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Need advice - Moving on after termination

Old 27th Mar 2018, 02:50
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Question Need advice - Moving on after termination


I was wondering if someone could help me.

I was an integrated student at CAE - and just completed my ATPL's with a great average and excellent individual subject grades. Sadly; although well with in the EASA limit, I failed 5 EASA exams (passed on 2nd sitting) - and my integrated contract got terminated.
I've been in contact with L3 and they've advised that I can go on to do my CPL etc with them, however I have to do my PPL and hours before I can be accepted on to their course.

I'm out in America at the moment looking at EASA registered flight schools, and the EASA instructor out here advised that there may be other complication in regards to my qualifications and future plans due to the fact he thinks that my 14 ATPLs will no longer be valid if I move from Integrated to Modular.

I'm going to be contacting the CAA when I get back to the UK, but in the mean time I was wondering if anyone has been through a similar situation to me, and if so has any advise on what my next steps need to be?

Many thanks
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 18:58
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The requirement for Modular ATPL Theory is a PPL

With that in mind I think the instructor is probably right that they will not be valid if you go the Modular route

In my opinion just start fresh and go get a PPL done as soon as possible

No harm in checking with someone who knows more about having to resit the ATPL going the modular route as I could very well be wrong about your situation

I know the CAA take a long time to get back to people so I wouldn't really be holding my breath for them to get back to you

Paco and Alex Whittingham are your best bet on here to get an answer from as they both run reputable schools
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:16
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hi bud, as your in the states check out American Aviation Academy , they're based in san diego , they do easa ppl
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:20
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The CAA has notified an Alternative Means of Compliance to provide for the crediting
set out below.
Where passes are obtained in all of the ATPL examinations these are acceptable for the
CPL, PPL or LAPL in the same aircraft category. (i.e. Where a candidate who has passed
the ATPL examinations does not wish to complete training towards the ATPL (CPL/IR
with ATPL examination credit) or MPL, the examination passes may be credited to
obtain the CPL, PPL or ATPL for the aircraft category; subject to their calendar validity).

From Cap804.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:27
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You do realise you don't need an EASA PPL, right?
FAA Private could be a better option:
*Available everywhere
*Exempts you from night rating
*Issued ON THE SPOT, no need to pay the CAA and wait months to use it (get straight into hour building)
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:27
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My best guess - but it is a guess - is that your ATPL passes will stand but you will need to get a PPL issued to 'regularise' your approach on the modular route. As rudestuff says the ATPL exams should cover for the PPL theory exams, do you have any flying experience?
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:32
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I had hoped to send you a private email to ask certain Qs, but one is not provided:

It is always terribly sad when the outcome from exams does not meet expectations, and yet successful at the second time. There is probably a tale to be told about that, but this is not the time or the place to ask.

What interests me are the qualifications you gained at school / higher education and whether your "basic" education prepared you adequately for the 14 EASA exams.

Apart from FTE, integrated courses complete all the written exams prior to a prop turning. That is can of worms in itself, with beancounters ruling the roost, as to the most cost (profit) effective way, as oppose to the "best practice" old fashion thinking. Again neither the time nor the place to discuss this style.

Did it come as a surprise about your disappointment after attempt one.....

Not the easiest questions to discuss....
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 23:30
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hi h_williams86, any luck? i maybe able to help please dm me..
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 23:37
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Originally Posted by r10bbr View Post
hi bud, as your in the states check out American Aviation Academy , they're based in san diego , they do easa ppl
lol you're better off checking out Fly SAA at the same airfield (KSEE) Atleast I know their maintenance levels and instructors are above standards whereas AAA have serious issue and it reflects in the amount of incidents and fatalities that have happened
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