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Come on, folks, I think PP's got the message now. Don't queue up to take a shot like the famous scene in Airplane.
We're all allowed to make mistakes, more so when young. The key life skill is learning from them and bouncing back.
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We're all allowed to make mistakes, more so when young. The key life skill is learning from them and bouncing back.
foggy.
This summer there is plenty of flying going on.
Most airlines will be making good money and the worst fears post Sept11th are retreating.
There are therefore noises coming out of various airlines about recruitment in the Autumn. I can see all the experienced crews laid off post Sept from the likes of Gill, Virgin, Brit World, BMI et al all being back in airline employment by Christmas.
However I would worry about things then slowing right back down.
Lets face it there are interest rate hikes inbound and a property market making a lot of people very very jittery. A percent on the base rate by Christmas is possible and this will take a lot of discretionary spending out of the market, i.e. when you fret about the mortgage you don't go on second holidays or weekend breaks.
Manufacturing is on its backside and recent gains in output seem to be petering out as the USA stagnates. Mr Browns tax hikes are due to hit next April and the stock market is going nowhere fast for quite some time.
The underlying fundamentals therefore are not great for the next year or so in my highly speculative opinion.
The Charters have millions of unsold holidays on the shelf. The low costers are now reaching saturation in the UK and further growth will be on the continent. The full service carriers are seeing recovery in loads through reduced capacity but those high yielding pax are few and far between.
I did think that we might see a dramatic bounce back from Sept 11. Now I think we are much more likely to see a repeat of the early 1990's. Recovery will be spread over a couple of 3 years.
My advice remains to avoid large training bills associated with Integrated courses if you are not already committed. Gradually adding ratings and hours WHILST keeping a job outside of aviation would seem me to be the most intelligent strategy for the next 12 months.
I currently believe there to be around 800 CPL/IR Frzn ATPL holders in the UK with <500hrs.
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Most airlines will be making good money and the worst fears post Sept11th are retreating.
There are therefore noises coming out of various airlines about recruitment in the Autumn. I can see all the experienced crews laid off post Sept from the likes of Gill, Virgin, Brit World, BMI et al all being back in airline employment by Christmas.
However I would worry about things then slowing right back down.
Lets face it there are interest rate hikes inbound and a property market making a lot of people very very jittery. A percent on the base rate by Christmas is possible and this will take a lot of discretionary spending out of the market, i.e. when you fret about the mortgage you don't go on second holidays or weekend breaks.
Manufacturing is on its backside and recent gains in output seem to be petering out as the USA stagnates. Mr Browns tax hikes are due to hit next April and the stock market is going nowhere fast for quite some time.
The underlying fundamentals therefore are not great for the next year or so in my highly speculative opinion.
The Charters have millions of unsold holidays on the shelf. The low costers are now reaching saturation in the UK and further growth will be on the continent. The full service carriers are seeing recovery in loads through reduced capacity but those high yielding pax are few and far between.
I did think that we might see a dramatic bounce back from Sept 11. Now I think we are much more likely to see a repeat of the early 1990's. Recovery will be spread over a couple of 3 years.
My advice remains to avoid large training bills associated with Integrated courses if you are not already committed. Gradually adding ratings and hours WHILST keeping a job outside of aviation would seem me to be the most intelligent strategy for the next 12 months.
I currently believe there to be around 800 CPL/IR Frzn ATPL holders in the UK with <500hrs.
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Aye, fair do's foggy. Will delete my last.
As stated in another thread I wish him all the best.
all the best,
Gb
Edit to say: But then you get contributions such as in the "Easyjet selection process" thread, c'mon son, learn eh !!
Think about who you're replying to, you will wind people up (without meaning to I'm sure) with continual replys such as that. Just trying to do you a favour here, think about what you write and who you are writing to.
I'm not being "all big and nasty" here, just trying to stop you getting hammered in the future. And it's not as if you have to have "xyz" qualifications or anything to help people on here with good advice, but maybe a bit of relevant experience might be advised before dishing out all sorts of "advice".
Honestly lad I'm not having a pop at you (PP), but please, just think eh !
Of course you can completely ignore what I'm saying (and others)after all it's the moderators who look after the forum, but you may continue to get an e-bashing, and that would be sad.
Please carry on contributing and reading, this is a good forum to learn from, just temper it a bit maybe ? I wish you all the best PP.
(Am I being too critical or what folks ? If so tell me, don't want to appear harsh on the lad).
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As stated in another thread I wish him all the best.
all the best,
Gb
Edit to say: But then you get contributions such as in the "Easyjet selection process" thread, c'mon son, learn eh !!
Think about who you're replying to, you will wind people up (without meaning to I'm sure) with continual replys such as that. Just trying to do you a favour here, think about what you write and who you are writing to.
I'm not being "all big and nasty" here, just trying to stop you getting hammered in the future. And it's not as if you have to have "xyz" qualifications or anything to help people on here with good advice, but maybe a bit of relevant experience might be advised before dishing out all sorts of "advice".
Honestly lad I'm not having a pop at you (PP), but please, just think eh !
Of course you can completely ignore what I'm saying (and others)after all it's the moderators who look after the forum, but you may continue to get an e-bashing, and that would be sad.
Please carry on contributing and reading, this is a good forum to learn from, just temper it a bit maybe ? I wish you all the best PP.
(Am I being too critical or what folks ? If so tell me, don't want to appear harsh on the lad).
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I got my monthly edition of the IPA's Skypointer newsletter yesterday.
This month, to celebrate it's 10th birthday, they reprinted the employment news from Issue 1 in the inside cover. There looked to be considerably more vacancies than this months, printed towards the back.
Lots of nice phases, such as minimum frozen ATPL, type rating not nessessarily required and newly qualified CPL's taken.
To be far, issue 1 was from Sept, so it would include the autumn hiring season.
Only anecdotal, but indicative I believe none the less.
This month, to celebrate it's 10th birthday, they reprinted the employment news from Issue 1 in the inside cover. There looked to be considerably more vacancies than this months, printed towards the back.
Lots of nice phases, such as minimum frozen ATPL, type rating not nessessarily required and newly qualified CPL's taken.
To be far, issue 1 was from Sept, so it would include the autumn hiring season.
Only anecdotal, but indicative I believe none the less.
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Alright son you're obviously not getting it and you will get continually bashed by people, your call. Look at Dave's profile, then re-consider your 17-year old advice to him ?? Does what you say still stand ??? Christ sake, enough of you.
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PP;-
Read your first post on this thread and go away and have a think about things. Perhaps, show it to your Mum and Dad and see what they say because the decent advice you are getting from people on this forum is not registering with the pea rattling around upstairs in that empty vessel.
Read your first post on this thread and go away and have a think about things. Perhaps, show it to your Mum and Dad and see what they say because the decent advice you are getting from people on this forum is not registering with the pea rattling around upstairs in that empty vessel.
The Times carries an interesting column predicting War in the Gulf in the New Year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...351895,00.html
Were this to come about all bets would be off again for industry recovery. Oil proces spike, premium pax and Americans stay at home, security goes ballistic, insurance costs surge, people decide to holiday in Morcombe not Marakesh...
Fingers crossed people,
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...351895,00.html
Were this to come about all bets would be off again for industry recovery. Oil proces spike, premium pax and Americans stay at home, security goes ballistic, insurance costs surge, people decide to holiday in Morcombe not Marakesh...
Fingers crossed people,
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Cant really see it myself, though it seems like some outrageously extravagant speculation if the journo in question dosn't have something to back up his views.
Sounds more symptomatic of the Times slip into obscurity, incapable of plagiarising their own stories was a quote I heard recently, than any threat to world security. I wait to be proved wrong but hell, you want to move a corps to the Arabian desert you'd better start about now.
Sounds more symptomatic of the Times slip into obscurity, incapable of plagiarising their own stories was a quote I heard recently, than any threat to world security. I wait to be proved wrong but hell, you want to move a corps to the Arabian desert you'd better start about now.
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Christ are the Saudi's really going to stage another American invasion of their neighbour? Its not as though Iraq is a threat to Saudi's borders anymore (not that it ever was) and no spin doctor on earth would be able to justify an invasion under the last UN resolution (promote peace and stability in the region?? Yeah lets have a war!), or the possibility that Iraq may be developing nasty 3rd rate weapons.
How the hell is Bush going to get the Gulf states behind him on this? Maybe I'm underestimating the value of the dollar but without foreign basing its a non starter...
Wish I'd payed more attention during Si Murden's middle eastern politics lectures now....
How the hell is Bush going to get the Gulf states behind him on this? Maybe I'm underestimating the value of the dollar but without foreign basing its a non starter...
Wish I'd payed more attention during Si Murden's middle eastern politics lectures now....
Frankly foreign basing is not necessary IF the US decides not to bother with a coalition or UN blessing.
Three Carriers plus half the USMC backed by European based US long range assets could do the job in a jiffy.
Hope not, last thing the industry needs.
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Three Carriers plus half the USMC backed by European based US long range assets could do the job in a jiffy.
Hope not, last thing the industry needs.
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Yes, they are. KLM uk is currently training it's recently re-hired F/Os made redundant in January and has training courses booked every month this year. The first people to be "hired" will be those on Cadet sponsorships and then when those have gone through the system, the applications pile will be sifted. MCC course not required (it's part of the training). Only "normal" people appear to be recruited so now need for 12,000 hours Space Shuttle.
Have fun!
Have fun!
Good news about KLMuk taking back on previously cancelled chaps. Hope similar happens at Britannia soon and Airtours is taking on the cadets they once chopped after Sept11th.
Still nothing over and above what was happening on Sept10th though.
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Still nothing over and above what was happening on Sept10th though.
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More evidence for a New Year war in the Gulf from The Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...354027,00.html
On this forum people rightly spend a great deal of time discussing the state of the hiring market. We all, myself incuded, try to divine what the near future holds. Such estimation is necessary for people to make rational choices about committing to training.
These strong indication of upcoming military conflict are of prime importance to such estimation.
I know you can't go on forever waiting another six months just in case. I know many are already committed and don't want to hear advice not to be.
However, I think there is real merit in postponing another 6 months any major committment to training such as giving up your job, taking out a major loan or completing a time limited rating such as an IR.
All bets will be off if we see Gulf WarII in the New Year.
Seriously. The large airlines in the region will freeze recruiting or lay pilots off to the World market and many will head home - here. Americans generally stay at home during wars to watch CNN. The stock market hates a war and they are quite expensive on taxes.
All in all NOT what the airline industry needs right now.
Fingers crossed that it all never comes to pass.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...354027,00.html
On this forum people rightly spend a great deal of time discussing the state of the hiring market. We all, myself incuded, try to divine what the near future holds. Such estimation is necessary for people to make rational choices about committing to training.
These strong indication of upcoming military conflict are of prime importance to such estimation.
I know you can't go on forever waiting another six months just in case. I know many are already committed and don't want to hear advice not to be.
However, I think there is real merit in postponing another 6 months any major committment to training such as giving up your job, taking out a major loan or completing a time limited rating such as an IR.
All bets will be off if we see Gulf WarII in the New Year.
Seriously. The large airlines in the region will freeze recruiting or lay pilots off to the World market and many will head home - here. Americans generally stay at home during wars to watch CNN. The stock market hates a war and they are quite expensive on taxes.
All in all NOT what the airline industry needs right now.
Fingers crossed that it all never comes to pass.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...358038,00.html
Yet more indication that the UK is headed for coalition military action in Iraq in the early New Year.
People - keep an eye on this. The industry recovery and related hiring that we are just starting to see would almost certainly be snuffed out by a major campaign.
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Yet more indication that the UK is headed for coalition military action in Iraq in the early New Year.
People - keep an eye on this. The industry recovery and related hiring that we are just starting to see would almost certainly be snuffed out by a major campaign.
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I would not get unduly worried.
For centuries, the notion of political posture, and political act, and military action have been used in different means and measures, and are often contrary to one another.
It seems though that the media do not understand the connection and relevance of each, however.
What is of more consequence is the state of economies and restoring faith in capitalism. I think all would agree war would not help. You only need to look to India and Pakistan to realise what the sentiments of the super-powers are to war. Invasion/strike on Iraq would have such de-stabilising actions in the region, that it would be de-stabilising around the world, not to mention India/Pakistan.
For centuries, the notion of political posture, and political act, and military action have been used in different means and measures, and are often contrary to one another.
It seems though that the media do not understand the connection and relevance of each, however.
What is of more consequence is the state of economies and restoring faith in capitalism. I think all would agree war would not help. You only need to look to India and Pakistan to realise what the sentiments of the super-powers are to war. Invasion/strike on Iraq would have such de-stabilising actions in the region, that it would be de-stabilising around the world, not to mention India/Pakistan.
WWW, Dubya doesn’t have the same ME support that his father enjoyed in 1991. One only has to look at Colin Powells Middle Eastern journey a couple of months ago to see that. Any US Military attempt to force Saddam out of power will not only result in Gulf War 2, but very likely World War 3. I’m therefore not really worried about my job prospects, I’m worried about my life!
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Any idea how many cadets My Travel are taking on?
I heard a rumour that it may be as many as 20+ but also
that if they take too many there would be an experience shortfall
when commands come around.
I heard a rumour that it may be as many as 20+ but also
that if they take too many there would be an experience shortfall
when commands come around.