 28 days in a calendar year. This validation requires one or more acclimatisation flights with an instructor, but it does not require a skill test, written exams, or UK/EASA medical certificate. Details in art 8(3) of Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2020/723. Therefore, conversion to a UK/EASA PPL may be unnecessary.
very interesting!

just read it and it would only work for 28 days per calendar year… it would be very difficult to complete the hour building required. A lot of careful thought is required here to make the right decision
good luck!

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Thanks for your replies.

I'm aware of the differences between EASA and UK licences and the additional exams and flight tests that it would require to get both licences.
The schools I've been in contact with offer both licences so I assume they will have everything arranged but they are very unresponsive so that's pretty frustrating and delaying my planning a lot..

I forgot to mention in my initial post that I currently don't satisfy the 100 hour requirement to convert so I would need to find a way to get those hours before being able to convert.
I am currently not in Aus and don't have a valid medical. And I don't believe 28 days would be enough for hour building and the training I would need to get to that stage in my training.

Does that mean I will need a Australian medical for refresher training/hour building in the UK i.e. I can't have a UK & EASA Class 1 and fly in the UK using a Australian PPL for training/hour building?
If that's the case, would you recommend going to Aus for refresher training, flight review and hour building before going to the UK for modular fATPL training?
Or would it make more sense to go into a integrated course in the UK and convert my PPL at a later date?
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"forgot to mention in my initial post that I currently don't satisfy the 100 hour requirement"

You mentioned it, which is why I brought the 28 day validation to your attention. That validation is only needed for PIC flying in UK-registered Part-21 aeroplanes. Dual flying training doesn't use up the days. The counter is reset at the end of the year, whereafter a fresh 28 day validation must be sought.

The validation requires the licence to be valid for the intended purpose, eg non-commercial operations in single-engine pistons. That means the medical certificate needs to be valid. There are over a dozen CASA-designated AMEs in the UK and a few more sprinked across the rest of Europe.

An ICAO-compliant pilot licence is automatically deemed valid for UK-registered non–Part-21 aeroplanes, although I don't think flight time on these is accepted towards the Part-FCL IR/CPL/ATPL experience requirements.
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Minor update to previous post: Austrocontrol accepts PIC flight time on Annex I aeroplanes.
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If that's the case then I don't think it makes much sense for me to convert in the UK.
Now I'm thinking the modular option for me would be to get a CASA Class 2 medical, go to Aus, get current again, do a flight review and get a night rating before hour building and then going to the UK for fATPL
For hour building, I'm thinking of perhaps going to the US (California) for it as I can stay with a friend and aircraft rental should be cheaper than Aus (please correct me if I'm wrong)
If I go down this path, any idea on roughly how much everything before fATPL training would cost?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks
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Unless I've missed it one of the most important questions is - where do you have a right to work once you have completed whatever fATPL you may hold.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 13:00
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RichardH - I have the right to work in the UK that's why I am aiming to complete my training there and gain both UK and EASA licences
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