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EASA Learning Objectives
The new EASA Learning Objectives have been published and can now be read and downloaded at:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...ision-2018001r
The first thing that struck me is that Communications appears to have been omitted in its entirety.
Does anybody happen to know if this is correct or have I simply missed something (senior moment!).
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https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...ision-2018001r
The first thing that struck me is that Communications appears to have been omitted in its entirety.
Does anybody happen to know if this is correct or have I simply missed something (senior moment!).
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No, that's correct. These LOs become live in exams by 2020 at the latest. Note that where areas of the syllabus are to be removed EASA have stopped writing new questions in the current Question bank.
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"This Decision shall enter into force on the day following that of its publication in the Official Publication of
EASA.
It shall apply by 31 January 2022 at the latest."
But wait a second:
1 - they will have to give time to the schools to change their manuals (I hope)
2 - They should publish the date of application... shouldn't they?
Edit:
It is also recognised that commercial organisations providing textbooks and other training material will
likely need to update their products to reflect the AMCs/GM published with this Decision.
All these activities will take time to manage effectively and EASA proposes a transition period spanning
over 4 years, starting from the publication of this Decision. Of these 4 years, the first 2 will be
necessary to update the ECQB with questions based on the new and revised syllabi and LOs, while the
last 2 years are envisaged for the competent authorities to implement the updated ECQB and the
amendments mentioned above
So is this saying that we will not see any changes on the exams until at least 2 years?
EASA.
It shall apply by 31 January 2022 at the latest."
But wait a second:
1 - they will have to give time to the schools to change their manuals (I hope)
2 - They should publish the date of application... shouldn't they?
Edit:
It is also recognised that commercial organisations providing textbooks and other training material will
likely need to update their products to reflect the AMCs/GM published with this Decision.
All these activities will take time to manage effectively and EASA proposes a transition period spanning
over 4 years, starting from the publication of this Decision. Of these 4 years, the first 2 will be
necessary to update the ECQB with questions based on the new and revised syllabi and LOs, while the
last 2 years are envisaged for the competent authorities to implement the updated ECQB and the
amendments mentioned above
So is this saying that we will not see any changes on the exams until at least 2 years?
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Good news:
In parallel with EASA preparing the update of the ECQB, ATOs should start preparing their new courses
and competent authorities should prepare the implementation measures. It would be up to the
individual competent authorities to set an expiry date for the old syllabus examinations — this would
provide flexibility for each competent authority to choose the date of transition. Complex transitional
arrangements for student pilots caught between the old and the new syllabus should, wherever
possible, be kept to a minimum. However, special consideration should be given to the examinations
where entire topics or subtopics have been moved between various subject areas.
No 2018 I think
In parallel with EASA preparing the update of the ECQB, ATOs should start preparing their new courses
and competent authorities should prepare the implementation measures. It would be up to the
individual competent authorities to set an expiry date for the old syllabus examinations — this would
provide flexibility for each competent authority to choose the date of transition. Complex transitional
arrangements for student pilots caught between the old and the new syllabus should, wherever
possible, be kept to a minimum. However, special consideration should be given to the examinations
where entire topics or subtopics have been moved between various subject areas.
No 2018 I think
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Well, there's always the possibility that EASA could write questions for the new syllabus and decide they fitted the old syllabus too. I'm sure we will see lots of that. Shouldn't include new topic areas, though.
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But that's what's happening right now, with new questions appearing now and then. It would be strange not seeing any new questions on 2-4 years...
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Here's an interesting quandary.
EASA rules require students to have completed all theoretical knowledge training for all subjects before a student can take any examinations for any subjects. That is applied rigidly by some EASA member states, and not so by others, which may or may not have filed derogations.
Several new EASA ECQB questions seem to cross-pollinate over two or three subjects in the same question. There are not many of these at the moment but who knows, that may change in the future and I have been told of a couple of questions of this nature appearing in UK exams.
How do students, who are studying in countries that do not require completion of all course material before taking examinations, answer questions from subject A which contains elements of subject B, which has not yet been studied?
It seems that an increase in this type of question may disadvantage examination candidates from those countries, which do not apply the rules to their original extent.
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EASA rules require students to have completed all theoretical knowledge training for all subjects before a student can take any examinations for any subjects. That is applied rigidly by some EASA member states, and not so by others, which may or may not have filed derogations.
Several new EASA ECQB questions seem to cross-pollinate over two or three subjects in the same question. There are not many of these at the moment but who knows, that may change in the future and I have been told of a couple of questions of this nature appearing in UK exams.
How do students, who are studying in countries that do not require completion of all course material before taking examinations, answer questions from subject A which contains elements of subject B, which has not yet been studied?
It seems that an increase in this type of question may disadvantage examination candidates from those countries, which do not apply the rules to their original extent.
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Over about 6 months, depending on other things that encroach (domestics!). Strangely enough, the people that do it all at once tend to be Germans (probably because the least exposure to the LBA is enough! ) but we had one Turkish guy who did it with aeroplanes and helicopters and got first time passes all round.
There is a lot of crossover between subjects that makes it easier.
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There is a lot of crossover between subjects that makes it easier.
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You can do that right now, leaving aside the PPL, as you can't take the skill test until you do the exams. I don't see them removing the PPL requirement. However, if you can do a bit of flying it will make comprehension of the subject matter a lot easier. It's fun anyway, right?
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Kee flyer,
The PPL is a leisure licence, not a module of a CPL. What you do after a PPL is up to you.
The exams are very straightforward and essential knowledge. If you find them difficult, then just keep flying as a hobby - you will have no chance at ATPL level.
The PPL is a leisure licence, not a module of a CPL. What you do after a PPL is up to you.
The exams are very straightforward and essential knowledge. If you find them difficult, then just keep flying as a hobby - you will have no chance at ATPL level.
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