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Old 1st Feb 2019, 04:23
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Poland
Age: 40
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Originally Posted by Tharaka737 View Post
Same here.Tried to contact them several times,but got no reply from them.
You may also contact me on WhatsApp. I always respond +48606650616
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 04:25
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Originally Posted by SeGMaN View Post
I hope Mr Mateusz will have more time to reply us I ve been trying to arrange me-ir with him for 2 months but still couldnt come with any outcome
indeed, I am quite busy person due to my work as head of training and airline pilot. However you may contact me on WhatsApp where I always respond +48 606 650 616. There are also two other mails responded by two assistants: osl or ato at smartaviation dot eu
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 12:59
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Mateusz, time to grow the business! You have customers lining up to train with you (me included) but we are all going elsewhere because the 'front-end' of SmartAviation isn't working.
Take the 'hit' and hire some admin staff and buy some CRM software to track prospects. If you are unable to grow the business because of acft or instructors, then 1. invest, or 2. at least provide people with an answer (automated) saying you are full! That way we can all move on with our careers and stop wasting time chasing quotes or information on start dates.

Your training, location, prices etc. are all very attractive. You have a great business proposition. Now you need to grab the opportunity and spread the workload :-)!
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 14:15
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Originally Posted by TooL8 View Post
Mateusz, time to grow the business! You have customers lining up to train with you (me included) but we are all going elsewhere because the 'front-end' of SmartAviation isn't working.
Take the 'hit' and hire some admin staff and buy some CRM software to track prospects. If you are unable to grow the business because of acft or instructors, then 1. invest, or 2. at least provide people with an answer (automated) saying you are full! That way we can all move on with our careers and stop wasting time chasing quotes or information on start dates.

Your training, location, prices etc. are all very attractive. You have a great business proposition. Now you need to grab the opportunity and spread the workload :-)!
Totally agree with you
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 16:15
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Join Date: Mar 2016
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Yes, I couldn't agree more. I emailed you several times, sent Facebook messages and messaged on Whatsapp and got no reply. You're sending business to your competitors!

An admin assistant, which can't cost that much in Poland, would be of great help for you.

It would also allow you to concentrate on training and not on communicating with potential students which could help you increase profits.

I might even be in Poznan right now if it weren't for the lack of communication.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 19:39
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Join Date: Feb 2018
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Originally Posted by avi_fun View Post
I have to write a rectification. After last posts of Pilot 1981 I understood that there is ATO Smart Aviation in Poznan. I had thought that we are talking about Smart Aero in Modlin Airport and my posts was about this ATO. There are two different ATO's with similar names and I made a mistook them.
i would like to know about your experience with smart aero at modlin, I am thinking to do my ratings there
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Avdm159 View Post
i would like to know about your experience with smart aero at modlin, I am thinking to do my ratings there
Dude I can tell you mine and some of my friends' experience;

The problem of the schools around Warsaw is they seem like a good structured businesses at the first glance, but sometimes later you'll understand that the business is actually in sole hands of a single man.

In many cases, just like SmartAero/Ventum/Goldwings etc., this is the guy holding the capital and the only aim he sees is to grow. I suppose it's sort of a Polish or Eastern Europe mentality but in every case, it fails at one point. Because some other good opportunities comes forward (not for you, for them), and you already there with a nice contract that assembled by finest Polish lawyers includes no articles "for" the students.

And when I told you "already there" means you are the one that they can ignore and you are just some random guy from some other part of the world. Because you already paid them the most of the money and any legal actions from your side means you can forget your money for a long long time. Believe me, they are the best to know this and only professional aspect about their business' is to use this.

When there is no business model but there are a single man's business ideas about aviation training, you should avoid them and run away. It's a very good signal I promise.

I'm not a fan of Polish schools but if you really need to go a Polish school, try Bartolini or Adriana.

I know their management are good and I'm mad at myself everyday that I didn't picked one of them with this knowledge.

Ask me private more about why you should not choose Polish at all.

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by unluckyjr View Post
Dude I can tell you mine and some of my friends' experience;

The problem of the schools around Warsaw is they seem like a good structured businesses at the first glance, but sometimes later you'll understand that the business is actually in sole hands of a single man.

In many cases, just like SmartAero/Ventum/Goldwings etc., this is the guy holding the capital and the only aim he sees is to grow. I suppose it's sort of a Polish or Eastern Europe mentality but in every case, it fails at one point. Because some other good opportunities comes forward (not for you, for them), and you already there with a nice contract that assembled by finest Polish lawyers includes no articles "for" the students.

And when I told you "already there" means you are the one that they can ignore and you are just some random guy from some other part of the world. Because you already paid them the most of the money and any legal actions from your side means you can forget your money for a long long time. Believe me, they are the best to know this and only professional aspect about their business' is to use this.

When there is no business model but there are a single man's business ideas about aviation training, you should avoid them and run away. It's a very good signal I promise.

I'm not a fan of Polish schools but if you really need to go a Polish school, try Bartolini or Adriana.

I know their management are good and I'm mad at myself everyday that I didn't picked one of them with this knowledge.

Ask me private more about why you should not choose Polish at all.

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thanks for that! Yeah I had the same bad experience here in Spain, actually a few of us did.

im in the list for bartolini, but game across smart aero, the modlin one. So confusing that there are 2.

anyway, bartolini 20k vs smart 11k, itís a massive difference, Iím just thinking that money can go for my MCC. But at the same time, I donít wanna end up in a bad situation.

Ventum is 20k, which is ridiculous, same price as bartolini and no where near the reputation, I think they are just milking the opportunity!

will check Adriana again and perhaps the smart aero one in Poznań.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:48
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Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Poland
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I know some of the Spain victims. Then we became victims together here in Poland in some other school
Try hard Adriana. Smart Aviation has good reputation, but not the SmartAero. I know some guys at Ventum currently but as you just said, world full of wonders
I strongly recommend you to check some Hungarian schools with good reputation. Training permission (from CAA, takes two weeks to one month) issue in Poland right now is a real deal for foreigners and I suggest anyone to take take that road.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 22:32
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Originally Posted by unluckyjr View Post
I know some of the Spain victims. Then we became victims together here in Poland in some other school
Try hard Adriana. Smart Aviation has good reputation, but not the SmartAero. I know some guys at Ventum currently but as you just said, world full of wonders
I strongly recommend you to check some Hungarian schools with good reputation. Training permission (from CAA, takes two weeks to one month) issue in Poland right now is a real deal for foreigners and I suggest anyone to take take that road.
value for money is best in Poland.
I looked at bestfly in Hungary. Have you heard of them? Iíve heard CAVOK has a lot of accidents, so thatís not an option.

I spoke to the owner of Ventum, rude and no skills to deal with people, so no way. We are actually a group of people, so we all had the same opinion about Ventum.

im still hoping Bartonlini can take me, i got offered a slot but the timing is not good, I will miss it by a week.

Will look more into Hungary, already contacted smart aviation in Poznań and Adriana.

where did you end up going?
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