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in4thecheap...
You sound like an absolute w****r!! How does a professional pilot have such an ill informed opinion of the UAS? Without a doubt it provides exceptional flying training and a fantastic social life. Awesome happy hours, great parties and annual ski trips.
Never once did I polish any shoes on the weekend, and all the flying was done from Boscombe mid week leaving the w/e for heroic student activities!
Remember that comments like yours might be taken to heart by some interested in a career in the RAF. You never know, your ill informed rubbish might convince someone not to fill out that OASC application form.
Your ideal lifestyle sounds very like that of Jim Royle's! What a great advert you are for BA - you must be a great companion on a bucket and spade brigade red eye to Malaga.
If you want awesome flying and a great social life then join the UAS, it was grrrreeeat!
(Rant over)
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: Al Titude ]
You sound like an absolute w****r!! How does a professional pilot have such an ill informed opinion of the UAS? Without a doubt it provides exceptional flying training and a fantastic social life. Awesome happy hours, great parties and annual ski trips.
Never once did I polish any shoes on the weekend, and all the flying was done from Boscombe mid week leaving the w/e for heroic student activities!
Remember that comments like yours might be taken to heart by some interested in a career in the RAF. You never know, your ill informed rubbish might convince someone not to fill out that OASC application form.
Your ideal lifestyle sounds very like that of Jim Royle's! What a great advert you are for BA - you must be a great companion on a bucket and spade brigade red eye to Malaga.
If you want awesome flying and a great social life then join the UAS, it was grrrreeeat!
(Rant over)
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InIt4TheCheapFlights - What got you scrubbed then, aptitude or medical!
Get a grip. UAS bars are the cheapest and best way to get lashed for as cheap as possible if your a student. The social life on a squadron can make a lifeless uni/degree far more interesting; and I havent even started on the flying side of it yet!
You clearly know nothing about either the UAS or the RAF if you think that all the pilots and student pilots polish their shoes and iron creases in their flying suits of an evening.
Of course you could be jealous that they are pulling all the girls whilst you are ironing your nice short sleeved white shirt or polishing your stripe.
As for RAF FJ pilots killing innocent civilians, I dont beleive I have ever read a more Bull**** comment in my entire time on PPRune. Why dont you take your time doing crap all on the jolly to Barbados thinking about the guys working their arse off in ****holes overseas doing a REAL job. Maybe then your impotent opinion might hold some sort of credibility.
For those that are interested in the UAS system, make up your own opinion. Its for some and not for others but dont listen to uninformed views from complete wannabe never succeeded types like InIt4TheCheapFlights!
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: Bervie ]
Get a grip. UAS bars are the cheapest and best way to get lashed for as cheap as possible if your a student. The social life on a squadron can make a lifeless uni/degree far more interesting; and I havent even started on the flying side of it yet!
You clearly know nothing about either the UAS or the RAF if you think that all the pilots and student pilots polish their shoes and iron creases in their flying suits of an evening.
Of course you could be jealous that they are pulling all the girls whilst you are ironing your nice short sleeved white shirt or polishing your stripe.
As for RAF FJ pilots killing innocent civilians, I dont beleive I have ever read a more Bull**** comment in my entire time on PPRune. Why dont you take your time doing crap all on the jolly to Barbados thinking about the guys working their arse off in ****holes overseas doing a REAL job. Maybe then your impotent opinion might hold some sort of credibility.
For those that are interested in the UAS system, make up your own opinion. Its for some and not for others but dont listen to uninformed views from complete wannabe never succeeded types like InIt4TheCheapFlights!
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I totally agree with the last post.
The last thing we need on this thread is ill-informed chat from people who are obviously bitter about being turned down by the RAF.
It's a shame that someone who has been knocked back has to be so bitter against the RAF because it blatantly appealed enough for them to apply in the first place.
Anyone keen on joining a UAS - Get some decent info from http://www.dur.ac.uk/nuas
Anyone refused - Find another job and stop whinging!
Anyone flying BA - Hope you don't get stuck next to Bitter boy! FO's need not worry...this guy will never make captain!
Gripe over
TK
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The last thing we need on this thread is ill-informed chat from people who are obviously bitter about being turned down by the RAF.
It's a shame that someone who has been knocked back has to be so bitter against the RAF because it blatantly appealed enough for them to apply in the first place.
Anyone keen on joining a UAS - Get some decent info from http://www.dur.ac.uk/nuas
Anyone refused - Find another job and stop whinging!
Anyone flying BA - Hope you don't get stuck next to Bitter boy! FO's need not worry...this guy will never make captain!
Gripe over
TK
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Init, so you sat around and watched telly all day rather than join a UAS? - sucker, I envy your get up and go attitude, you must be a real laugh.
Never mind if you had joined you wouldn't have enjoyed the best social life in uni and all that free flying, money, fun, cheap beer etc etc. Don't remember ironing a shirt or bulling shoes either (UWAS).
Oh yes whilst we're on the subject the best is most definitely UWAS, any other Mumbles run veterans out there?
Never mind if you had joined you wouldn't have enjoyed the best social life in uni and all that free flying, money, fun, cheap beer etc etc. Don't remember ironing a shirt or bulling shoes either (UWAS).
Oh yes whilst we're on the subject the best is most definitely UWAS, any other Mumbles run veterans out there?
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Boys, boys, boys. I don't know how many of you have met Flipper or myself over the summer, but I think we both prove that there is ample room for the UAS and a "normal" student life down the bar. There also seems to be some confusion about who the best UAS is. Well, its the one that has won the Scone Trophy the most, and the one that also won the shooting over the summer at Bisley. 
Oh, and ScottishSteve, would Flipper be your "mentor" by any chance? If so, see you Thursday at the Butchart.
Oh, and ScottishSteve, would Flipper be your "mentor" by any chance? If so, see you Thursday at the Butchart.
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I couldn't possible comment on who the best UAS was, all I can say is that LUAS were DEFINITELY THE WORST! 
Shandy drinking poofters!!
As you can probably see, one of the best thing was the spirit of the UAS', and the absolute lack of any rivalry between Squadrons - hee hee.
Init4theCheapFlights - if you weren't in it, how can you comment? UAS may not help you get sponsored by BA, but it will with all the other sponsorships (Airlines that actually want to recruit Pilots who love flying and not BANKERS (with a dubya) who are in it for the money). Looked at a picture from my summer camp yesterday, and realised that 22 out of 33 of us were flying professionally (fairly evenly split between RAF and Airline).
You certainly didn't HAVE to join the RAF to be in the UAS when I was there, you can certianly get up to 2 years flying without going to Cranwell.
[ 27 November 2001: Message edited by: Propellerhead ]
Shandy drinking poofters!! As you can probably see, one of the best thing was the spirit of the UAS', and the absolute lack of any rivalry between Squadrons - hee hee.
Init4theCheapFlights - if you weren't in it, how can you comment? UAS may not help you get sponsored by BA, but it will with all the other sponsorships (Airlines that actually want to recruit Pilots who love flying and not BANKERS (with a dubya) who are in it for the money). Looked at a picture from my summer camp yesterday, and realised that 22 out of 33 of us were flying professionally (fairly evenly split between RAF and Airline).
You certainly didn't HAVE to join the RAF to be in the UAS when I was there, you can certianly get up to 2 years flying without going to Cranwell.
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You get out of the UAS only as much as you put in. There is no requirement to join the RAF (unless you have a bursary) but we will, ofcourse, try and convince you if we think you would be suitable.
The UAS system is nothing like air cadets so you will do very little drill and such like (though there is a bit for Rememberance Day).
The flying and instruction is excellent, but, it is fairly hard work and we expect a high standard. We work hard and play hard. Yes, the bar is cheap, but that is not the only reason to try and join.
If you have a genuine interest in aviation, the RAF, and having a great time then give it a go, however, anyone wishing to will have to wait til next year as all recruiting is finished. Competition is tough and there are few places. Well done to all those who got in this year, no matter which UAS you joined. Enjoy the flying.
Init4theCheapFlights,
Ummmm........what can I say. Odd views for some one obviously interested in aviation. Still, your loss (and probably our gain).
Tonks
The UAS system is nothing like air cadets so you will do very little drill and such like (though there is a bit for Rememberance Day).
The flying and instruction is excellent, but, it is fairly hard work and we expect a high standard. We work hard and play hard. Yes, the bar is cheap, but that is not the only reason to try and join.
If you have a genuine interest in aviation, the RAF, and having a great time then give it a go, however, anyone wishing to will have to wait til next year as all recruiting is finished. Competition is tough and there are few places. Well done to all those who got in this year, no matter which UAS you joined. Enjoy the flying.
Init4theCheapFlights,
Ummmm........what can I say. Odd views for some one obviously interested in aviation. Still, your loss (and probably our gain).
Tonks
Sadly even BA's selection processes occasionally fail, it would appear......
I concede that the UAS may not be everyone's cup of tea - but those who are accepted usually can't get enough of it! And it does beat the heck out of watching daytime TV.
Most of my students never ironed a shirt, cleaned their boots once a term, wore uniform once a year - but partied hard, drank their own body weight in beer, ate enough curry to keep the curry houses smiling, flew ragged circuits but reasonable aerobatics (except one who referred to that as 'aerobation'! You know who you are...), bounced eachother in the local area and thought we didn't know, chased the oppsite sex at each and every opportunity......
"Gosh, Babynigel, I did this really amazing ILS at Malaga last week. Almost as good as the one the previous week. And the one before that, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............."
I concede that the UAS may not be everyone's cup of tea - but those who are accepted usually can't get enough of it! And it does beat the heck out of watching daytime TV.
Most of my students never ironed a shirt, cleaned their boots once a term, wore uniform once a year - but partied hard, drank their own body weight in beer, ate enough curry to keep the curry houses smiling, flew ragged circuits but reasonable aerobatics (except one who referred to that as 'aerobation'! You know who you are...), bounced eachother in the local area and thought we didn't know, chased the oppsite sex at each and every opportunity......
"Gosh, Babynigel, I did this really amazing ILS at Malaga last week. Almost as good as the one the previous week. And the one before that, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............."
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Obviously none of you slacking student types have ever heard of direct entry then! No, honestly, UASs are a great (The best) way to get lots of flying experience, however, I'd say you are being very short-sighted if you plan to use them simply as an 'hour factory'. You must be willing, at least for the time you are on board, to undertake a military life-style, so either open your mind, and consider the Air Force as a possible career route (They're going to be paying for it, remember) or look elsewhere for a source of your civil hours. Remember, most hours spent with military instructors do NOT count on civvy tickets.
Dukeyboy - see GID21V4 on the www.srg.caa.co.uk website and I think you'll find that UAS hours certainly do count towards JAR/FCL licences. But you're right - the UASs won't have much interest in an 'hours builder'!!
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I know this board should be over with now that the original question was answered, however I feel that although I may be a young, naive student even I am lucky enough to be smarter than the prat that is 'CheapFlights'.
I always wanted to be CEP@BA (who doesnt when at school) however now I am in UAS, I feel a lot more open to the Idea of RAF then DEP...even RAF period! How you CheapFlights can say such guff i'll never understand. God help me if im ever stuck at your right hand side because CRM will go right out the window.
You have every right to come on here and say your piece, but you should realise that someone in the position I was not long ago might be reading this and (sadly) LISTEN to what you have to say...and ruin their dreams.
Just because you didn't get in don't be bitter all these years later. Prat.
ScottishSteve(not UAStSAS or whatever it is)
I always wanted to be CEP@BA (who doesnt when at school) however now I am in UAS, I feel a lot more open to the Idea of RAF then DEP...even RAF period! How you CheapFlights can say such guff i'll never understand. God help me if im ever stuck at your right hand side because CRM will go right out the window.
You have every right to come on here and say your piece, but you should realise that someone in the position I was not long ago might be reading this and (sadly) LISTEN to what you have to say...and ruin their dreams.
Just because you didn't get in don't be bitter all these years later. Prat.
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Easily the best thing I did at Uni. If you want to fly for a living in any capacity the UAS is the best (and certainly cheapest!) way to get experience.
Whether you join the RAF or not, the UAS is a certainly good introduction to the lifestyle. If you don't the experience certainly helps with commercial selection/sponsorship procedures. (It did with me: my interviewer was an ex-Navy helicopter pilot. We ended up talking about strip clubs, I kid you not!)
Along the way you might even have some fun, fantastic flying and some incredible experiences: Harrier GR7 simulator, Nimrod at 6000' over the English channel and Hawk back-seat rides. Beats Richard and Judy in my book. Don't knock it till you try...
Whether you join the RAF or not, the UAS is a certainly good introduction to the lifestyle. If you don't the experience certainly helps with commercial selection/sponsorship procedures. (It did with me: my interviewer was an ex-Navy helicopter pilot. We ended up talking about strip clubs, I kid you not!)
Along the way you might even have some fun, fantastic flying and some incredible experiences: Harrier GR7 simulator, Nimrod at 6000' over the English channel and Hawk back-seat rides. Beats Richard and Judy in my book. Don't knock it till you try...
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Clearly I must have had the best of both worlds - daytime TV AND flying (however it could also explain only 50 hours in 2 years). Oh well, s**t happens.
Nice to see that I'm not the only one trying to discourage hours builders from taking places on UAS's away from genuine applicants (like me!), but I would still rather sit next to one than "init". There was me thinking all the hot air on airliners came out of my @rse or the noisy bits under the wings!!! As for CRM - well "init" would be out of the window first!
Yes, the UAS is great - loads of beer (cheap), curry & pizza (also cheap), good looking birds (even better if they are cheap too) and tons of flying (FREEEE!!!!!). Do not confuse with the pointless existence ot the ATC, as a punch on the nose often offends. It is perfectly possible to have a great Uni social life AND a great time in the UAS - clearly the reason why NUAS really is the greatest UAS. The only dull bit, and not everybody's cup of tea, is the formal stuff, but if you want to join the RAF and fly real aeroplanes then you must suffer some hardship in the process. RAF life too can be rather dull at times - it's not all tea and medals you know! However, the formal dining in nights can be a hoot (I know ours are), FREE beer and plenty of good looking birds to chase so long as your mates back is turned (if you know what I mean).
If you can handle strapping on a GR7 every day and being paid for the privelige, then sign up now! If not, well I'm sure "init" is a real joy to work with.
Enjoy and have a nice life.
Nice to see that I'm not the only one trying to discourage hours builders from taking places on UAS's away from genuine applicants (like me!), but I would still rather sit next to one than "init". There was me thinking all the hot air on airliners came out of my @rse or the noisy bits under the wings!!! As for CRM - well "init" would be out of the window first!
Yes, the UAS is great - loads of beer (cheap), curry & pizza (also cheap), good looking birds (even better if they are cheap too) and tons of flying (FREEEE!!!!!). Do not confuse with the pointless existence ot the ATC, as a punch on the nose often offends. It is perfectly possible to have a great Uni social life AND a great time in the UAS - clearly the reason why NUAS really is the greatest UAS. The only dull bit, and not everybody's cup of tea, is the formal stuff, but if you want to join the RAF and fly real aeroplanes then you must suffer some hardship in the process. RAF life too can be rather dull at times - it's not all tea and medals you know! However, the formal dining in nights can be a hoot (I know ours are), FREE beer and plenty of good looking birds to chase so long as your mates back is turned (if you know what I mean).
If you can handle strapping on a GR7 every day and being paid for the privelige, then sign up now! If not, well I'm sure "init" is a real joy to work with.
Enjoy and have a nice life.
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Well they are only good looking when you are pissed at the annual dinner AND your mate isn't looking to give you banter about it for the next ten years!
I'd like to echo what Drippy says about people joining to build hours: you will be VERY disappointed as you will be found out by the staff, and not really enjoy the time you are there. Military flying needs commitment and interest to succeed, not a fake interest to get hours. The resources are scare enough for those of us who are trying to find out about RAF life genuinely: in my case having been exposed to BA my whole life I wanted to see what it was about and have done 2 years and not carried on so I can focus my energy on my final year and possibly apply in the New Year, having seen what life is like.
Init: a quarter of your colleagues (approx) are ex-military or UAS and I'm sure you'll be popular downroute if you say that to their faces. This may be anonymous, but if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, it isn't worth saying at all. I doubt even with the load factors your staff travel gets you to Barbados often, and 75s certainly don't go there. In fact about 80% of the most recent BA TEP courses I've seen have been ex-UAS and I've come across many when winging my way around the globe.
NUAS is the only UAS worth joining.
Yes I know I've blown my cover...
I'd like to echo what Drippy says about people joining to build hours: you will be VERY disappointed as you will be found out by the staff, and not really enjoy the time you are there. Military flying needs commitment and interest to succeed, not a fake interest to get hours. The resources are scare enough for those of us who are trying to find out about RAF life genuinely: in my case having been exposed to BA my whole life I wanted to see what it was about and have done 2 years and not carried on so I can focus my energy on my final year and possibly apply in the New Year, having seen what life is like.
Init: a quarter of your colleagues (approx) are ex-military or UAS and I'm sure you'll be popular downroute if you say that to their faces. This may be anonymous, but if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, it isn't worth saying at all. I doubt even with the load factors your staff travel gets you to Barbados often, and 75s certainly don't go there. In fact about 80% of the most recent BA TEP courses I've seen have been ex-UAS and I've come across many when winging my way around the globe.
NUAS is the only UAS worth joining.
Yes I know I've blown my cover...
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Propellerhead -An ex-MASUAS (you know the next three words..) student on-line???
...Was Star Trek not on??(tee-hee)
Think you'll find most LUAS students propping up a bar somewhere(drinking proper stuff) or chasing women (or both) and far too busy to reply. In fact only replying myself as I've just been kicked out of the pub. Nuff said....
Seriously, -Fantastic Flying, Great times with superb people. Worth having a go if you're considering the RAF.
Back to the beer.......
PS Everybody knows Liverpool UAS is truly the finest UAS in the land. I thankyou..
...Was Star Trek not on??(tee-hee)
Think you'll find most LUAS students propping up a bar somewhere(drinking proper stuff) or chasing women (or both) and far too busy to reply. In fact only replying myself as I've just been kicked out of the pub. Nuff said....
Seriously, -Fantastic Flying, Great times with superb people. Worth having a go if you're considering the RAF.
Back to the beer.......
PS Everybody knows Liverpool UAS is truly the finest UAS in the land. I thankyou..
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Init4, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember in the recent past something in the news about a couple of 767/757 type aircraft killing some 5000 innocent people. Don't think the RAF (and especially not any UAS) achieving such remarkable figures since WWII. Hope to have the pleasure of your company at some point in the future to explain this face to face!
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Mr B. Tupp,
UGSAS was most certainly NOT the best UAS the year they shared Woodvale with the mighty EMUAS, we out drank you in the bar at every happy hour and you even came to us for tips on organising youre moose party the second time round coz youre first one had been such a **** up
Dont know if you were about then but I wonder if any of your guys ever claimed their sporrans back from our crewroom at Newton
Can't comment on the current state of play with the plastic plane (no more grass airfields either
) but the key ingredients were and always will be fantastic FREE flying, excellent social life (in a cheap, not for profit bar) and mates youll have for life. What could be better?
p.s. was anyone out there at the DeHavilland competition at Cosford in 95 when the wx was shiite so we stacked to the bar and built a tower of beer barrels, lost all feeling in my left arm for 3 weeks after being on the bottom of the pyramid, wonderful days
UGSAS was most certainly NOT the best UAS the year they shared Woodvale with the mighty EMUAS, we out drank you in the bar at every happy hour and you even came to us for tips on organising youre moose party the second time round coz youre first one had been such a **** up
Dont know if you were about then but I wonder if any of your guys ever claimed their sporrans back from our crewroom at Newton
Can't comment on the current state of play with the plastic plane (no more grass airfields either
) but the key ingredients were and always will be fantastic FREE flying, excellent social life (in a cheap, not for profit bar) and mates youll have for life. What could be better?p.s. was anyone out there at the DeHavilland competition at Cosford in 95 when the wx was shiite so we stacked to the bar and built a tower of beer barrels, lost all feeling in my left arm for 3 weeks after being on the bottom of the pyramid, wonderful days
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I noticed on the Durham UAS that they say that perfect eyesight is required....Iam in my first year of Sixth Form and am looking at universities to join etc.
As you may have guessed, I don't have perfect eyesight, unless I wear glasses. I hae flown in the Grobs shown on the website with my RAF cadets at school and was wondering if they accept aplicants, like myself, who don't have "perfect eyesight".
Can someone please give me abit of info on that please??
As you may have guessed, I don't have perfect eyesight, unless I wear glasses. I hae flown in the Grobs shown on the website with my RAF cadets at school and was wondering if they accept aplicants, like myself, who don't have "perfect eyesight".
Can someone please give me abit of info on that please??
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The eyesight regulations are a much talked about topic within the RAF and indeed the UAS.
You mention wearing glasses. Looking at past applicants I know of I'd say there isn't really much chance of being accepted by the RAF as a pilot.
I don't think you have to have "perfect" vision but I do know they are very strict with the medical guidelines.
You might want to contact OASC for a better answer.
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The eyesight regulations are a much talked about topic within the RAF and indeed the UAS.
You mention wearing glasses. Looking at past applicants I know of I'd say there isn't really much chance of being accepted by the RAF as a pilot.
I don't think you have to have "perfect" vision but I do know they are very strict with the medical guidelines.
You might want to contact OASC for a better answer.
TK
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I managed to knock up just under 100hrs while on the Premier Air Squadron, graduating a couple of years ago. This summer, I got my arse (and wallet) into gear to get my PPL(A) sorted.
The new CAA/JAA regulations allow all military flying to count, hour for hour (+5%), towards a JAR-FCL.
Despite this, it still took me a further 15hrs at Oxford's PFT...
About 3 hours were spent converting to the T67, learning checks/upper-air work/civie circuits; 2 hours on Nav Revision; a further 2 hours on a Cross-Country check ride, 3 hours solo doing the Qualifying Cross Country, and 2 hours on the Skills test. Between all that was the odd solo flight, and a couple of wx-aborted cross country attempts (the arse being that I could have completed both of them with my PIFG).
You see, the JAR requirements are for you to have flown a xc flight over a certain distance, landing at two separate airfields before returning home. In the UAS, we were lucky to get a single land-away, let alone a double - hence I had to pay for the lot in civie street.
Now, if you already have a PPL, the UAS is NOT a good place for hours building: Very little of the course is as Captain. I had 87hrs dual, and just 11.5 hours P1.
The new CAA/JAA regulations allow all military flying to count, hour for hour (+5%), towards a JAR-FCL.
Despite this, it still took me a further 15hrs at Oxford's PFT...
About 3 hours were spent converting to the T67, learning checks/upper-air work/civie circuits; 2 hours on Nav Revision; a further 2 hours on a Cross-Country check ride, 3 hours solo doing the Qualifying Cross Country, and 2 hours on the Skills test. Between all that was the odd solo flight, and a couple of wx-aborted cross country attempts (the arse being that I could have completed both of them with my PIFG).
You see, the JAR requirements are for you to have flown a xc flight over a certain distance, landing at two separate airfields before returning home. In the UAS, we were lucky to get a single land-away, let alone a double - hence I had to pay for the lot in civie street.
Now, if you already have a PPL, the UAS is NOT a good place for hours building: Very little of the course is as Captain. I had 87hrs dual, and just 11.5 hours P1.