Is anyone recruiting?
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Is anyone recruiting?
Having read the latest BALPA employment services breif the shoots of recovery do seem to be appearing. I am interested in how much sucess people are having securing positions, and types of responses coming from the airlines ?
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Basically for those without any jet/turboprop experience the outlook is still fairly bleak, ie. for those low hour fATPL'ers I would think it will be at least another year or more before anyone will look at you.
Best bet for those lucky ones chosen is still the CTC ATP scheme.
Best bet for those lucky ones chosen is still the CTC ATP scheme.
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Piperpilot
No i didn't read all the topics on the forum before posting, as i am quite short on time. It is a shame that you couldn't find anything more constructive to write. I'm sure if the powers that be thought i'd duplicated a topic they would remove it, keeping my posting in check is a moderators job not yours!
No i didn't read all the topics on the forum before posting, as i am quite short on time. It is a shame that you couldn't find anything more constructive to write. I'm sure if the powers that be thought i'd duplicated a topic they would remove it, keeping my posting in check is a moderators job not yours!
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Impressive_Wingspan
Dear I.W. there are some early encouraging signs that the jobs market may be starting to open up. My advice is just keep sending out C.V's, targetting the smaller operators and the regionals. Your perseverance will pay off in the end. I'm sure you know all the relevant sources for info, the BALPA employment conferences are a good place to meet some of the right people.
Good luck, it is worth it in the end.
"piper pilot" you will probably remain a Piper pilot with your attitude
Good luck, it is worth it in the end.
"piper pilot" you will probably remain a Piper pilot with your attitude
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The Balpa job conferences are a good place to put faces to names but as far as meeting them. Well it really is a free for all-people pushing and shoving during the lunch break in order to get to one of the speakers to shove their CV in their hand and retort "hullo I've got 152.5 hours!!!"
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Pipistrelle
Thanks for that but I'm not really looking at the moment, well not too hard. Am RHS turboprop and up for command fairly soon (depending on movement in my company that is).
Piperpilot have you ever heard the term "Low grade mental defective". You turned a not unreasonabe question based on honest intrigue (after briefly looking through the wannabes forum) into a slanging match. Like i said it is quite a shame you have nothing more constructive to say.
Thanks for that but I'm not really looking at the moment, well not too hard. Am RHS turboprop and up for command fairly soon (depending on movement in my company that is).
Piperpilot have you ever heard the term "Low grade mental defective". You turned a not unreasonabe question based on honest intrigue (after briefly looking through the wannabes forum) into a slanging match. Like i said it is quite a shame you have nothing more constructive to say.
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Hear Hear,
Piperpilot has posted some pretty immature nonsense on other threads. Don't think he'll be getting far in interviews somehow.
Don't think there is much recruitment going on at the moment. Traditionally a bit quiet at this time of year picking up in the Autumn.
Piperpilot has posted some pretty immature nonsense on other threads. Don't think he'll be getting far in interviews somehow.
Don't think there is much recruitment going on at the moment. Traditionally a bit quiet at this time of year picking up in the Autumn.
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Now let me see:-
According to piperpilot's own poll on this forum, about 47% of the respondents are employed as commercial pilots, with the other 53% being Wanabees.
So, I wonder, just to myself, mind you:-
.... is PPRuNe Wannabes, read by any airline employees, such as F/Os, Captains, Training Captains, OR even recruitement managers?
According to piperpilot's own poll on this forum, about 47% of the respondents are employed as commercial pilots, with the other 53% being Wanabees.
So, I wonder, just to myself, mind you:-
.... is PPRuNe Wannabes, read by any airline employees, such as F/Os, Captains, Training Captains, OR even recruitement managers?
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Piperpilot:-
Go away and pop some more zits sonny. Some of the people on the wannabes threads must wonder why they bother wasting time with the likes of you. Although I do agree with some of the others here - you do provide entertainment. Keep the c**p coming - I do like people who can have a laugh at their own expense (unintentionally I suspect in your case).
I hope they don't bully too much at OATS or wherever it is whose net you have slipped through.
As for passing interviews for airlines, I'll give you a clue ; more than you !!
Go away and pop some more zits sonny. Some of the people on the wannabes threads must wonder why they bother wasting time with the likes of you. Although I do agree with some of the others here - you do provide entertainment. Keep the c**p coming - I do like people who can have a laugh at their own expense (unintentionally I suspect in your case).
I hope they don't bully too much at OATS or wherever it is whose net you have slipped through.
As for passing interviews for airlines, I'll give you a clue ; more than you !!
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Eh - I think PP might have got the message by now!
PP - When you first came on the forum you asked about all sorts and were given good advice.
I suggest you have a read of your postings and see how your attitude has been increasingly supercilious. You should try and turn this around.
Quite apart from this ever affecting you in any future interview (and who's to say that it wont), I do think that you will find the forum far more helpful if you just go after the facts, thank people that help you, ignore the dafter comments and generally cut out the haughty bull!!!!!
All the best,
JH
PP - When you first came on the forum you asked about all sorts and were given good advice.
I suggest you have a read of your postings and see how your attitude has been increasingly supercilious. You should try and turn this around.
Quite apart from this ever affecting you in any future interview (and who's to say that it wont), I do think that you will find the forum far more helpful if you just go after the facts, thank people that help you, ignore the dafter comments and generally cut out the haughty bull!!!!!
All the best,
JH
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To get back to the original thread and the question posed......
Yes, there are jobs out there but unfortunately all airline operators are trying to screw as much as they can out of the
downturn in the market whilst they are able to do so. Crewing
ratios have also been reduced in order to raise 'productivity' thus
further reducing demand due to natural wastage.
Low-cost operators are still expanding ( slight pause with Easyjet/Go deal) but are still trawling for 737 type ratings - how
many more can be out there notwithstanding all our colonial cousins - another debate for another time ! The charter operators
are feeling the pinch to some degree as DHL are in need of substantial numbers of 757 pilots for whom the charter airlines
provide a ready pool. Why go to fly night freight - simple - poor
command prospects in existing company or too close to the bottom end of a seniority list which can make one feel rather
vulnerable.
The next twelve months should see a return to demand - assuming WW3 does not break out in the meantime. The larger
operators will still however require 'quality' time which means
significant jet/medium turboprop hours in the logbook. I know this
is hard to accept for those with thousands of hours in single-engine aircraft but it is a fact of life - it may change but don't hold
your breath. Most of us in decent employment know friends who
are often almost too qualified for the bottom end of the market -
'Why should I employ you to fly my aircraft - you'll be off in five
minutes when a better offer comes along'.
As others have said - don't give up - it will get better BUT sometimes you have to go that extra mile to make sure that you
are ahead of the competition - read into that what you will.......
Yes, there are jobs out there but unfortunately all airline operators are trying to screw as much as they can out of the
downturn in the market whilst they are able to do so. Crewing
ratios have also been reduced in order to raise 'productivity' thus
further reducing demand due to natural wastage.
Low-cost operators are still expanding ( slight pause with Easyjet/Go deal) but are still trawling for 737 type ratings - how
many more can be out there notwithstanding all our colonial cousins - another debate for another time ! The charter operators
are feeling the pinch to some degree as DHL are in need of substantial numbers of 757 pilots for whom the charter airlines
provide a ready pool. Why go to fly night freight - simple - poor
command prospects in existing company or too close to the bottom end of a seniority list which can make one feel rather
vulnerable.
The next twelve months should see a return to demand - assuming WW3 does not break out in the meantime. The larger
operators will still however require 'quality' time which means
significant jet/medium turboprop hours in the logbook. I know this
is hard to accept for those with thousands of hours in single-engine aircraft but it is a fact of life - it may change but don't hold
your breath. Most of us in decent employment know friends who
are often almost too qualified for the bottom end of the market -
'Why should I employ you to fly my aircraft - you'll be off in five
minutes when a better offer comes along'.
As others have said - don't give up - it will get better BUT sometimes you have to go that extra mile to make sure that you
are ahead of the competition - read into that what you will.......
