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Aviation Career Center ACC

Old 21st Dec 2020, 16:38
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Aviation Career Center ACC

Just thought I'd open up a thread regarding an ATO in Slovenia so we can post our thoughts about it.
They don't leave many places to talk freely about the school so I thought I'd leave some space here to share.

In my experience I wouldn't recommend the school.
The lectures were generally poor quality, and seemed nothing more than a simple box tick exercise.
Aircraft were poorly maintained, with students dealing with broken flaps, stab trim runways, cracked engine cylinders, engine failures, electrical fires etc
Insurance wasn't great on the aircraft, prop strikes on new aircraft are covered by the student, same for bird strikes and the like.
Management always gave the impression of doing favours when something worked better for them. They will happily charge you more to extend your contract during Covid, saying it's a favour to you. They try to screw you on the contract, and a hassle to keep to the contract. Typically there isn't an attitude that you are a paying customer.
The chief pilot is a pain. Requiring checks that aren't necessary, banning flights to grass airfields or even flying with friends. He simply does not understand EASA rules regarding the carriage of passengers. He will require you to be "checked" before flying to a different country. He will question everything you do, from how high you fly, to where you fly. It's an avoid from me
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 17:50
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Ladies, Gents
I think I could say the exact comments for Ionian Aviation in Greece !
Except for the part of the Chief Pilot, because that was me ..
Before you choose a flight school, go there, and visit the place.
Now, is not the time to start a commercial flight training program.
Unless your parents are millionaires, don`t waste your money.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 00:31
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As an ex-student of Aviation Career Center (ACC) - Maribor, I can just give the advice, to stay away from this ATO in Slovenia and to talk to the previous students.

I can confirm everything what Deckbacon has said, the lectures were very poor, as 10% of the ATPL theory phase was spent in the classroom with the same two instructors, who have very little or no experience at all, just reading out aloud the content of the Oxford ATPL books - wasting time.
The aircraft that were used for the flight training, were in a bad shape, and nothing was done about it, even if it was reported. I have experienced all the issues myself, i.e. flaps (that would jump to the up position during approach), stab trim (that was running away during departure), engine (cylinder, and lead on the spark plugs), one student has experienced an electrical fire and a another one an engine failure.

The Chief Pilot has some anger problems which everybody knows of (including the management). On one of my first training flights, he made me fly with no airspeed & altitude indications (blocked pitot tube), after telling him that I felt uncomfortable to continue flying like this, he exploded on me, asking me how I would dare to question his decisions, since he has more than 8.000 hours of flight experience, including hours on - Cessna Citation Jet -, compared to a stupid student pilot like me (I also had to pay for the Chief Pilot's ferry flight to the maintenance due to this problem), but that is just the cherry on the cake...
He has many unwritten rules, and if he doesn't like you, then you are in trouble, as he also enjoys threatening students for no reason.

Money has a high priority, therefore students are paying their 'training fees' in advance, even if no training is taking place.
You are not being treated as a student or customer, but as a cash cow, that is being milked till the end of the 'training'.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 09:23
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Danger It's all about the money!!!!

I visited ACC 2018, I was searching for an ATO to start an ATPL Training.
Miha (responsible for everything), convinced me to drive all the way down to Maribor and check the Airport and the ACC "Base".

Once I have arrived there, I was standing in front of a building supposed to be an International Airport.
At this day they had no classes scheduled, as many other ATOs have at least one class going on at 12 pm.
Miha introduced me to a student who was sitting alone in a Backoffice, where they have a Big Screen for "teaching" and nothing else.
He also showed me this 15sqm Meetingrooms at the first floor entering every single room with a magnetic card "like MacGyver".

Then He came up with an idea to show me the hanger with the Aircrafts, cause they have all these brand new A/Cs.
I was actually wondering how easy it was to enter an international Airport without any big security checks specially the Apron.
When you talk to Miha he will convince you that ACC has the highest standards and the frequency of numerous Aircrafts landing in Maribor gives the student great experience for his/her future career.
I saw one small SEP approaching the RWY. Nothing else!
Instead it was interesting to see how Airport Staff is working by drinking Beer and chating. Cause no one actually did use this "International Airport" ....no flights scheduled, nothing!

No students around made me become really skeptical!

So I've joined several sites and forums, till I found out what they actually do!
I don't recommend this ATO they try to convince you that they do know everything but the fact is... the only thing they want is your MONEY!
=> Check out the Thrad about how they scammed students from Lybia!

GOOD LUCK!
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 12:23
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Avoid this school at all cost!

As an Ex-student can't agree more with everything said here.
Altough some of the instructors in the school are doing their job, and trying their best to actually teach, the school administration and management are just thirsty for the students money, doing everything they can to milk any cent they can with scams, and accusations!
Student are not insured by the school in the hour building process which means that every scratch, bird strike, or mistake you might have while training is out of your pocket and could get to sums of more than 10k euro, happened to more than 3 different students.

Lastly about the head of training, as the guy that is suppose to be the source of information, expirience and knowledge in the school, he doesn't know have of the rules, makes up stuff as he goes, and would do anything to prove that he is not wrong when most of the time he is.
There are even a few stories from other students about racist behavior he has towards certain people and religions.
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR! FIND SOMETHING ELSE!
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Old 30th Dec 2020, 10:20
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Taking the fun out of flying

The CFI is an absolute pain. He used to moan at me if I was flying above 7000 feet, complained if I visited a grass airfields (banned me from flying for abit for doing that once). He seemed to take great pleasure in taking all the fun out of hour building which should be the most fun. Flying to different places, getting a coffee with a friend then flying back. He wouldn't allow that.
demand ruled were followed when they weren't written anywhere, and always have to be right, if he couldn't prove it or you didn't believe him it was an "EASA rule" I'd ask him to find it and he never would even try to look, as he knew he was wrong
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 12:47
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No fun, just worries and wasted money

I was as well a student at ACC and I can easily say that choosing this flight school was a huge mistake. Everything that has been written in this thread is 100% true. From the lectures to the maintenance of the plane. And, as already mentioned, forget about being treated as a paying customer that is trying to make his dream come true...they want to milk as much money as possible from you and they will do everything to do it. In one case they couldnít provide a part of the training to a student because they had neither the plane nor the instructor for it and so they offered two options to solve the problem: wait at least 3 months doing nothing or pay thousands of euros to be moved to another flight school and continue the training. The crazy thing is that they charge you thousands of euros because they cannot provide a service stated in the contract for which you already paid. Plus remember that if your contract expires they will ask you something to extend it. Another awful part of the school was the terrible head of training: he was rude with students, he could just scream even when he was wrong, he demanded really pointless checks (that you have to pay), he wouldnít allow the carrying of passengers or the flying to grass airfields.

Big no go, stay away.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:31
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Why does this thread read like it's all written by one single unsatisfied customer?
Writing anonymous posts on this forum is just slandering and hate talk, without any reference how much of this what you're writing is true, and you take away an option to tell the other side of the story (not your's only)...
If you're so unhappy with them, then use your personal FB profile, expose yourself and make a review there.
This way others can truly believe the words you have written, because there is a face and a name behind these words, not just a nickname and the "I'm new here".
Plus, they also have a chance of telling their side of the story... because of you and your opinion (true, not true or partly true), they might experience business shortage, which could have a negative impact on other existing students, that are satisfied, some of them might even be your friends, if you even genuinely was a student there.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 11:09
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dekammeron it sounds like you are working for them LOL... let me remind you that forums, are places where people are allowed to write whatever they want, without showing who they really are. I think the number of various comments here and in other Threads, are just confirming How ACC and specially the Administration is!
AND to be honest I do think that this dekammeron Profil is one of MIHAs fake profiles, if not you should check the number of "ACC MARIBOR" Threads.

Beside that, just in case you didn't understand what I was talking about, a short reminder: Some ATOs include non-disclosure agreements to their contracts! In case of ACC, students are obliged to pay 10000 EURO in case of any violation. ARE YOU STIL INTERESTED IN, HOW DID YOU SAY "EXPOSE YOURSELF"...LOL

Isn't this a platform where we can share our experiences anonymous! To help others!
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 11:15
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Hehe, you guys are funny... My experience was quite the opposite.
I have nothing but to say against ACC but commendations, nothing even close to what you guys are writing.
You must've done something really outrageous to them to get this kind of treatment.
To me, they were honest, straightforward and professional. I don't have a reference to compare with other schools as I did all the training there, but I definitely don't regret doing the training in ACC.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 16:34
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Personally, regarding my reply, I donít see how showing my real name would make my review more believable. Future students will anyway just see a name and done, it doesnít mean anything to them...the name is not more believable than a nickname.

I already told everything to ACC when I was there as a student so they already had the chance to explain the reason of their actions but they didnít. Also a true potential student would reply or message to ask details about why we donít suggest the school, while here you appeared complaining that I should expose myself so that you know who I am...why does it look to me that you are working in that school and trying to find out who I am? Because I donít think that an ďA320 captain based in VeniceĒ would be interested in me exposing myself on FB to post a review.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 12:47
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Dekammeron
A flight school with 2-3 planes, will mean students have shared exeriences. A small managment that hasn't changed since their time at Adria, issues are going to keep repeat. Behaviour hasn't changed, these things will keep going on.
On a forum like this people are able to say what they think is true, what they feel is true. For better or for worse this is an outlet where they can say what their view is. Being anon here is safe, it allows freedom of thought and speech without worrying of it being held against them, if they are in the school or just finished. It can be good reviews as well as negative ones. I'd have hoped that you MG, in your poistion at the school would have taken this as a chance to reflect or talk about issues from your side to help people understand and open up more conversation?
This isn't a filtered "bestaviation" review, this is a forum. Why should anyone have to expose their face or name or you? what would change?

Hawker_hurricane
I fail to see how doing "something really outragious" would cause poor quality lectures, school rule/unwritten rules, going up in broken aircraft or absurd fees have anything to do with how you have treated someone? It's a school where you go 1 minute over something and the bill comes after your CPL exam flight, think when someone ran the numbers they were bumping those a touch as well charging for .3 or .4 of a minute extra.
No handshake, no "well done", no "thanks for training here and good luck". Just get a sent a bill you're told to pay and that's it, you don't pay we don't finish your license. The management have no touch. And are always looking to squeeze something out of you. See Dekammeron for further details of this.
If you had a good experience then I'm pleased for you, but don't make out anyone did something "outrageous" as if we deserve the kind of treatment we got. We are or were trying to finish our training, or get what the contract told us we could have.
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 17:48
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Hello Mr.ACC

So Miha why you dont write with your own name then?

Way you treat your customers is not correct and it will be more and more public and its a good thing for people to see that ACC owners just trying to get all money they may have and they don't care about their students at all.

Have a nice year of 2021 and try to find your soul.




Originally Posted by dekammeron View Post
Why does this thread read like it's all written by one single unsatisfied customer?
Writing anonymous posts on this forum is just slandering and hate talk, without any reference how much of this what you're writing is true, and you take away an option to tell the other side of the story (not your's only)...
If you're so unhappy with them, then use your personal FB profile, expose yourself and make a review there.
This way others can truly believe the words you have written, because there is a face and a name behind these words, not just a nickname and the "I'm new here".
Plus, they also have a chance of telling their side of the story... because of you and your opinion (true, not true or partly true), they might experience business shortage, which could have a negative impact on other existing students, that are satisfied, some of them might even be your friends, if you even genuinely was a student there.
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