Wannabes and pilots, don't panic it will work out.
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I don't mind CrashBarrier making his comments, he is free to do that on PPRuNe as everyone is.
But I do take him up on one or two points.
Show me where I said that an upturn was "round the corner"! What I did say was "think long and hard about what you want to do. Perhaps you could take it in short strides, one thing at a time". To take cognizance of what all the options are. But don't give up. There is no reason to do that.
The rest is made up out of context but so long as you are not abusive feel free. I am not ashamed of anything I have said, I have dealt in past FACTS, the facts of the future are outside my realm.
What WWW has said in essence is delay taking any steps that will cost you loads of money. I cannot disagree with that. But I do disagree if he suggesting that you should lay back and don't do anything at all. There is much that you can do while you wait to see what happens over the next month or so without spending heaps of money. It will be clearer then, much clearer.
I repeat what I said before. The bounce back might be more difficult, it might be longer than usual but it will happen. It must happen because there will always be airlines.
The savage cuts we are seeing now is very bad news but what can an airline do? There is NO alternative, they have to do it. But they will still operate and normality in it's different forms will return.
After all, do you imagine that when people's confidence returns, as it will, they won't want to get back to normal?
I stand by what I have said, I just wanted to clear up one or two points that I do not wish to be associated with. Especially when I didn't utter them!
I don't mind CrashBarrier making his comments, he is free to do that on PPRuNe as everyone is.
But I do take him up on one or two points.
The talk of an upturn 'round the corner' surely is premature, what wannabes nead to hear is sound solid advice from people in the know (supposedly like you), before they shell out loads of money that they cannot afford to pay back.
The rest is made up out of context but so long as you are not abusive feel free. I am not ashamed of anything I have said, I have dealt in past FACTS, the facts of the future are outside my realm.
What WWW has said in essence is delay taking any steps that will cost you loads of money. I cannot disagree with that. But I do disagree if he suggesting that you should lay back and don't do anything at all. There is much that you can do while you wait to see what happens over the next month or so without spending heaps of money. It will be clearer then, much clearer.
I repeat what I said before. The bounce back might be more difficult, it might be longer than usual but it will happen. It must happen because there will always be airlines.
The savage cuts we are seeing now is very bad news but what can an airline do? There is NO alternative, they have to do it. But they will still operate and normality in it's different forms will return.
After all, do you imagine that when people's confidence returns, as it will, they won't want to get back to normal?
I stand by what I have said, I just wanted to clear up one or two points that I do not wish to be associated with. Especially when I didn't utter them!
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I think that if you study my, IFR's and WWW's posts you will see that we are all saying the same thing. There might be slight differences of emphasis, but not in the basic message. That is, if you haven't got it already: times are going to be very tough for a while. The length of the downturn might be 6 months, it might be 3 years. Who knows? But if you have the flexibility to delay the start of your integrated training, then you might like to consider doing so.
Those who have no choice but to enter the jobs market now or soon, you will be up against people like me for those jobs, at least for a while. I have 25 years in the flying business and over 9000 hours. I also have 20+ years flying still in me. There will be 300 others with varying amounts of serious jet experience in this market also out there. If anyone is recruiting within the next 12 months (and they will be, sooner or later), these 300 or more will be top of the list. Those of you with 200 hours and an fATPL are not going to be well-placed for a while.
But things will improve. Some of the redundant pilots will leave the business - there will be a fair few who are near retirement anyway. Some of the less strong-willed amongst the wannabes will also give up; this is just a fact of life. I would bet that the subsequent upturn in aviation will be as strong and almost as rapid as this downturn, but the question is when it will happen? Who knows.
At the end of the day, this is such an unusual situation that no-one has many answers we can rely on. It's a good time to wait for a while. However, if you've got a few bob you can spare (don't use your CDL!), you could do worse than buy BA shares at £1.40-odd. There are fortunes going to be made when they recover!
Those who have no choice but to enter the jobs market now or soon, you will be up against people like me for those jobs, at least for a while. I have 25 years in the flying business and over 9000 hours. I also have 20+ years flying still in me. There will be 300 others with varying amounts of serious jet experience in this market also out there. If anyone is recruiting within the next 12 months (and they will be, sooner or later), these 300 or more will be top of the list. Those of you with 200 hours and an fATPL are not going to be well-placed for a while.
But things will improve. Some of the redundant pilots will leave the business - there will be a fair few who are near retirement anyway. Some of the less strong-willed amongst the wannabes will also give up; this is just a fact of life. I would bet that the subsequent upturn in aviation will be as strong and almost as rapid as this downturn, but the question is when it will happen? Who knows.
At the end of the day, this is such an unusual situation that no-one has many answers we can rely on. It's a good time to wait for a while. However, if you've got a few bob you can spare (don't use your CDL!), you could do worse than buy BA shares at £1.40-odd. There are fortunes going to be made when they recover!
Gill Airways have gone into receivorship as of 11.30 this morning.
Best guess is that this releases around 40 experienced airline pilots onto the market. I wish them the very best of luck in finding alternative employment asap.
However this does mean for the average Wannabe that their application is now 40odd down the list.
Gentleman, this is not good.
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Best guess is that this releases around 40 experienced airline pilots onto the market. I wish them the very best of luck in finding alternative employment asap.
However this does mean for the average Wannabe that their application is now 40odd down the list.
Gentleman, this is not good.
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IFR,
I seriously doubt that passenger 'confidence'
will ever return to the levels we have seen
prior to last weeks events. An attack such as this on the aviation industry has never been seen before, in terms of sheer scale and loss of life so publicly. It will be etched on our minds forever, so it is futile in my opinion to even consider wannabe training for the next 5 years at least, in any country.
How can you seriously compare these events to what has previously happened in the aviation industry ??? Previous events pale in comparison.
and of course there is the small matter of insurance policies, as being discussed on the Rumour forum......
I seriously doubt that passenger 'confidence'
will ever return to the levels we have seen
prior to last weeks events. An attack such as this on the aviation industry has never been seen before, in terms of sheer scale and loss of life so publicly. It will be etched on our minds forever, so it is futile in my opinion to even consider wannabe training for the next 5 years at least, in any country.
How can you seriously compare these events to what has previously happened in the aviation industry ??? Previous events pale in comparison.
and of course there is the small matter of insurance policies, as being discussed on the Rumour forum......
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I want to make one thing VERY clear. I have NO intention of arguing any of the points I have made.
Except that passenger confidence has always returned! Always, over the years, as figures published by the CAA show if you would like to spend a few pounds.
And the one thing I will NOT tolerate is anyone using my thread, posted in good faith, trying to put down the wannabes.
As Scroggs has said, we are basically talking the same language, but I happen to have a different view based upon 24 years of experience and historical data, which in it's own way, is what people who started NEW airlines, or rejuvinated their own, based ALL their decisions on. Scroggs quite rightly made the point that there will be pilots of high hours and such.
Historically, that does NOT prevent pilots with low hours entering the industry.
With some difficulty they have nearly always found a place. And let us not forget that high hours pilots have often been passed over for lower hours pilots to further save money.
Sorry Scroggs, but that is a fact that you, and people like you, might have to get used to. It helps the airline get back into profit if they seriously ALTER their pay scales. There no differential when it comes to survival.
I want to make one thing VERY clear. I have NO intention of arguing any of the points I have made.
Except that passenger confidence has always returned! Always, over the years, as figures published by the CAA show if you would like to spend a few pounds.
And the one thing I will NOT tolerate is anyone using my thread, posted in good faith, trying to put down the wannabes.
As Scroggs has said, we are basically talking the same language, but I happen to have a different view based upon 24 years of experience and historical data, which in it's own way, is what people who started NEW airlines, or rejuvinated their own, based ALL their decisions on. Scroggs quite rightly made the point that there will be pilots of high hours and such.
Historically, that does NOT prevent pilots with low hours entering the industry.
With some difficulty they have nearly always found a place. And let us not forget that high hours pilots have often been passed over for lower hours pilots to further save money.
Sorry Scroggs, but that is a fact that you, and people like you, might have to get used to. It helps the airline get back into profit if they seriously ALTER their pay scales. There no differential when it comes to survival.
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It will recover, but it will take time. And it was really bad in 1991. I was on several transatlantic flights (as PAX) at the time when passenger loads were below 50 on 747s. No one was flying unless they had to. Corporate America was going through a really bad time as well, so business travel was well down. Most airlines were in trouble and some folded. That's exactly what we are seeing today.
When will it recover? Who knows, but many businesses are predicting an upturn (praying?) by the middle of next year. Business confidence will help the airlines (business travellers are guys who make yields look good). Consumer confidence and consumer travel will return after that - and it's nearly 2003.
It's going to be very difficult until at least then.
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When will it recover? Who knows, but many businesses are predicting an upturn (praying?) by the middle of next year. Business confidence will help the airlines (business travellers are guys who make yields look good). Consumer confidence and consumer travel will return after that - and it's nearly 2003.
It's going to be very difficult until at least then.
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sorry, mate, but you're talking from out your arse! Whatever else characterises the air passenger market, long memory isn't a factor. The passengers will return, eventually, and in greater numbers than we had last year. Doubt me? I'm happy to bet many thousands of pounds on it! All of aviation history backs me up. Don't suggest that last week was the worst thing ever to hit aviation; tragic as it undoubtedly was, it bears no comparison to past wars - at least for now.
IFR - I'm well aware that I could be on the aviation scrapheap at 45, but I'm not planning on it! Virgin is a very mediocre payer, so I don't believe that staff remuneration is a major issue - unlike in the US airlines. And we don't have a preponderance of expensive, near-retirement pilots like BA. I plan to fight a while yet! But I most certainly agree that there will be opportunities even for the least experienced right now. Some airlines will always need to employ at the lowest rates, and therefore wannabes will always have a way in.
There are, though, problems to come that we haven't yet thought through. Insurance is the story of the day. The airlines have a long way to go to get through this.
sorry, mate, but you're talking from out your arse! Whatever else characterises the air passenger market, long memory isn't a factor. The passengers will return, eventually, and in greater numbers than we had last year. Doubt me? I'm happy to bet many thousands of pounds on it! All of aviation history backs me up. Don't suggest that last week was the worst thing ever to hit aviation; tragic as it undoubtedly was, it bears no comparison to past wars - at least for now.
IFR - I'm well aware that I could be on the aviation scrapheap at 45, but I'm not planning on it! Virgin is a very mediocre payer, so I don't believe that staff remuneration is a major issue - unlike in the US airlines. And we don't have a preponderance of expensive, near-retirement pilots like BA. I plan to fight a while yet! But I most certainly agree that there will be opportunities even for the least experienced right now. Some airlines will always need to employ at the lowest rates, and therefore wannabes will always have a way in.
There are, though, problems to come that we haven't yet thought through. Insurance is the story of the day. The airlines have a long way to go to get through this.
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WWW, there is a banned book around somewhere called 'Self-administered Euthanasia' or something. Perhaps you should seek out a copy and spare us your doom and gloom rhetoric.
Every time someone contributes a vaguely optimistic message you just have to counter it with a pessimistic one of your own. Get a grip!
Every time someone contributes a vaguely optimistic message you just have to counter it with a pessimistic one of your own. Get a grip!
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I think IFR has got it about right, the industry at present is in deep crisis, but it can and will recover. It is a matter of simple economics using the firing and hiring of airline staff and disposal of aging assets as a quick, yet easily recoverable financial buffer.
Some of the larger operators were showing signs of strain prior to these attrocities, their older aircraft proving expensive to operate, and causing them to re-examine their future strategies which until now were to modernise and expand their capabilities. The huge interest in the A380 ably demonstrated that. Until 10 days ago the big operators were thinking expansion and had done the market research to confirm this, despite a small forecast profit shortfall. So, why should everything become so black, so quickly, post the WTC terrorism? Money! Shares are in free fall, insurance is rocketing, and consumer confidence (bums on seats)is understandably low. What shrewd accountant would not take the opportunity to slash costs by removing aging aircraft, cutting routes and laying off staff, making swingeing cuts to save money whilst the industry is in chaos. Accountants would call it prudent. What has he got to lose, less routes means more bums on seats per aircraft, seats can be sold at premium prices and all done with a much reduced wages bill. Better still, over estimate the cuts required to maximise savings. The only people to be affected are those poor unfortunates who are laid off and the consumer.
What happens when consumer confidence returns? And it will, when recent events begin to recede in peoples minds, foreign holidays, business travel and the sheer convenience of air travel, which we have all enjoyed and taken for granted, will cause consumer demand to return to a more sensible level. There will be a steady re-employing of many of those thousands laid off to cover schedule re-expansion. Natural wastage within that group and those still in the industry, will still create the demand for new staff to continue to be trained.
The financial markets will dictate the speed of recovery, more than consumer confidence. The stupidity of the knee jerk reaction displayed by those institutions at the restart of Wall St trading cannot continue. The world has not stopped, businesses will continue to trade, and if for no other reason than defiance the economics of our vital industry will recover. It is too big, and too crucial to modern life not to.
Now for WW3!!!!
Some of the larger operators were showing signs of strain prior to these attrocities, their older aircraft proving expensive to operate, and causing them to re-examine their future strategies which until now were to modernise and expand their capabilities. The huge interest in the A380 ably demonstrated that. Until 10 days ago the big operators were thinking expansion and had done the market research to confirm this, despite a small forecast profit shortfall. So, why should everything become so black, so quickly, post the WTC terrorism? Money! Shares are in free fall, insurance is rocketing, and consumer confidence (bums on seats)is understandably low. What shrewd accountant would not take the opportunity to slash costs by removing aging aircraft, cutting routes and laying off staff, making swingeing cuts to save money whilst the industry is in chaos. Accountants would call it prudent. What has he got to lose, less routes means more bums on seats per aircraft, seats can be sold at premium prices and all done with a much reduced wages bill. Better still, over estimate the cuts required to maximise savings. The only people to be affected are those poor unfortunates who are laid off and the consumer.
What happens when consumer confidence returns? And it will, when recent events begin to recede in peoples minds, foreign holidays, business travel and the sheer convenience of air travel, which we have all enjoyed and taken for granted, will cause consumer demand to return to a more sensible level. There will be a steady re-employing of many of those thousands laid off to cover schedule re-expansion. Natural wastage within that group and those still in the industry, will still create the demand for new staff to continue to be trained.
The financial markets will dictate the speed of recovery, more than consumer confidence. The stupidity of the knee jerk reaction displayed by those institutions at the restart of Wall St trading cannot continue. The world has not stopped, businesses will continue to trade, and if for no other reason than defiance the economics of our vital industry will recover. It is too big, and too crucial to modern life not to.
Now for WW3!!!!
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Spot on! An excellent analysis. The only questions really are: how long will we have to wait for the inevitable recovery, and what effect will dramatically increased insurance rates have on the low-hour pilot market?
Sit on your hands, folks, for a while. Don't do anything too hastily, and wait and see what happens.
Spot on! An excellent analysis. The only questions really are: how long will we have to wait for the inevitable recovery, and what effect will dramatically increased insurance rates have on the low-hour pilot market?
Sit on your hands, folks, for a while. Don't do anything too hastily, and wait and see what happens.
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Scroggs,
I disagree, it is the single worst disaster attributed to terrorism in the aviation world and previous wars etc pale in comparison. It will take years (if ever) it recovers.
IFR
I do not want to argue, I am simply putting across my point of view, freedom of speech I guess. I bow to your vast wealth of experience and hope that you are right.
CB, I have deleted your last sentence because it was uneccessary.
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I disagree, it is the single worst disaster attributed to terrorism in the aviation world and previous wars etc pale in comparison. It will take years (if ever) it recovers.
IFR
I do not want to argue, I am simply putting across my point of view, freedom of speech I guess. I bow to your vast wealth of experience and hope that you are right.
CB, I have deleted your last sentence because it was uneccessary.
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Funny thing is - I got an application form in the post this morning!!
I sent them a CV months ago, in fact I'd forgotten about it really, came as a shock I must say.
I know that competition for places is going to be much tougher, especially for low timers like yours truly, but opportunities are still there.
Keep on pushing
I sent them a CV months ago, in fact I'd forgotten about it really, came as a shock I must say.
I know that competition for places is going to be much tougher, especially for low timers like yours truly, but opportunities are still there.
Keep on pushing
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OK that's it you guys!
I started this thread in an air of uncertainty and worry for a vast number of people for whom I have a genuine concern.
Both CB and BF2 have bought personal unrelated problems into it which are unacceptable. It would be appreciated if you both erase your posts above this one, and if you then want to continue in the debate please do so.
If, however, you wish to continue to abuse each other please do so OFF this thread.
I started this thread in an air of uncertainty and worry for a vast number of people for whom I have a genuine concern.
Both CB and BF2 have bought personal unrelated problems into it which are unacceptable. It would be appreciated if you both erase your posts above this one, and if you then want to continue in the debate please do so.
If, however, you wish to continue to abuse each other please do so OFF this thread.
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BillyFish, I don't know your and Crash Barrier's history, as I don't read much in the wannabe forum. But I for one agree with Crash Barrier.
This can not be compared to any of the disasters of the past. The Gulf war ended and that was that. This will never end. Even the CEO of British Airways has been so... well you decide, as to say "What we've seen in New York, the terrible tragedy in New York, may just be the first step in a longer campaign" - i.e terrorist will continue to crash planes into buildings (why don't he start looking for a new job already? CNN). How do you think that will affect the passengers perception of the security??
Furthermore, it will probably be more expensive to fly because of increased costs for better security, increased fuel prices and aircraft insurances. We have neither yet seen what lawsuits may arise from the disaster.
Add to all of the above, the increased traveling times, uncomfortableness and the risk of being arrested if a "smart" remark accidently slips (people tend to say stupid things if asked over and over again what is in their bags - clever? Something that you should go to jail for for 6 month?).
I think that aviation industry is in for the downturn of the history. Sad to say. People will re-prioritise, and find other ways of communicating (webcam?), spend hollidays at home or take their cars etc. etc.
I think it's sound advice to people with pilot dreams, to wait to see the upturn happening, if ever. Take a PPL instead and enjoy leisure flying.
What might take an upturn could be business, taxi and charter flights. Only yourself and people from your company = no terrorists.
This can not be compared to any of the disasters of the past. The Gulf war ended and that was that. This will never end. Even the CEO of British Airways has been so... well you decide, as to say "What we've seen in New York, the terrible tragedy in New York, may just be the first step in a longer campaign" - i.e terrorist will continue to crash planes into buildings (why don't he start looking for a new job already? CNN). How do you think that will affect the passengers perception of the security??
Furthermore, it will probably be more expensive to fly because of increased costs for better security, increased fuel prices and aircraft insurances. We have neither yet seen what lawsuits may arise from the disaster.
Add to all of the above, the increased traveling times, uncomfortableness and the risk of being arrested if a "smart" remark accidently slips (people tend to say stupid things if asked over and over again what is in their bags - clever? Something that you should go to jail for for 6 month?).
I think that aviation industry is in for the downturn of the history. Sad to say. People will re-prioritise, and find other ways of communicating (webcam?), spend hollidays at home or take their cars etc. etc.
I think it's sound advice to people with pilot dreams, to wait to see the upturn happening, if ever. Take a PPL instead and enjoy leisure flying.
What might take an upturn could be business, taxi and charter flights. Only yourself and people from your company = no terrorists.
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WW2, Korea and Vietnam were all far bigger than the campaign you will see between the world and the terrorist, with much greater effects on economic and human activity. Throughout, aviation continued and even prospered.
The events of 11th September do not compare to any of the above events in history. The loss of confidence has been profound and sudden, unlike the slower unfolding of events in those wars. Nevertheless, appropriate action will be taken to restore confidence and, as long as personal wealth contines to increase (and it will), passengers will return to the airlines. The historical trend of ever-increasing air traffic will eventually resume until and unless the world gets fed up with going on holiday, or moving freight, or we all get our own home holodecks.
If you want to give up, you are of course at liberty to do that, but your logic in doing so because of this one event is no better than that of the passengers who now don't want to fly, yet get in a car every day.
The events of 11th September do not compare to any of the above events in history. The loss of confidence has been profound and sudden, unlike the slower unfolding of events in those wars. Nevertheless, appropriate action will be taken to restore confidence and, as long as personal wealth contines to increase (and it will), passengers will return to the airlines. The historical trend of ever-increasing air traffic will eventually resume until and unless the world gets fed up with going on holiday, or moving freight, or we all get our own home holodecks.
If you want to give up, you are of course at liberty to do that, but your logic in doing so because of this one event is no better than that of the passengers who now don't want to fly, yet get in a car every day.
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Absolutely right Scroggs.
Things will get better as they have in the past.
Another example which has not been mentioned is PanAm Lockerbie.
For months transatlantic routes had virtualy no takers whatsoever. Passengers slowly came back and confidence returned. Pan Am did'nt make it, but there were other factors in their demise.
It may look pretty tough at the moment but we have to think positive!
Things will get better as they have in the past.
Another example which has not been mentioned is PanAm Lockerbie.
For months transatlantic routes had virtualy no takers whatsoever. Passengers slowly came back and confidence returned. Pan Am did'nt make it, but there were other factors in their demise.
It may look pretty tough at the moment but we have to think positive!
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Things will get worse soon, I guess it all comes down to how much faith you have.
These terrorists are so well organised, do you not think that they will have anticipated an American response, and will have the next act ready to go?
Never give up on something you want, it might be prudent to wait and see, but things will improve, there will be jobs again. IFR is correct in that respect.
I still have a collection of over 500 rejection letters in the loft, every one of them hurt, just be patient.
These terrorists are so well organised, do you not think that they will have anticipated an American response, and will have the next act ready to go?
Never give up on something you want, it might be prudent to wait and see, but things will improve, there will be jobs again. IFR is correct in that respect.
I still have a collection of over 500 rejection letters in the loft, every one of them hurt, just be patient.
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Scroggs, why on earth would I give up my job they will have to carry my away! 
This is just advice to the young ones. Of course things will pick up at some point. The question they have to ask themselves is, can I pay off my 50k+ £ debt, if I have to wait 5 years before getting a job?
This is just advice to the young ones. Of course things will pick up at some point. The question they have to ask themselves is, can I pay off my 50k+ £ debt, if I have to wait 5 years before getting a job?
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Whilst recent events would turn the aviation cyle upside down at any stage,a lot of these jobs were going anyway.
I'm surprised we had it so good for so long lately.
As Rod said,B.A's response is based on gulf war lessons.They,like many other monoliths,were in the middle of streamlining measures anyway.The extra loses,over and above what was already planned,may well be re'absorbed in the short term.
Yes Crash Barrier,things are really bad after this awful event,but may not be as bad as you and the Airlines are making out.At least not for the middle term.
The Airlines are making their case as we speak to national and E.U government.They're Looking for cash,or by any other name,to throw after some carriers which should not survive anyway.
The insurance costs and increased security are a red herring.The insurance companies will still insure the carriers,but will limit third party terrorist exposure to $50M.With talk of government underwriting another unlikley event,the headlines today of grounded aircraft next tuesday are as o.t.t as the doomsayers here.Insurance costs have never been a burden and are allways passed onto the pax.
Security in the E.U is as good as it gets,and has been since Lockerbie.Can't see much more increased costs here that cannot be absorbed by Airlines,airport operators and local government.
Most airlines will have hedged their fuel costs also.
The net effect will be slightly increased fares,and none of this will stop me going on hol's next summer.
For wannabes,this will take 2/3 yrs to come around.It's been coming anyhow's.
Chins up!
I'm surprised we had it so good for so long lately.
As Rod said,B.A's response is based on gulf war lessons.They,like many other monoliths,were in the middle of streamlining measures anyway.The extra loses,over and above what was already planned,may well be re'absorbed in the short term.
Yes Crash Barrier,things are really bad after this awful event,but may not be as bad as you and the Airlines are making out.At least not for the middle term.
The Airlines are making their case as we speak to national and E.U government.They're Looking for cash,or by any other name,to throw after some carriers which should not survive anyway.
The insurance costs and increased security are a red herring.The insurance companies will still insure the carriers,but will limit third party terrorist exposure to $50M.With talk of government underwriting another unlikley event,the headlines today of grounded aircraft next tuesday are as o.t.t as the doomsayers here.Insurance costs have never been a burden and are allways passed onto the pax.
Security in the E.U is as good as it gets,and has been since Lockerbie.Can't see much more increased costs here that cannot be absorbed by Airlines,airport operators and local government.
Most airlines will have hedged their fuel costs also.
The net effect will be slightly increased fares,and none of this will stop me going on hol's next summer.
For wannabes,this will take 2/3 yrs to come around.It's been coming anyhow's.
Chins up!
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Don't worry people that will be the last of Osama Airlines. There will be plenty of jobs in the not to distant future.
The reasons are:
1)People cannot drive over large distances all their lives. Remember air travel reduces "time".
2)People have friends, family, relatives and business associates across vast distances, whom they have to meet at some point in time (Christmas, thanks giving, easter, holidays, overseas business meetings etc......
3)All airlines will adopt stringent security measures at airports and on flights. A good example is Israeli airports where they use decompression chambers to detonate hidden bombs in bagage. Also El Al Airlines have long used under cover anti-terrorist agents on all flights to combat Palistinian terrorists. All Israelis turn up 3 hours before their flight. USA now hires airmarshalls and as we have seen, US passengers are required to turn up 3 hours early for screening.
I think people will get over this disaster after 1-2 years. For the time being people should continue their flight training and build up their hours. One thing is for sure in this industry, consistency and persistance will eventually pay off.
The reasons are:
1)People cannot drive over large distances all their lives. Remember air travel reduces "time".
2)People have friends, family, relatives and business associates across vast distances, whom they have to meet at some point in time (Christmas, thanks giving, easter, holidays, overseas business meetings etc......
3)All airlines will adopt stringent security measures at airports and on flights. A good example is Israeli airports where they use decompression chambers to detonate hidden bombs in bagage. Also El Al Airlines have long used under cover anti-terrorist agents on all flights to combat Palistinian terrorists. All Israelis turn up 3 hours before their flight. USA now hires airmarshalls and as we have seen, US passengers are required to turn up 3 hours early for screening.
I think people will get over this disaster after 1-2 years. For the time being people should continue their flight training and build up their hours. One thing is for sure in this industry, consistency and persistance will eventually pay off.