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Confusion, Advice Needed!

Old 27th Jun 2018, 18:28
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Confusion, Advice Needed!

Hi All,

After reading through recent comments on Brexit, Licenses and so on I am fully confused,

My original plan was as follows:
- Finish PPL here in the UK
- Commence ATPL's with Bartolini Air and undertake the exams in Poland
- Hour Build up to 90hrs PIC most likely in the U.S
- Complete the CPL/ME/IR package with Bartolini Air
Total cost around £34,000 after finishing my PPL

I am now a little unsure if going down the process of the FAA training and then converting to EASA if this could be a potential option/change of plan. I apologise in advance if this is a simple question/explanation but I like to have a clear pathway.

Am I correct in thinking it would be a case of the following:

1) Enrolment Process at an appropriate flying school in the US e.g American Aviation Academy or European Flight Training
2) FAA Instrument Rating?, given I will already hold an EASA PPL and more than likely 14 ATPL Passes
3) Hour Building to reach commercial program start incl 50hrs under IFR
4) EASA CPL-ME
5) EASA Instrument rating conversion in Europe, What would this consist of if I have 50hrs PIC time under IFR ?
Total cost around £35,000 plus accommodation and flights but with the benefit of having FAA ratings.

What would the purpose of holding an FAA CPL be, if I could find a way to obtain a visa would I be eligible to apply for jobs in the USA or Canada with an FAA Instrument rating and CPL or is holding a fATPL issued by an EU CAA eg Poland as opposed to the UK sufficient to work worldwide (visa/work permits allowing)

Is the FAA route of doing things and obtaining an FAA IR/CPL in any way more beneficial than my original plan ??

Thank in advance for any and all help / information.

B
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Old 27th Jun 2018, 21:32
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if I could find a way to obtain a visa would I be eligible to apply for jobs in the USA
There's no way to get a work visa for the US - forget that. The only way in for work is the Green Card system - Google is your friend. You need to read some of the threads around here, there is lots of info for you and answers to some of your questions.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 08:23
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You want a clear pathway. There isn't one.

I would definitely recommend the US for hour building, but avoid any school that has EASA written anywhere on their website! (They tend to be the most expensive) in fact if its just hour building, then rent from a time building specialist if you want to get it down toward £50 per hour.

You definitely don't need an FAA CPL (they require 250 hours, you want to finish everything by 200) - unless you already have a green card you have no chance of getting hired.

As for the IR - the easiest way these days is the CBIR route. Anything you can get during your hour building will count towards it. IMC/IRR or FAA IR, whatever you can pick up with your spare hours. If you do it that way, both the IR and CPL become 15 hour courses, and work out cheaper than a combined course in Europe.

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Old 28th Jun 2018, 13:48
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Originally Posted by ComeFlyWithB View Post
Hi All,

After reading through recent comments on Brexit, Licenses and so on I am fully confused,

My original plan was as follows:
- Finish PPL here in the UK
- Commence ATPL's with Bartolini Air and undertake the exams in Poland
- Hour Build up to 90hrs PIC most likely in the U.S
- Complete the CPL/ME/IR package with Bartolini Air
Total cost around £34,000 after finishing my PPL

I am now a little unsure if going down the process of the FAA training and then converting to EASA if this could be a potential option/change of plan. I apologise in advance if this is a simple question/explanation but I like to have a clear pathway.

Am I correct in thinking it would be a case of the following:

1) Enrolment Process at an appropriate flying school in the US e.g American Aviation Academy or European Flight Training
2) FAA Instrument Rating?, given I will already hold an EASA PPL and more than likely 14 ATPL Passes
3) Hour Building to reach commercial program start incl 50hrs under IFR
4) EASA CPL-ME
5) EASA Instrument rating conversion in Europe, What would this consist of if I have 50hrs PIC time under IFR ?
Total cost around £35,000 plus accommodation and flights but with the benefit of having FAA ratings.

What would the purpose of holding an FAA CPL be, if I could find a way to obtain a visa would I be eligible to apply for jobs in the USA or Canada with an FAA Instrument rating and CPL or is holding a fATPL issued by an EU CAA eg Poland as opposed to the UK sufficient to work worldwide (visa/work permits allowing)

Is the FAA route of doing things and obtaining an FAA IR/CPL in any way more beneficial than my original plan ??

Thank in advance for any and all help / information.

B

I am having similar thoughts regarding US or Europe, will be compete with my PPL at the start of August and looking to progress fairly quick if possible.
DM me for a chat if needed.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 15:54
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Poland is definitely a good country to sit ATPL exams in, the only problem is you have to wait approximately 5 months before you can take your first sitting but it still gives you more time to prepare more exams and you have the advantage of having a 2 week sitting so you can spread out your exams really well in that time
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 17:29
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
You want a clear pathway. There isn't one.

I would definitely recommend the US for hour building, but avoid any school that has EASA written anywhere on their website! (They tend to be the most expensive) in fact if its just hour building, then rent from a time building specialist if you want to get it down toward £50 per hour.

You definitely don't need an FAA CPL (they require 250 hours, you want to finish everything by 200) - unless you already have a green card you have no chance of getting hired.

As for the IR - the easiest way these days is the CBIR route. Anything you can get during your hour building will count towards it. IMC/IRR or FAA IR, whatever you can pick up with your spare hours. If you do it that way, both the IR and CPL become 15 hour courses, and work out cheaper than a combined course in Europe.
I agree, Iíve found a nice looking place where I can rent a 152 for £71 an hour wet in California.

If if I went for the faa IR route and then CBIR conversion in the UK / Europe what are the requirements ? Eg do I need to build x amount of hours IFR ?

Iím contemplating getting my ATPLs done, FAA IR, hour build at a cheaper location, CPL/ME and then come back and convert via CBIR however this is where my knowledge is a little sketchy.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 07:47
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If you have an FAA IR just do the EIR on your return - the theoretical knowledge is done on the check ride
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 15:50
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^^^ You can go one step further. If you get an FAA IR and fly 50 hours as PIC under IFR - you can convert straight to a FULL EASA IR. No minimum training hours.
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